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Menzinger said:
That sounds fine to me.

If his guesses are correct, they'll have a decent amount of cash to play around with in free agency. Muzzin apparently is one of the biggest leaders in the team. Can see a reluctance to trade him
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If you don't include trading Muzzin, it will be around 21.25 mill to re-sign Engvall, Kase, Liljegren, and Sandin, bring in 3 4th liners, a 13th forward, a 7th defenseman, Kerfoot's replacement, Holl's replacement, and 2 goalies.

Other than the starting goalie and maybe a top 9 forward to replace Kerfoot, you are not looking at any acquisitions which should exceed 2 mill on the cap next year.
 
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Keep thinking about Blackwood. It's rare for a young guy, who is trending toward being a good starter, to be available.

I'd go for Blackwood and Georgiev as a tandem next year. Two guys on the verge of being solid (Georgiev a solid backup/1B-ish guy). I think we have the trade assets to pull this off.

Total cost: 2.8 + 2.4* = 5.2 mil

*I know Georgiev is an RFA, but he's not going to get that much more than this
 
If the leafs trade Muzzin they likely will be worse as a team come playoff times.

I get wanting to move him while he has value and he is getting older etc. However if the idea is to win I dont think he is moved without a bona-fide top 4 LD coming back in a separate trade/signing who can play good defensive hockey.
 
Stigma said:
Keep thinking about Blackwood. It's rare for a young guy, who is trending toward being a good starter, to be available.

I'd go for Blackwood and Georgiev as a tandem next year. Two guys on the verge of being solid (Georgiev a solid backup/1B-ish guy). I think we have the trade assets to pull this off.

Total cost: 2.8 + 2.4* = 5.2 mil

*I know Georgiev is an RFA, but he's not going to get that much more than this
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Leafs liked Georgiev a lot before they ended up with Campbell but the price the Rangers were asking was absurd. I'm not sure how better he is compared to Campbell either. He's 4-5 years younger so that's a big plus but his last few years have been really regressing to bad levels... especially on a better team.

Blackwood to me feels like a really good buy low option... but I'm not sure the Devils will sell low despite that.

Not sure about trading for 2 goaltenders that are considered decently well valued, especially Blackwood. The assets it would take would be a lot. Trading for one seems fine, but the other goaltender will probably be a signing.

After the Mrazek blunder, the Leafs need to really hit a home run with their goaltending though. Campbell may not be perfect but he played well for long stretches. It could be worse. I think his constant injuries is something the Leafs really didn't like.
 
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SprDaVE said:
Leafs liked Georgiev a lot before they ended up with Campbell but the price the Rangers were asking was absurd. I'm not sure how better he is compared to Campbell either. He's 4-5 years younger so that's a big plus but his last few years have been really regressing to bad levels... especially on a better team.

Blackwood to me feels like a really good buy low option... but I'm not sure the Devils will sell low despite that.

Not sure about trading for 2 goaltenders that are considered decently well valued, especially Blackwood. The assets it would take would be a lot. Trading for one seems fine, but the other goaltender will probably be a signing.

After the Mrazek blunder, the Leafs need to really hit a home run with their goaltending though. Campbell may not be perfect but he played well for long stretches. It could be worse. I think his constant injuries is something the Leafs really didn't like.
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I thought Devils would be one of the teams interested in Muzzin
Maybe something like Muzzin and prospect for Blackwood and McLeod
 
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SprDaVE said:
Leafs liked Georgiev a lot before they ended up with Campbell but the price the Rangers were asking was absurd. I'm not sure how better he is compared to Campbell either. He's 4-5 years younger so that's a big plus but his last few years have been really regressing to bad levels... especially on a better team.

Blackwood to me feels like a really good buy low option... but I'm not sure the Devils will sell low despite that.

Not sure about trading for 2 goaltenders that are considered decently well valued, especially Blackwood. The assets it would take would be a lot. Trading for one seems fine, but the other goaltender will probably be a signing.

After the Mrazek blunder, the Leafs need to really hit a home run with their goaltending though. Campbell may not be perfect but he played well for long stretches. It could be worse. I think his constant injuries is something the Leafs really didn't like.
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Yeah, good points. Trading for 2 may be too much. But, then again, if the price is right, it may be a good (but risky) move.

Blackwood would be my preference, but Georgiev as a 1-B or high-end backup (with another goalie signed in FA) is okay with me too.
 
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Stigma said:
Yeah, good points. Trading for 2 may be too much. But, then again, if the price is right, it may be a good (but risky) move.

Blackwood would be my preference, but Georgiev as a 1-B or high-end backup (with another goalie signed in FA) is okay with me too.
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I feel like the Leafs will want to trade for a 1A and or starter and sign a 1B/backup if Mrazek goes the other way.
 
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The thought of gambling on a goalie at this stage is a risk not worth taking. Just bring back soup and move out what you need to aka kerfoot to make the math work. You cant go bargain shopping in this market on a goalie
 
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Rude Dog said:
The thought of gambling on a goalie at this stage is a risk not worth taking. Just bring back soup and move out what you need to aka kerfoot to make the math work. You cant go bargain shopping in this market on a goalie
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That seems more of a gamble than just changing it out completely
 
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I know he struggled badly with the Coyotes, but I still think Harri Sateri might be someone the Leafs bring as a veteran goaltender for the Marlies. I also don't think it's impossible they go for a strong #1 goaltender and have Kallgren and Woll battle it out for the back-up role.

Kallgren and Woll are still waiver exempt though, so perhaps not a bad idea to look for a back-up as well.

I really don't think they need to overspend on goaltending despite what people think.
 
I realize that Tavares is 99.999% going to refuse to leave, but I think the Leafs need to work on that 0.001%. If you want a change to the core, that's the change you make.

I don't dislike Tavares at all, but we could round out the lineup better by redistributing that money. Consider:

Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Forsberg (7-8M) - Nylander - E. Kane (~6.5M)

Where Kane gets remainder of Tavares money + Kerfoot's money.
 
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SprDaVE said:
I know he struggled badly with the Coyotes, but I still think Harri Sateri might be someone the Leafs bring as a veteran goaltender for the Marlies. I also don't think it's impossible they go for a strong #1 goaltender and have Kallgren and Woll battle it out for the back-up role.

Kallgren and Woll are still waiver exempt though, so perhaps not a bad idea to look for a back-up as well.

I really don't think they need to overspend on goaltending despite what people think.
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I don't think the Leafs are worried about the Marlies. It will likely be Kallgren, Woll, and Petruzzelli as the 3 rotating goalies. McKay as the Growlers starter. Who knows with Scott at this point; he may just retire.

It will come down to whether the Leafs do a 1A-Mrazek/1B tandem again or a legit starter with a cheaper backup than Mrazek. I don't think the Leafs are paying to dump Mrazek at this point.
 
SeaOfBlue said:
I don't think the Leafs are worried about the Marlies. It will likely be Kallgren, Woll, and Petruzzelli as the 3 rotating goalies. McKay as the Growlers starter. Who knows with Scott at this point; he may just retire.

It will come down to whether the Leafs do a 1A-Mrazek/1B tandem again or a legit starter with a cheaper backup than Mrazek. I don't think the Leafs are paying to dump Mrazek at this point.
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How much is a Mrazek buyout this year? Pretty close to the retention on Kessel contract that is coming off the books?

Edit: i feel like having Mrazek on the books at 3.8 aav will make any goalie we bring in more expensive
 
Ziggdiezan said:
How much is a Mrazek buyout this year? Pretty close to the retention on Kessel contract that is coming off the books?

Edit: i feel like having Mrazek on the books at 3.8 aav will make any goalie we bring in more expensive
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I don't think the Leafs seriously consider a buyout for him, and I don't think having him on the books vs. off of the books is going to make any difference for what players ask from us. They will use that contract, and the contracts of other teams, all the same.

I think the general sentiment around Leafs fans is that he is just going to continue being an .890 goalie going forward. I don't think Leafs management shares that same sentiment. I think they still value him like a reliable .910 tandem starter, which means they also think he makes appropriate money, so short of completely changing the dynamic of the goaltending from 1A/1B back to a starter-backup system, having major concerns about Mrazek's groin injuries this past year, or simply getting an offer they can't refuse from another team, then I think they are more than fine keeping Mrazek on this team next year.

His buyout cap hit for this year would be 1.1 mill effectively. You are likely looking at 2 mill to get even a mediocre reliable veteran backup in UFA, so you are realistically looking at maybe 750k in cap savings between his dead cap and finding a suitable replacement for Mrazek. However, you also have the dead cap for 3 years after that too, and you have no guarantees that the replacement you bring in doesn't end up sucking just as bad as Mrazek... I mean Mrazek had a fairly clean bill of health and has had a fairly steady and reliable career as a 1B. If he can suddenly suffer from 12 weeks of groin injuries without any prior history, and have his save percentage drop 20 points from his usual, why can't anyone else we bring in?

It makes more sense for the Leafs to run with Mrazek and if he completely sucks or gets hurt again, the Leafs have Woll and Kallgren in the wings to potentially step up and take over just like they did this year or they have to pay another mid-round pick at the TDL. Then next year, it is only 800k in dead cap plus another 1.4 mill the year after if we want to buy him out, or it is only 1 year of a contract we need to move, which is probably a lot easier than finding a taker for 2 years assuming nobody wants him right now.
 
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Ziggdiezan said:
How much is a Mrazek buyout this year? Pretty close to the retention on Kessel contract that is coming off the books?

Edit: i feel like having Mrazek on the books at 3.8 aav will make any goalie we bring in more expensive
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If they buyout this summer, it's 4 years of dead money (until 2026). It isn't high dead money, but dead money into the Matthews/Marner re-signings is a non-starter to me. The last 2 years are 1.43M cap hits.

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If the Leafs can't find a single taker for Mrazek this off-season, the Leafs should really just waive him and keep him for at least 1 more season and hope he rebounds. Alternatively, they could retain ~1M on Mrazek and hope that makes people want him more. Retention in this case is so much better than a buyout.

His buyout NEXT off-season (2023) is better. The dead money is only until 2025 (2 years), but the last year is 1.46M as well... which is still not great.

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Ziggdiezan said:
How much is a Mrazek buyout this year? Pretty close to the retention on Kessel contract that is coming off the books?

Edit: i feel like having Mrazek on the books at 3.8 aav will make any goalie we bring in more expensive
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Can't see them buying him out.
At worse he gives them a little leverage over Campbell.
 
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