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TheShape said:
While not a priority, I'd like a 3rd line C with some higher offensive upside. Someone capable of sliding into 2C if needed.
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Tierney could be a solid option for 3C. Re-sign Mikheyev and promote Steeves after a very solid rookie AHL season.

Steeves - Tierney - Mikheyev

Sign Cousins and re-sign Blackwell as well.

Cousins - Kampf - Blackwell
 
Legion34 said:
I guess I’m confused. Dubas traded a top 10 protected pick and chose to sign kappy and Johnson. The pick was expected to be in the 20s. But then the pandemic and the draft etc happen

Then the leafs pick is 13. He trades kappy for 15th Hollander and Rodrigues.


You don’t think that 1 year of marleau and the 13th is worth 1 year of kappy and Johnson. And the 15th Hollander and Joey Anderson and Rodrigues?

We traded down 2 spots to get 2 better players for a year. Hollander and Anderson



I don’t care about lou. But I do think it’s funny that he let go of trots so that people wouldn’t take lambert.

Kinda like how shanny let go of him to keep diva s
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I don't think Lou is a great GM now but just a point blank Lou's a terrible GM comment?

He was at worse average with us and his tenure with the devils made him a hall if famer

He's 80 now and yeah dude should retire, but he's not Jim Benning type clown. He delayed the Islanders rebuild 3 years and got 6 series wins which was more than the isles had in the 10 years before that so definitely did some good.

Dubas ultimately is going up in down with the ship

The teal big 3 for the leafs is Shanny/Dubas/Keefe. These three will ride it out together. If they succeed amazing if not they'll go down all at once, with none of them being able to pass blame to any of the others
 
hamzarocks said:
I don't think Lou is a great GM now but just a point blank Lou's a terrible GM comment?

He was at worse average with us and his tenure with the devils made him a hall if famer

He's 80 now and yeah dude should retire, but he's not Jim Benning type clown. He delayed the Islanders rebuild 3 years and got 6 series wins which was more than the isles had in the 10 years before that so definitely did some good.

Dubas ultimately is going up in down with the ship

The teal big 3 for the leafs is Shanny/Dubas/Keefe. These three will ride it out together. If they succeed amazing if not they'll go down all at once, with none of them being able to pass blame to any of the others
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I don’t think lou is terrible.
I don’t like how close the 3 amigos are. I personally would like trots here only because the leafs are the closest to Washington and he got it done with them. Dubas won’t fire keefe.

Of course if Matty likes keefe then keep him happy.

I just find it funny that there was a faction that didn’t like how shanny let go of lou to keep the younger asset.

But lou literally did the same thing.
 
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I’m playing NHL22 fantasy mode here lol



To Toronto: Necas + Pesce
To Carolina: Nylander + Holl

To Toronto: Bertuzzi + DET 3rd 2022
To Detroit: Kerfoot + Muzzin + Robertson

To Toronto: Gibson
To Anaheim: TOR 1st 2023

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UFA Re-Signing: Ilya Mikheyev + Mark Giordano
UFA Signing: Chris Tierney + Nick Cousins + Martin Jones

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Line-up:
Bunting(0.95) -Matthews(11.64) -Marner(10.9)
Bertuzzi(4.75) -Tavares(11) -Necas(4)
Steeves(0.84) -Tierney(1.75) -Mikheyev (2.75)
Engvall(1.5) -Kampf(1.5) -Cousins(1.25)

Rielly(7.5) -Pesce(4.03)
Sandin(1.5) -Brodie(5)
Giordano(1) -Liljegren(2)

Gibson(6.4)
Jones(1)

80.26
1.24 in cap space
 
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I think the rangers are not sold on Lafreniere personally I think next year will be his breakout year.

How about nylander for lafreniere
 
Bigmarycombo said:
I think the rangers are not sold on Lafreniere personally I think next year will be his breakout year.

How about nylander for lafreniere
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Nylanderthal said:
I understand feeling that way about mango, but what more would you have wanted out of kap than what he got? 15OA + hallander
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I was actually surprised we got that much for Kapanen. I thought we should get either a first or a second+ a prospect. It was a great trade by Dubas, but a year too late IMO.
 
Legion34 said:
I guess I’m confused. Dubas traded a top 10 protected pick and chose to sign kappy and Johnson. The pick was expected to be in the 20s. But then the pandemic and the draft etc happen

Then the leafs pick is 13. He trades kappy for 15th Hollander and Rodrigues.


You don’t think that 1 year of marleau and the 13th is worth 1 year of kappy and Johnson. And the 15th Hollander and Joey Anderson and Rodrigues?

We traded down 2 spots to get 2 better players for a year. Hollander and Anderson
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If we traded them as RFAs, I thought we could have got at least a 1st and a 2nd, plus the 1st we didn't give up.

Nylanderthal said:
Marleau isn’t part of the equation, he was being move regardless, or does that not help your narrative?
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The whole point was that we didn't pay to move Marleau. With Kapanen and Johnsson gone, we didn't have the cap pressure to give teams leverage against us. If it was still going to cost us, then don't move him. He can retire if he wants, but he'd come back for the money.
 
Dreakmur said:
If we traded them as RFAs, I thought we could have got at least a 1st and a 2nd, plus the 1st we didn't give up.



The whole point was that we didn't pay to move Marleau. With Kapanen and Johnsson gone, we didn't have the cap pressure to give teams leverage against us. If it was still going to cost us, then don't move him. He can retire if he wants, but he'd come back for the money.
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Unlikely. The compensation for those players as RFA was a 2nd each. Why would you pay an extra first. They could have just signed sheets?
 
Dreakmur said:
If we traded them as RFAs, I thought we could have got at least a 1st and a 2nd, plus the 1st we didn't give up.



The whole point was that we didn't pay to move Marleau. With Kapanen and Johnsson gone, we didn't have the cap pressure to give teams leverage against us. If it was still going to cost us, then don't move him. He can retire if he wants, but he'd come back for the money.
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So then hang 6.25m of dead cap space on a cap ceiling team that’s trying to compete, while alienating yourself in the second year on the job by screwing over a living legend?
 
Nylanderthal said:
So then hang 6.25m of dead cap space on a cap ceiling team that’s trying to compete, while alienating yourself in the second year on the job by screwing over a living legend?
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It's not screwing somebody over to refuse to pay a ransom to accommodate them. Try to move him if it makes sense, but there's no reason to pay a huge price to do somebody else a favour.... unless you're in cap trouble....
 
I went back a few pages didn't see any info on this. Johnston was on the SDPN podcast. There wasn't much big info but:

-Thinks the 4 forwards will be back but they will look at the market and see what happens. It's way too early.

-Goaltending likely different. It will be the focus.

-Mentions 2023 will be huge for the Leafs with Matthews. So there will be a lot of urgency from the Leafs there.

-Mentions how Stamkos just had his best point season and he's a year older than JT. Not worried about JT. It's possible they look at moving to the wing but it's not really something overly important.

-Doubtful they trade their 1st round by the draft. Seems like they prioritized keeping it at the deadline, likely the same.

-He gave his best guess (and he did say they were pure guesses from feelings) as to who is staying, who is leaving:
  • Blackwell not sure
  • Campbell leaving -- Think he's asking/getting at least 5M.
  • Giordano staying
  • Holl leaving
  • Kerfoot leaving
  • Lyubushkin not sure
  • Mikheyev leaving
  • Mrazek leaving
  • Muzzin likely staying, Leafs like him a lot but a very hard decision for the Leafs
  • Simmonds staying but as a spare
  • Spezza staying but not as a player
 
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SprDaVE said:
I went back a few pages didn't see any info on this. Johnston was on the SDPN podcast. There wasn't much big info but:

-Thinks the 4 forwards will be back but they will look at the market and see what happens. It's way too early.

-Goaltending likely different. It will be the focus.

-Mentions 2023 will be huge for the Leafs with Matthews. So there will be a lot of urgency from the Leafs there.

-Mentions how Stamkos just had his best point season and he's a year older than JT. Not worried about JT. It's possible they look at moving to the wing but it's not really something overly important.

-Doubtful they trade their 1st round by the draft. Seems like they prioritized keeping it at the deadline, likely the same.

-He gave his best guess (and he did say they were pure guesses from feelings) as to who is staying, who is leaving:
  • Blackwell not sure
  • Campbell leaving -- Think he's asking/getting at least 5M.
  • Giordano staying
  • Holl leaving
  • Kerfoot leaving
  • Lyubushkin not sure
  • Mikheyev leaving
  • Mrazek leaving
  • Muzzin likely staying, Leafs like him a lot but a very hardest decision for the Leafs
  • Simmonds staying but as a spare
  • Spezza staying but not as a player
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Sounds reasonable, I’d prioritize moving Muzz especially when he looked good in the playoffs. Maybe he’ll waive for a situation that’s still close to home (Detroit Columbus) or a familiar region (ducks kings) all could use a short term top 4LD solution while their group come together.
I’d keep boosh if he can come in between his current aav and Holls
 
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Brad Treliving has assembled a very solid team for Calgary. Deep at F. Big D with a few solid puck movers and a number 1 goaltender. They can win it this year.
 
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SprDaVE said:
I went back a few pages didn't see any info on this. Johnston was on the SDPN podcast. There wasn't much big info but:

-Thinks the 4 forwards will be back but they will look at the market and see what happens. It's way too early.

-Goaltending likely different. It will be the focus.

-Mentions 2023 will be huge for the Leafs with Matthews. So there will be a lot of urgency from the Leafs there.

-Mentions how Stamkos just had his best point season and he's a year older than JT. Not worried about JT. It's possible they look at moving to the wing but it's not really something overly important.

-Doubtful they trade their 1st round by the draft. Seems like they prioritized keeping it at the deadline, likely the same.

-He gave his best guess (and he did say they were pure guesses from feelings) as to who is staying, who is leaving:
  • Blackwell not sure
  • Campbell leaving -- Think he's asking/getting at least 5M.
  • Giordano staying
  • Holl leaving
  • Kerfoot leaving
  • Lyubushkin not sure
  • Mikheyev leaving
  • Mrazek leaving
  • Muzzin likely staying, Leafs like him a lot but a very hard decision for the Leafs
  • Simmonds staying but as a spare
  • Spezza staying but not as a player
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That sounds fine to me.

If his guesses are correct, they'll have a decent amount of cash to play around with in free agency. Muzzin apparently is one of the biggest leaders in the team. Can see a reluctance to trade him
 
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SprDaVE said:
I went back a few pages didn't see any info on this. Johnston was on the SDPN podcast. There wasn't much big info but:

-Thinks the 4 forwards will be back but they will look at the market and see what happens. It's way too early.

-Goaltending likely different. It will be the focus.

-Mentions 2023 will be huge for the Leafs with Matthews. So there will be a lot of urgency from the Leafs there.

-Mentions how Stamkos just had his best point season and he's a year older than JT. Not worried about JT. It's possible they look at moving to the wing but it's not really something overly important.

-Doubtful they trade their 1st round by the draft. Seems like they prioritized keeping it at the deadline, likely the same.

-He gave his best guess (and he did say they were pure guesses from feelings) as to who is staying, who is leaving:
  • Blackwell not sure
  • Campbell leaving -- Think he's asking/getting at least 5M.
  • Giordano staying
  • Holl leaving
  • Kerfoot leaving
  • Lyubushkin not sure
  • Mikheyev leaving
  • Mrazek leaving
  • Muzzin likely staying, Leafs like him a lot but a very hard decision for the Leafs
  • Simmonds staying but as a spare
  • Spezza staying but not as a player
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I think Lyubushkin likes Arizona. Not sure if that changes with their arena situation, but I think he was good with going back before that happened. I don't see Holl leaving unless they have a suitable replacement in place (whether that is Lyubushkin or someone else).

I can see Blackwell going to Boston. He would be a good fit for their 4th line and that is a homecoming for him. I don't see the Leafs keeping him. I feel like the Leafs are confident Joey Anderson is capable of replacing or even upgrading him.

Easy to move on from Campbell at that price. Even with a good playoffs, he wasn't worth 5 mill. A sub .900 playoffs and a roller coaster starting resume makes it even easier. I imagine if the Leafs are moving Mrazek, it means they are targeting a trade for a starter with Mrazek going the other way or Mrazek wants a fresh start and the Leafs think they can do that for him with a deal that makes sense for him.

I don't think it is a tough choice to keep Muzzin this year. I don't think he wants to go anywhere, and he determines his destination right now anyways.

The rest is fairly standard. Mikheyev earned himself a nice contract that likely starts with a 4, and that is too much for us. Now is also a good time to capitalize on Kerfoot, even though we'd need to find a way to maintain our strong PK.
 
Dreakmur said:
Dubas' cap structure was always going to mean Kapanane and Johnsson can't stay, so trading them as inevitable. I thought they should trade them at their peak value.
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Again, quite revisionist

In what world would we expect their rookie and sophomore seasons to be their peak?
We had control over two young, promising RFAs, bridging them and letting them grow, and trading them if we needed to was only logical
 
uncleben said:
Again, quite revisionist

In what world would we expect their rookie and sophomore seasons to be their peak?
We had control over two young, promising RFAs, bridging them and letting them grow, and trading them if we needed to was only logical
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If I wasn’t saying it before the trade, I’d agree it was revisionist.
 
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