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Nylander to NJD for 2nd OV draft Cooley then sign Forsberg in free Agency is a dream scenario
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Nylander to NJD for 2nd OV draft Cooley then sign Forsberg in free Agency is a dream scenario
I'd trade Nylander for Yaroslav Askarov + 1st in 22.
Need to get a blue chip goaltender and the added cap space should be used to fill out the roster.
In a vacuum I agree with you. But as long as Dubas is here I'd rather see the pick traded for an impact player than used on another soft, small "skilled" player.
Plus the window is slowly closing. As soon as Matthews' contract is up it gets slammed shut.
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I'm not sure the Matthews contract bugs me that much. He re-signs, we just keep chugging along. I expect that to be the most obvious course. If he leaves it's probably the end of the Shanaplan and onto something different.
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I would do it.
It is a small step back for right now, and it sucks to lose Nylander, but that is worthwhile for us. We can even extend it to include Blackwood and Mrazek+ TBH.
If we are doing a futures deal, that is the only one we should realistically consider. Otherwise it has to be someone who is as impactful as Nylander, or two guys who are of similar age and only one tier down from Nylander in terms of impactfulness.
I would but I think New Jersey would try to get a player better than Nylander. Their forward core is already pretty soft as is. But oh man that Slovak kid would look nice in blue and white
If he stays he gets an even larger cap hit, making things even tighter. If he leaves for nothing the team is screwed. That's why I say spend the picks
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I'd like to see a cap re-structuring deal.
Nylander + prospect/pick for a #1 RHD.
They need to move some of the cap back to the defense and give Rielly a proper partner.
Nylander + prospect/pick for a #1 RHD.
They need to move some of the cap back to the defense and give Rielly a proper partner.
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Yep. That's the skill kid I'm intrigued by. Do you plug that type of fresh blood into the program at 18, double dip in UFA spending and just have a completely refreshed outlook? Juraj Slafkovsky is like Mikko Rantanen meets Andrei Svechnikov.
I mean there's not much that can be done by replacing Nylander's cap hit with an ELC. A guy like Forsberg would be perfect but he's going to cost at bare minimum $8.5m. Nylander's 6 and change would basically go to goaltending a funding a better bottom 6.
Slafkovsky is exactly what this team needs if he can play physical in the NHL. I just don't see New Jersey doing it.
Honestly I'd rather offer them Marner for #2 and Blackwood and maybe try to work in Severson as well.
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If Nylander is ever traded this summer, it would be so much easier to trade him for a big futures package. I just don't see any available defenseman that would make a 1 for 1 trade work.
Don't make a Hall for Larsson dumb trade just to force it.
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Yeah, you make the trade for cap relief and pure assets which can be used or traded for another piece somewhere else. The 1 for 1 battleship for battleship would be difficult to orchestrate.
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Yeah, it's only reasonable if there's a good defenseman available on the trade market. Otherwise, they should take the futures and re-structure the cap in other ways.
I think the main focus will be on Dubas and his mindset.
He needs to accept that sometimes hard decisions have to be made and that can include trading Nylander. He can't be married to these guys and continue making fringe changes.
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UFAs
- Mikeyhev - He'll be looking to get paid, he deserves it. No hard feelings with him. Will miss his versatility and two way play. Ideal scenario, Robertson is elevated to the team next year.
- Giordano - No idea what happens to him but if he can come back, I'd like to have him back. The Giordano-Liljegren line was great.
- Lybushkin - I'd be fine if he left. I don't think he was as good as some fans kept saying but he'd be a useful 7th Dman to have.
- Spezza - Don't know if he has an 82 game season in him but I think if he wants to come back he will and he's always been okay with being scratched for a few games for the good of the team.
- Blackwell - I liked him as a 4th liner. He'll probably leave to seek out more money and term given that he's 29. If not, I'd be fine with having him back on a 1-2 year deal.
- Campbell - I'd be fine with him back. He's earned a earned a spot on the team.
RFAs
- Engvall - Dunno if he comes back or not. Okay with either outcome as I think we have prospects in the system that can replace what he does. He's a good depth piece to have.
- Kase - I wouldn't be shocked if he retired, he's had 8 concussion in his career including one this year that caused him to miss two months. Shame too, he's a really good player when healthy. Just hope he has a good post-hockey life given his injuries.
- Sandin - Bring him back and give him a starting role or trade him. It's a waste of assets otherwise.
- Liljegren - Like Sandin but don't trade him. Good RHD are hard to find, and he's a good one. There's no reason we can't fit him in the starting lineup next year given that our right side is Brodie, Holl and Lybushkin.
Contracts Expiring Next Year
- Simmonds - Likely his last season. Don't think he plays a full 82.
- Justin Holl - I think he works best as a third pairing dman. He's been inconsistent this year but I think he brings more good to the team than bad despite him being the new whipping boy for the team.
- Kerfoot - Solid player for the team; had a rough playoff but judging him in the aggregate, he's been great. I imagine he'll finish out his contract here and then look to get paid on his next one. When he leaves, Kniesor Abruzzese will need to step up.
- Kampf - He's the low end of what I'd want from a 3C. Defensively he's great but if he's gonna be here long term he needs to be saddled with some good offensive players who give his line some scoring threat. He was great with Kase this year but Kase can't be relied upon due to his injuries.
Problem contracts
- Mrazek if he doesn't get back to his old form
- Tavares if he doesn't continue being at least a PPG player - The issue with Tavares is he still is effective but not worth his deal. He can't be traded for great assets because his NMC will limit where he can be traded and if you trade him you lose an effective, albeit overpaid, 2C and the team doesn't have any 2Cs in the pipeline.
- Potentially Muzzin. He had a great post season but he looked slow and ineffective at times during the regular season. Also has had injury issues the last few years.
Prospects that could make the team
- Knies - He's going back to college but the college season is over by April at the latest. Really compelling prospect due to his size and skill.
- Abruzzese - From the limited amount of time I watched him, I'd say he needs a season in the AHL.
- Robertson - He looks way too good to be in the AHL
Free Agents Available
- Probably a pipe dream but Vincent Trocheck is a UFA and if we could afford him would be a good fit. Pipe dream though. He'd give us a 1-2-3 center lineup down the middle that we had when Kadri and Tavares were here.
- Outside of Giordano and John Klingberg the Dmen free agents this year don't look too enticing and none of them are clear upgrades over what we have. I don't think we can afford Klinberg, he'll be looking to get paid.
- If you're gonna move on from Campbell, Kuemper is the most obvious target. He's older and more injury prone so if this is the solution, we'll need a really strong 1B goalie as well. It could even be Campbell/Kuemper tandem if you can get rid of Mrazek.
- Mikeyhev - He'll be looking to get paid, he deserves it. No hard feelings with him. Will miss his versatility and two way play. Ideal scenario, Robertson is elevated to the team next year.
- Giordano - No idea what happens to him but if he can come back, I'd like to have him back. The Giordano-Liljegren line was great.
- Lybushkin - I'd be fine if he left. I don't think he was as good as some fans kept saying but he'd be a useful 7th Dman to have.
- Spezza - Don't know if he has an 82 game season in him but I think if he wants to come back he will and he's always been okay with being scratched for a few games for the good of the team.
- Blackwell - I liked him as a 4th liner. He'll probably leave to seek out more money and term given that he's 29. If not, I'd be fine with having him back on a 1-2 year deal.
- Campbell - I'd be fine with him back. He's earned a earned a spot on the team.
RFAs
- Engvall - Dunno if he comes back or not. Okay with either outcome as I think we have prospects in the system that can replace what he does. He's a good depth piece to have.
- Kase - I wouldn't be shocked if he retired, he's had 8 concussion in his career including one this year that caused him to miss two months. Shame too, he's a really good player when healthy. Just hope he has a good post-hockey life given his injuries.
- Sandin - Bring him back and give him a starting role or trade him. It's a waste of assets otherwise.
- Liljegren - Like Sandin but don't trade him. Good RHD are hard to find, and he's a good one. There's no reason we can't fit him in the starting lineup next year given that our right side is Brodie, Holl and Lybushkin.
Contracts Expiring Next Year
- Simmonds - Likely his last season. Don't think he plays a full 82.
- Justin Holl - I think he works best as a third pairing dman. He's been inconsistent this year but I think he brings more good to the team than bad despite him being the new whipping boy for the team.
- Kerfoot - Solid player for the team; had a rough playoff but judging him in the aggregate, he's been great. I imagine he'll finish out his contract here and then look to get paid on his next one. When he leaves, Kniesor Abruzzese will need to step up.
- Kampf - He's the low end of what I'd want from a 3C. Defensively he's great but if he's gonna be here long term he needs to be saddled with some good offensive players who give his line some scoring threat. He was great with Kase this year but Kase can't be relied upon due to his injuries.
Problem contracts
- Mrazek if he doesn't get back to his old form
- Tavares if he doesn't continue being at least a PPG player - The issue with Tavares is he still is effective but not worth his deal. He can't be traded for great assets because his NMC will limit where he can be traded and if you trade him you lose an effective, albeit overpaid, 2C and the team doesn't have any 2Cs in the pipeline.
- Potentially Muzzin. He had a great post season but he looked slow and ineffective at times during the regular season. Also has had injury issues the last few years.
Prospects that could make the team
- Knies - He's going back to college but the college season is over by April at the latest. Really compelling prospect due to his size and skill.
- Abruzzese - From the limited amount of time I watched him, I'd say he needs a season in the AHL.
- Robertson - He looks way too good to be in the AHL
Free Agents Available
- Probably a pipe dream but Vincent Trocheck is a UFA and if we could afford him would be a good fit. Pipe dream though. He'd give us a 1-2-3 center lineup down the middle that we had when Kadri and Tavares were here.
- Outside of Giordano and John Klingberg the Dmen free agents this year don't look too enticing and none of them are clear upgrades over what we have. I don't think we can afford Klinberg, he'll be looking to get paid.
- If you're gonna move on from Campbell, Kuemper is the most obvious target. He's older and more injury prone so if this is the solution, we'll need a really strong 1B goalie as well. It could even be Campbell/Kuemper tandem if you can get rid of Mrazek.
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Solid break down.
I think Engvall is quite easily back. He was frustrating in the playoffs but he had a very good season overall that you just don't let that go. He shouldn't be expensive to keep either. Whatever line he was on, that line shined.
For my money, Kerfoot is almost certainly traded, very likely for some picks. Not because he's a bad player, but the Leafs have younger players coming up and his money could be used to be distributed into a different kind of player.
They need to figure out both Liljegren and Sandin in terms of where they fit moving forward. Sandin needs to take the next step but he always seems to struggle when he gets higher in the lineup. His skating is a big problem. But I also know you can't just sit them out ever again like that. They need to play. This is where it gets very complicated in keeping Giordano, Muzzin and/or Holl.
I'm fine with moving Sandin. Trade him and Nylander for a forward that plays playoff hockey. Keep Liljgren, he's slightly better and plays the rarer side
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You're being disingenuous now...Stamkos, Kucherov and Point...just because they took discounts doesn't mean they are lesser players...Stamkos had 106 points, and Kucherov had 69 points in 47 games...they are also the 2 time defending champions where Point put on a playoff scoring clinic last year.
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Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Robertson? - Tavares - Nylander
Engvall - Kampf - Kase?
Prospect - Spezza/UFA - Simmonds/Prospect
Rielly - Liljegren
Muzzin/Gio - Brodie
Sandin - Holl/Lyubushkin
Muzzin/Gio
NHL-ready Prospects: LW/RW Alex Steeves, RW Joey Anderson, C/LW/RW Pontus Holmberg, LW/C Nick Abruzzese, LW Nick Robertson
In terms of what the Marlies need that can also have ramifications on the Leafs' depth chart:
- A top 6 center who can challenge for Spezza's job as 4C alongside Holmberg and Abruzzese.
Candidates: Adam Brooks, Cedric Paquette, Riley Sheahan, Mark Jankowski, Dakota Joshua, Trade (for Duszak)
- 2 Top 4 RD who will be first callups on the right side.
Candidates: Josh Brown, Troy Stecher, Jake Livingstone, Matt Benning
It really seems like the main thing the Leafs need to figure out is goaltending (again) and what happens with Kerfoot/Mikheyev's spots. I don't see the Leafs moving Engvall or Kase unless they ask for too much money or we are concerned about Kase's reliability due to injury. Our PK was pretty good and I don't see us wanting to move on from 2 full pairs of PK forwards in one offseason, even if most of those 4th line prospects may be able to take over some of those PK duties.
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Holl could go no problem. The question is you can only keep 2 of Giordano, Muzzin, and Sandin. If Gio can slide to the right, we could roll Sandin - Giordano as the 3rd pairing. If not, you don't have room for them all.
Being a Leafs fan is so embarrassing man. I don’t think getting out of the 1st round is a big ask. Leafs fans don’t even have big expectations and they still fall short every year.
Anyways I think you let Keefe go. The past 3 seasons the Leafs had the better team in the playoffs and lost to a lesser team. The Leafs have only underachieved in the playoffs under Keefe.
Also the Leafs need to find a true #1 goalie. Campbell played well enough to give the Leafs a chance to win so you can’t put the loss on him but he didn’t steal any games for them either.
Anyways I think you let Keefe go. The past 3 seasons the Leafs had the better team in the playoffs and lost to a lesser team. The Leafs have only underachieved in the playoffs under Keefe.
Also the Leafs need to find a true #1 goalie. Campbell played well enough to give the Leafs a chance to win so you can’t put the loss on him but he didn’t steal any games for them either.
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The thing is, we don't have any Sandin-caliber prospects in our system. Nothing against Kral and Kokkonen, but they are more likely 3rd pairing replacements when a guy like Sandin jumps from 3rd pairing to 2nd pairing.
Muzzin/Giordano are also not long term solutions. We may get another year or two out of both (likely only one out of Muzzin given we likely move his last year), and that year buys some time for Sandin to develop on the 3rd pairing.
Ultimately, this is a team that will likely rely upon Rielly and Brodie a lot next year, and then will trust Liljegren and Sandin progressively more at the expense of Muzzin, Gio, and Holl/Lyubushkin.
I dont mind the idea of shaking the core up, but problem is the two guys I'd want to move on from are JT and Rielly, but both are locked in with NMC's.
They lose the same exact way every year. They cant score when it matters most. Its about time they actually address it.
They need a new goalie.
They need to shed cap. Im guessing Mrazek and Kerfoot will be moved. Possibly Muzzin if you can get him to waive.
Definitely listen on everyone but Matthews. Virtually everything should be on the table.
They lose the same exact way every year. They cant score when it matters most. Its about time they actually address it.
They need a new goalie.
They need to shed cap. Im guessing Mrazek and Kerfoot will be moved. Possibly Muzzin if you can get him to waive.
Definitely listen on everyone but Matthews. Virtually everything should be on the table.
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You could see Giordano and Muzzin rotate a lot to keep both fresh. Obviously, Giordano has to be sold on the Leafs (and be willing to take less) for that to happen. If he is not sold on us, then the decision is already made.
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Campbell was facing the back-to-back champs. Noting that the likes of Stamkos, Kucherov and Point aren't $11M players is essentially pointing out that Tampa has better contracts on the books than we do.
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