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Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 - Post Deadline

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TheRumble said:
You might wanna take a look at what Tampa depth players are paid before you put forth the theory that the Leafs depth was hampered by lack of money.

These are all the guys that scored for Tampa outside of their big 4 (Point, Hedman, Kuch and Stamkos) and their cap hits

Nick Paul - Makes 750k

Corey Perry - Makes $1 million

Brandon Hagel - Makes $1.5

Ross Colton - Makes $1 million

Ondrej Palat - Makes $5 million, he's leaving in the off season. Kerfoot would be our equivalent of him.

Ryan McDonagh - Makes $6.75 million. Kinda stretching it to call McDonagh a depth player too.

Alex Killorn - Makes 4.5.
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You forgot Cirelli/Maroon/Bellemare. Depth is being able to run out a middle class of Cirelli/Palat/Killorn after your top contributors. The Leafs middle class is Kerfoot. Beyond the middle class the players <2M on the Lightning outplayed their counterparts on the Leafs.

Hagel>Bunting
Colton>Kampf
Paul>Mikheyev
Perry/Bellemare/Maroon>Spezza/Blackwell/Kase/Simmonds/Clifford

Cor said:
That we have offensive firepower?
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Tampa pays their top players less.
 
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LeafsOHLRangers98 said:
The cap space could be used to add a big fish, prefferably in goal or at RD. I just have no idea who those would be at the moment.
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Gotcha. Yeah it's early so who knows.

Leafs have a lot of parts, but they really need to find quality.
 
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Americanadian said:
You forgot Cirelli/Maroon/Bellemare. Depth is being able to run out a middle class of Cirelli/Palat/Killorn after your top contributors. The Leafs middle class is Kerfoot. Beyond the middle class the players <2M on the Lightning outplayed their counterparts on the Leafs.

Hagel>Bunting
Colton>Kampf
Paul>Mikheyev
Perry/Bellemare/Maroon>Spezza/Blackwell/Kase/Simmonds/Clifford


Tampa pays their top players less.
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Bellmare makes a million, Maroon makes a million.

This has little to do with money and more to do with the fact that their minimum wage players did better than ours.

Bunting I'm fairly certain was injured as well.
 
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Lots of issues scoring goals in the playoffs recently and the answer is to trade Nylander? The guy who has been our best playoff performer over the last 2 seasons? I don't understand some of you guys. Here's what I'd do:

Trade Holl and Kerfoot. Both should have decent value on the trade market, especially Kerfoot and both can be internally replaced/upgraded on. Lilly can be in for Holl permanently, Robertson can be in for Kerfoot with Knies as a back-up for next playoffs if Robertson doesn't work out in the top six. Alternatively with the other moves you would have enough Cap space to re-sign Engvall/Liljegren and have cap left over for a UFA signing like Rakell who also provides flexibility at center if Holmberg can't handle the 3C job.

Trade Mrazek for whatever you can get without retaining salary. His year was terrible but there has to be at least one team that could use him and doesn't see him as a cap dump. Edmonton for sure needs to do something about their goaltending as Koskinen is a pending UFA and Smith is 40. Holland is also no doubt familiar with him as the former GM for Detroit where Mrazek had the best years of his career.

Sign and trade Mikheyev. Enough of just letting guys walk for free. Mikheyev shouldn't be an expensive sign. He's been a poor playoff performer and was an offensive black hole up until this season. You again could get a decent asset for him, Holmberg can replace him no problem in a bottom six role.

Trade Muzzin.

Use the assets gained from trading Kerfoot/Holl for Mackenzie Blackwood. He wants out of NJ and has put up good results before. He's still relatively young, cheap, has a lot of potential to outperform his cap hit with a decent defense in front of him and gives flexibility with one year of term left. He's good enough to platoon with Campbell at worst and might prove to be a worthy starter. Campbell did not do well enough to earn a big contract so you could probably get him back for a reasonable price.

Re-Sign Kase.

Re-sign Gio.

Bury Wayne Simmonds' Cap Hit in the AHL if he won't retire.

Don't resign Spezza.


Go into next season looking like this:

Bunting-Matthews-Marner
Rakell-JT-Nylander
Robertson-Holmberg-Kase
Engvall-Kampf-Anderson


Rielly-Liljegren
Gio-Brodie
Sandin-Lyubushkin
Kral/Rubins

Blackwood
Campbell

By mid-season Steeves will be NHL ready and able to replace anyone in the bottom six who is underperforming. Knies is an option to join when his college season is over right in time for the playoffs. Abruzzese starts with the Marlies but I'm thinking he can push for a regular job sometime during the season as well.
 
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I think the team needs an overhaul.
Trade
Mrazek 3.8 x 2 to Chicago for LA 2nd and Tor 3rd
Holl 2 x 1 to Chicago with Mrazek
Kerfoot 3.5 x 1 to Dallas for a 2nd
Muzzin 5.6 x 2 to LA for a 2nd
14.9 million cleared and we gain a 2nd
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Ufa Let em walk
Mikheyev 1.65 cleared
Kase 1.25 cleared
2.9 million cleared
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Kessel buyout gone 1.2 cleared
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Roster 2022-2023 Season

Bunting(950k) Matthews (11.6 ) Marner(10.9 )
Tavares (11) Nylander (6.9)
Robertson(796k) Engvall (2.2)
Blackwell (1.5) Kampf (1.5) Anderson (750k)

Mo (7.5) Brodie (5.0)
Gio (2.0) Liljegren (2.25)
Sandin (1.5) Lyubushkin (1.75)

Campbell (3.5)

Resigned
Engvall 2.2 x 2
Blackwell 1.5 x 2
Gio 2 x 1
Sandin 1.5 x 2
Liljegren 2.25 x 2

Leafs total cap 71.676 million
10.824 million free space
Needs 2 LW, 3 C, and Back up goalie
 
SprDaVE said:
I've been thinking about it for awhile even before last night. I have no idea. Part of me wants to grenade the team, the other part of me wants to run it back. The big problem is that cap space is an issue to a certain degree to make any sort of secondary changes without making a big trade or two.

This was the best regular seasons Leafs team in a very long time... so how do you really go ahead and nuke it?

My only real untouchable players are Matthews, Marner and Rielly. There are other highly valued players too but those guys are my blocks. After that, I'm not sure really what happens.

The biggest X factor is Campbell and goaltending. That has to be priority #1.
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I think you look at Campbell mrazek Holl muzzin kerfoot Kase mikheyev & engvall as pieces you can live without if it means adjusting the line up. They need to find a way to get a stud goalie and a reliable back up and find a way to bring in a few north south large body middle 6 forwards.
I think you extend boosh for similar money as he gets now and gio gets something between Simmonds (1.5) and spezza(750k) for whatever length of time he wants to keep playing.
58 34 16
Xx 91 88
Xx xx Xx
Xx 64 19/24

44 78
55 37
38 46

That line up comes in at about 60-63m depending what you think boosh, gio, lilly and sandin get (I went 1.5 across the board) so you have 22.5-19.5m to get the goaltending straightened out, and some middle 6 forwards. Definitely doable and a good opportunity to change up the roster composition.
 
Justin Braun or Josh Manson should be RD targets to play with Rielly.

Getting rid of Holl and Mrazek should be top priorities.

Kuemper should be the top target in goal. If he re signs with the Avs or elsewhere I wouldn't be opposed to re signing Jack and running a tandem with him plus either Husso or Georgiev.

Would also love to see Curtis Douglas be the tough guy on the roster next year instead of Simmonds and Clifford who are useless.

And based on what Hayley Wickenheiser said after the pre season development camp (something along the lines of Robertson and Steeves being very close to NHL ready), I'd say if those two don't make the jump next season that will be disappointing.
 
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Stephen said:
I'm glad you took the time to write it up and presenting a comprehensive plan like this. My first reaction is it feels too conservative. My feeling is the cap cutting needs to go deeper and include Muzzin - not negotiable, and Holl could go too, and bigger changes need to happen in the middle of the lineup. The Leafs have attempted to bring in some personality with Simmonds and Clifford in the past, and I think they half got it right, but need more prime aged Ontario players who are big body, play with playoff nastiness who can have full time roles. No more waterbugs like Kerfoot and Blackwell.
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Blackwell can stay sub 1m and compete for a 4th line role, kerfoot I think is a fine player, but like you said changes need to happen. Mrazek Campbell Holl muzzin kerfoot engvall mik & Kase are 21m to re-shape the guts of the line up

Gabriel426 said:
More Toews than Kane.
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Toews stinks now tho
 
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Nylanderthal said:
Blackwell can stay sub 1m and compete for a 4th line role, kerfoot I think is a fine player, but like you said changes need to happen. Mrazek Campbell Holl muzzin kerfoot engvall mik & Kase are 21m to re-shape the guts of the line up


Toews stinks now tho
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True. I was going to say Kopitar but he seems to lose a step or two.
 
tmlfan98 said:
Justin Braun or Josh Manson should be RD targets to play with Rielly.

Getting rid of Holl and Mrazek should be top priorities.

Kuemper should be the top target in goal. If he re signs with the Avs or elsewhere I wouldn't be opposed to re signing Jack and running a tandem with him plus either Husso or Georgiev.

Would also love to see Curtis Douglas be the tough guy on the roster next year instead of Simmonds and Clifford who are useless.

And based on what Hayley Wickenheiser said after the pre season development camp (something along the lines of Robertson and Steeves being very close to NHL ready), I'd say if those two don't make the jump next season that will be disappointing.
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For the love of god no to Braun and Manson.
 
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Gabriel426 said:
I don't know why the love affair for these two, they are really not that good. No doubt they would be upgrade to Holl but thats doesn't say much.
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Manson especially is actually just horrendous. Some of the worst analytics on the Ducks over the last 3 seasons and hasn't been any better since going to the Avs. 38 xGF% playing for arguably the only true contender in the West is hilarious.
 
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I'd love for the Leafs to go really young next season. Just sign 1 big fish where it may be with the cap space, probably a center, and then fill out with your young players. Robertson, Steeves, Anderson, Douglas, Kral, Holmberg, Hirvonen, Niemela, Kokkonen... Sprinkle that in the lineup, let them all duke it out and hope a few of them take the opportunity to rise up. Amirov would have been a fun player to add to this group.
 
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SprDaVE said:
I'd love for the Leafs to go really young next season. Just sign 1 big fish where it may be with the cap space, probably a center, and then fill out with your young players. Robertson, Steeves, Anderson, Douglas, Kral, Holmberg, Hirvonen, Niemela, Kokkonen... Sprinkle that in the lineup, let them all duke it out and hope a few of them take the opportunity to rise up. Amirov would have been a fun player to add to this group.
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You never know with Amirov. Medicine has never been better and he has a real determination to not just beat cancer but to keep playing hockey. He'll be with us in 2023.
 
Something Leafs need to do as well is plan what you do with Liljegren and Sandin. Make them full time NHLers and don't act like they are fringe people you can scratch. Hacks like Bourne and Carlo will say keep Holl because others are inexperienced and blah blah. If you are going to scatch them for silly reasons like that, trade them and get value back.
 
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Mock offseason:

Trades:
Alex Kerfoot to Nashville for Phillipe Myers + 2022 3rd + 2023 3rd
Justin Holl to Vegas for William Carrier + 2022 2nd
Petr Mrazek + VGK 2022 2nd to Minnesota for Cam Talbot

Signings:
Jack Campbell 3 x 3M
Rasmus Sandin 1 x 1.8M
Tim Liljegren 1 x 1.8M
Pierre Engvall 2 x 2M
Marcus Johansson 1 x 1.75M
Ondrej Kase 1 x 1.25M
Maxim Mamin 1 x 0.8M

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Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Robertson - Tavares - Nylander
Mamin - Johansson - Kase --> offensive L3
Carrier - Kampf - Engvall --> remade, defensive but tough L4

Rielly - Brodie
Muzzin - Liljegren
Sandin - Myers

Talbot
Campbell

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Other options include Pontus Holmberg at 3LW/3C with Mamin or MoJo out, or Joey Anderson/Alex Steeves on L4, Gio signed on D, and G savings from not getting Talbot used to sign Casey DeSmith as backup with the leftover money spent on an F upgrade somewhere to roll Robertson - MoJo - Kase
 
stickty111 said:
Something Leafs need to do as well is plan what you do with Liljegren and Sandin. Make them full time NHLers and don't act like they are fringe people you can scratch. Hacks like Bourne and Carlo will say keep Holl because others are inexperienced and blah blah. If you are going to scatch them for silly reasons like that, trade them and get value back.
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Leafs are in a really tough spot right now with making decisions with their defense because of a couple reasons. The importance of Muzzin to this team goes beyond the stats, but his contract is not great and he's definitely lost a step. But you can pair him with Brodie or anyone else and he helps solidify that spot. So what do you do? You trade him and then have Liljegren and Sandin fend for themselves with whatever partner they would get stuck with?

Justin Holl can't be on this team next year. It would be a terrible mistake to keep him around. The money that you're paying him would be better served elsewhere. Pay a guy like Nick Seeler 800k and use him as a 7th dman.
 
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