Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 - Post Deadline

[TheShape]

I like Kampf but ideally he's our 4th line C next season. Anybody have any options for a more offensive 3rd line centre? Especially if Keefe is going to split Tavares/Nylander then Willie will need someone to work with.

 

[SprDaVE]

I like Kampf but ideally he's our 4th line C next season. Anybody have any options for a more offensive 3rd line centre? Especially if Keefe is going to split Tavares/Nylander then Willie will need someone to work with.

Kampf is more than adequate for 3rd line role. He's not offensively gifted but he's capable and quite clearly a very good 2-way center. I would not cut his minutes.

Also, the Leafs don't really have a lot of cap space to spend on a more "offensive 3rd line center". Those aren't exactly cheap. You might as well put Kerfoot as a center and keep him around if that's the goal.

 

[TheShape]

Kampf is more than adequate for 3rd line role. He's not offensively gifted but he's capable and quite clearly a very good 2-way center. I would not cut his minutes.

Also, the Leafs don't really have a lot of cap space to spend on a more "offensive 3rd line center". Those aren't exactly cheap. You might as well put Kerfoot as a center and keep him around if that's the goal.

Something around Sandin for another young C on an ELC possibly? We’re jammed up on the left side next year.

Just thinking out loud , it could be a move we make mid-season where Dubas can accrue cap space. I know it sounds greedy but if something happens to Matthews or Tavares it would be nice to have a centre who could step into 2nd line and not miss a beat.

 

[nuck]

I like Kampf but ideally he's our 4th line C next season. Anybody have any options for a more offensive 3rd line centre? Especially if Keefe is going to split Tavares/Nylander then Willie will need someone to work with.

He is definitely stretched to his limit in the #3 role based on his weak offense. This year where he ends up with around 10g and 16a will be his career best and a challenge to repeat but you can't argue with the success his line has had this season. I don't see any chance they tinker with it because whatever his scoring limitations are, his opposition has been more limited and he is earning just $1.5M

I think he would have to play himself out of the #3 spot so to me the Kampf question isn't until 2023 when they have to decide to re-sign him or not and that may depend much on where Steeves and Hirvonen are in their development. At the end of this deal he is 28 and looking to cash in with what figures to be his one shot at a big deal (for him). I don't think the Leafs are up for that but if he replicates this year who knows? If he backslides even a bit then maybe they want to bring him back as a #4 but I don't see that if another club offers 3 x $2M+ as that is a bit rich for the 4th line.

Has there actually been talk of Keefe splitting Tavares from Willie?

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Something around Sandin for another young C on an ELC possibly? We’re jammed up on the left side next year.

Just thinking out loud , it could be a move we make mid-season where Dubas can accrue cap space. I know it sounds greedy but if something happens to Matthews or Tavares it would be nice to have a centre who could step into 2nd line and not miss a beat.

We are not moving Sandin.

I can't believe I have to say the obvious but Giordano and Muzzin are not long term solutions. If we can get another good year out of either, then we are lucky. If either are here after next year, I would be surprised. It is like saying we should move a top notch center prospect because Spezza is blocking him.

It is more likely that we rotate Giordano and Muzzin, or move Sandin/Giordano to their off-side, than the Leafs moving Sandin.

We are also not going to cut Kampf's minutes. No justifiable reason for it to happen. If we want an offensive depth threat, we can just use Abruzzese on the 4th line with Spezza/Simmonds and Anderson (with Holmberg/Steeves/Robertson/etc. competing for one of their jobs as well). That is better than the 4th line we have been using for most of this year.

 

[LeafChief]

Friedman mentioned last night that the Leafs will be meeting with Knies over the next 24-48 hours. If he signs that's great. If he doesn't he will go back to the NCAA and dominate next year and will be a big add next season after the NCAA season is over.

He also mentioned that teams are meeting with Ben Meyers on Monday and that there are some Canadian teams in the mix. Makes sense that the Leafs would be one of those teams considering they will be there.

 

[LeafChief]

Just a friendly reminder that a large group of you had a fit earlier in the year because this player was lost on waivers.

 

[nuck]

Friedman mentioned last night that the Leafs will be meeting with Knies over the next 24-48 hours. If he signs that's great. If he doesn't he will go back to the NCAA and dominate next year and will be a big add next season after the NCAA season is over.

He also mentioned that teams are meeting with Ben Meyers on Monday and that there are some Canadian teams in the mix. Makes sense that the Leafs would be one of those teams considering they will be there.

The only Canadian team I have heard in on Meyers was the Oilers but then also "over 20 clubs interested" so that probably includes others. I think he would be expecting a shot at moving right into an NHL lineup and there are a lot of teams that could offer him a better path than the Leafs. If Knies was a year older and more seriously looking at the jump to the show maybe a team mate thing but very unlikely Knies is a Leaf before the end of next year so no carrot there. I don't see Meyer as interested in wanting to spend time cooking in the AHL for a year.

I think Knies is ready for the AHL at least but with one more year in College he has a shot to maybe make the jump straight to the NHL. Kind of an interesting interview with his parents who were Slovakian immigrants.



I think he is going back to Minny.

 

[SprDaVE]

Something around Sandin for another young C on an ELC possibly? We’re jammed up on the left side next year.

Just thinking out loud , it could be a move we make mid-season where Dubas can accrue cap space. I know it sounds greedy but if something happens to Matthews or Tavares it would be nice to have a centre who could step into 2nd line and not miss a beat.

I do think the Leafs need to bolster their center depth so it's not a bad idea to look into it. The 4th line should have better options to what the Leafs have used this season. Spezzas game really fell off. Douglas might be an option there but we'll see. Blackwell has been OK if he's brought back, but more of a winger to me, same for Engvall and Kerfoot.

Sandin isn't getting traded any time soon I don't think.

 

[Mickey Marner]

A year ago I would've traded Liljegren before Sandin, but with his knee injury and Rielly's extension, I'm not opposed to exploring it. If he can't get top PP minutes or skate well enough to be a shutdown guy, his role will always be limited.

 

[TheShape]

We are not moving Sandin.

I can't believe I have to say the obvious but Giordano and Muzzin are not long term solutions. If we can get another good year out of either, then we are lucky. If either are here after next year, I would be surprised. It is like saying we should move a top notch center prospect because Spezza is blocking him.

It is more likely that we rotate Giordano and Muzzin, or move Sandin/Giordano to their off-side, than the Leafs moving Sandin.

We are also not going to cut Kampf's minutes. No justifiable reason for it to happen. If we want an offensive depth threat, we can just use Abruzzese on the 4th line with Spezza/Simmonds and Anderson (with Holmberg/Steeves/Robertson/etc. competing for one of their jobs as well). That is better than the 4th line we have been using for most of this year.

I don’t disagree, the solution is to move Muzzin as he isn’t worth his cap hit anymore but with his NTC I’m not banking on that happening. So yeah the backend will probably be a bit awkward for the year.

Another poster a few pages back suggested something around Sandin for Dawson Mercer. I’m not looking to trade Sandin, but that’s a move I could get behind.

On paper rotating Muzzin and Gio sounds simple enough, but with Keefe it’s not going to happen. He played the legs off Thornton, Spezza and Simmonds regardless of performance. He just doesn’t sit the veterans.

 

[TheShape]

A year ago I would've traded Liljegren before Sandin, but with his knee injury and Rielly's extension, I'm not opposed to exploring it. If he can't get top PP minutes or skate well enough to be a shutdown guy, his role will always be limited.

Rielly has PP1 on lock the next few years. Gio PP2 next season and after that it’s a role Liljegren is capable of playing also.

If Sandin is going to make the jump to top 4 like people expect, he’s going to need a lot of reps next season. As it stands, he’s our #7.

 

[Nylanderthal]

I don’t disagree, the solution is to move Muzzin as he isn’t worth his cap hit anymore but with his NTC I’m not banking on that happening. So yeah the backend will probably be a bit awkward for the year.

Another poster a few pages back suggested something around Sandin for Dawson Mercer. I’m not looking to trade Sandin, but that’s a move I could get behind.

On paper rotating Muzzin and Gio sounds simple enough, but with Keefe it’s not going to happen. He played the legs off Thornton, Spezza and Simmonds regardless of performance. He just doesn’t sit the veterans.

Muzz only has a ntc so if push comes to shove he’d be claimed on waivers. If the team let him know that that’s a distinct possibility I bet you he gives them a short list to work with in the summer. Probably LA where he’s comfortable Anaheim as it’s just down the road, and maybe another one or two options… Detroit is close as is Buffalo to his home in Woodstock. Columbus and Pitt aren’t worlds away either. Ottawa always seems to be a dumping ground for our unwanted toys.
At the end of the day NTC’s can only protect the player so much, especially if they’re a guy who’d get lost on waivers. It helps them control the situation as best they can but ultimately if the organization has decided to move off you without a nmc the team hold the cards

 

[TheShape]

Muzz only has a ntc so if push comes to shove he’d be claimed on waivers. If the team let him know that that’s a distinct possibility I bet you he gives them a short list to work with in the summer. Probably LA where he’s comfortable Anaheim as it’s just down the road, and maybe another one or two options… Detroit is close as is Buffalo to his home in Woodstock. Columbus and Pitt aren’t worlds away either. Ottawa always seems to be a dumping ground for our unwanted toys.
At the end of the day NTC’s can only protect the player so much, especially if they’re a guy who’d get lost on waivers. It helps them control the situation as best they can but ultimately if the organization has decided to move off you without a nmc the team hold the cards

Muzzin back to LA feels like only a matter of time. Kings could still use him.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Muzzin back to LA feels like only a matter of time. Kings could still use him.

Kings and ducks are both teams that should be on the upswing of their rebuild and could both use a stable LD to eat minutes, clear the net and stand up for the young guys on the team.
Both I think are suitable soft landing spots for him this off-season.
The opportunity to replace muzz-holl with Gio-boosh and save 5m in cap to disperse elsewhere has to be very appealing.

 

[SprDaVE]

A year ago I would've traded Liljegren before Sandin, but with his knee injury and Rielly's extension, I'm not opposed to exploring it. If he can't get top PP minutes or skate well enough to be a shutdown guy, his role will always be limited.

Sandin is really good but I'm worried about his skating and multiple lower body injuries really limiting his future potential. I agree. I know the Leafs and Keefe are very high on him but... I don't think it's that crazy to potentially look at trading Sandin IF the trade makes a lot of sense.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Sandin is really good but I'm worried about his skating and multiple lower body injuries really limiting his future potential. I agree. I know the Leafs and Keefe are very high on him but... I don't think it's that crazy to potentially look at trading Sandin IF the trade makes a lot of sense.

Extend Gio for a year at ~1m. Muzz to LA for cap relief Holl to reload some burnt draft capital then mrazek + Sandin ++ for Chychrun
Reilly Brodie
Chychrun boosh
Gio Lilly

 

[Mickey Marner]

Sandin is really good but I'm worried about his skating and multiple lower body injuries really limiting his future potential. I agree. I know the Leafs and Keefe are very high on him but... I don't think it's that crazy to potentially look at trading Sandin IF the trade makes a lot of sense.

Yeah, I like Sandin, but if he doesn't kill penalties or shut guys down, then he's 3rd pair ES and 2nd unit PP, playing 16-18 minutes per game. A shutdown 2nd pair who PKs is a 20-22 minute role that we need, but that's not really who Sandin is. I'd rather try to find a McDonagh/Hjalmarsson/Stralman type than see him get the Dermott role plus 2nd until PP.

 

[Menzinger]

Kampf is more than adequate for 3rd line role. He's not offensively gifted but he's capable and quite clearly a very good 2-way center. I would not cut his minutes.

Also, the Leafs don't really have a lot of cap space to spend on a more "offensive 3rd line center". Those aren't exactly cheap. You might as well put Kerfoot as a center and keep him around if that's the goal.

Yeah Kampf's icetime isn't going to go down regardless of what "line" he's on anyways. Keefe clearly loves having him leading a shutdown defense first line

What the Leafs likely need is a guy who can help an aging Spezza carry the burden of driving the puck on the other bottom six line

 

[Buds17]

Muzz only has a ntc so if push comes to shove he’d be claimed on waivers. If the team let him know that that’s a distinct possibility I bet you he gives them a short list to work with in the summer. Probably LA where he’s comfortable Anaheim as it’s just down the road, and maybe another one or two options… Detroit is close as is Buffalo to his home in Woodstock. Columbus and Pitt aren’t worlds away either. Ottawa always seems to be a dumping ground for our unwanted toys.
At the end of the day NTC’s can only protect the player so much, especially if they’re a guy who’d get lost on waivers. It helps them control the situation as best they can but ultimately if the organization has decided to move off you without a nmc the team hold the cards

I can't see Dubas risking Muzzin to waivers (and potentially being lost for no return) though simply because the player isn't willing to waive his contractual clause and move on via trade. In fairness, I don't envision any sort of problem "ending" here, if it in fact does come down to that. I just don't anticipate Muzzin departing from the team via the waiver wire this offseason.

 

[Nylanderthal]

I can't see Dubas risking Muzzin to waivers (and potentially being lost for no return) though simply because the player isn't willing to waive his contractual clause and move on via trade. In fairness, I don't envision any sort of problem "ending" here, if it in fact does come down to that. I just don't anticipate Muzzin departing from the team via the waiver wire this offseason.

I don’t either, it’s just at the end of the day if the teams ready to move on from a player a ntc doesn’t do much other than help the player narrow down where he ends up.

 

[justloveleafs]

The only Canadian team I have heard in on Meyers was the Oilers but then also "over 20 clubs interested" so that probably includes others. I think he would be expecting a shot at moving right into an NHL lineup and there are a lot of teams that could offer him a better path than the Leafs. If Knies was a year older and more seriously looking at the jump to the show maybe a team mate thing but very unlikely Knies is a Leaf before the end of next year so no carrot there. I don't see Meyer as interested in wanting to spend time cooking in the AHL for a year.

I think Knies is ready for the AHL at least but with one more year in College he has a shot to maybe make the jump straight to the NHL. Kind of an interesting interview with his parents who were Slovakian immigrants.



I think he is going back to Minny.

What a poorly veiled pitch video. This guy wants more money for making the jump, hilarious, and his parents are going along with it. Hahaha, just when I thought I had seen it all.

 

[Stigma]

The only Canadian team I have heard in on Meyers was the Oilers but then also "over 20 clubs interested" so that probably includes others. I think he would be expecting a shot at moving right into an NHL lineup and there are a lot of teams that could offer him a better path than the Leafs. If Knies was a year older and more seriously looking at the jump to the show maybe a team mate thing but very unlikely Knies is a Leaf before the end of next year so no carrot there. I don't see Meyer as interested in wanting to spend time cooking in the AHL for a year.

I think Knies is ready for the AHL at least but with one more year in College he has a shot to maybe make the jump straight to the NHL. Kind of an interesting interview with his parents who were Slovakian immigrants.



I think he is going back to Minny.

So Knies mom is Anna Sorokin. Who knew!

 

[Mickey Marner]

I figured they were Slovakian with a name like Meyers... Must be some Germanic roots on his father's side.

 

[nuck]

I figured they were Slovakian with a name like Meyers... Must be some Germanic roots on his father's side.

Knies family are the Slovaks. Meyers' are American (but likely German way back as you say) I love how dad describes Matthew as mean.