Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 - Post Deadline

[WTFMAN99]

This board significantly underrates Roy. He would be the Leafs #1 RHD and a perfect fit with Rielly (strong defensively) and he's on a great contract for 2 more years (same term as Nylander). Him for Nylander 1 for 1 would legitimately be fair value based on on ice value and contract value imo.

No, it wouldn't, that's bs.

I want to change the look of the team, and in particular I am happy to look at trading 88 unlike most on here. You trade him 1 for 1 for Roy and that's Larsson for Hall all over again.

I like Roy because I have seen my share of Kings games but he doesn't hold 88's value.

 

[LeafChief]

This board significantly underrates Roy. He would be the Leafs #1 RHD and a perfect fit with Rielly (strong defensively) and he's on a great contract for 2 more years (same term as Nylander). Him for Nylander 1 for 1 would legitimately be fair value based on on ice value and contract value imo.

This has Hall for Larsson written all over it. Roy is good but he doesn't hold the value Nylander has. Nylander is an 80 point winger. Think about what we would be suggesting it would cost if we were looking to acquire Debrincat.

EDIT: Looks like @WTFMAN99 beat me to it.

 

[Sebastien]

This has Hall for Larsson written all over it. Roy is good but he doesn't hold the value Nylander has. Nylander is an 80 point winger. Think about what we would be suggesting it would cost if we were looking to acquire Debrincat.

EDIT: Looks like @WTFMAN99 beat me to it.

Larsson isn't waiving. He has complete nmc or complete no trade clause. Seattle won't trade him

 

[WTFMAN99]

Larsson isn't waiving. He has complete nmc or complete no trade clause. Seattle won't trade him

Have some coffee and come back

 

[LeafChief]

Larsson isn't waiving. He has complete nmc or complete no trade clause. Seattle won't trade him

I don't think you're following along.

 

[Sebastien]

I don't think you're following along.

Omg nevermind

 

[socko]

Glad Dubas is making these decisions.

That makes 1 of us.

 

[ACC1224]

I keep coming back to trading Nylander too although it seems crazy.

Nylander/Tavares don’t seem to gel as they should. Shouldn’t need to get a LW to ‘get those two going’.

Adding Robertson (who I think is our internal top 6 option potentially….until the other potential Knies) to Tavares/Nylander seems like a pretty soft line

Changing up Nylander for a more power forward type scorer may change the dynamic too.

But then I circle back to ‘am I really reading Nylander to fit in f’ing Robertson??!?’

Glad Dubas is making these decisions.

Regarding goalie: I defer to the people who really know what happened behind the scenes and what Campbell was going through mentally. I’d like him back but the fact the Leafs haven’t really engaged with him to me says they are not at all comfortable there.

Now there's something you don't hear every day.

 

[Brobust]

Any legitimate explanation why Connor Brown's price is so high and Alexander Kerfoot's is so low?

 

[Metroid]

Any legitimate explanation why Connor Brown's price is so high and Alexander Kerfoot's is so low?

Ones a leaf the other one used to be a leaf

Kerfoots value goes up once he's on another team. It's how this works

 

[Torontonian]

Don’t think Toronto is going to be active in the FA market as some think. I believe Toronto going to try to fill the 4th line via the Marlies, with players like Anderson,Steeves,Douglas, which I think the thing to do. Inject younger,faster players into that role, not older slower free agents.

All in all, Its probably going to be a quieter off-season, I don’t think there’s going to be many holes they will have to fill, probably 2nd line LW (Hopefully Via trade) and the 4th line and two goalies, the goalie situation will be the most interesting thing.

Bunting - Matthews - Marner
XXX - Tavares - Nylander
Kerfoot - Kampf - Engvall
XXX - XXX - XXX
Simmonds/Clifford

Moe - Brodie
Muzzin - Lilly
Sandin - Gio (think they try him on the right)

XXX
XXX

 

[Americanadian]

No, it wouldn't, that's bs.

I want to change the look of the team, and in particular I am happy to look at trading 88 unlike most on here. You trade him 1 for 1 for Roy and that's Larsson for Hall all over again.

I like Roy because I have seen my share of Kings games but he doesn't hold 88's value.

I understand where you're coming from. The value is probably off with Nylander being the more valuable piece. Roy had a better last 3 years(statistically) than Larsson's 3 years leading up to the trade. Nylander has similar impacts to Hall at the time of the trade. The difference is the Leafs save ~3.8M for the next 2 years. The Oilers only cleared ~1.8M. The Oilers also made the playoffs and won a round in Larsson's first season and they didn't make the playoffs once with Hall on the roster. With this years FA market 3.8M could be the difference between the lower tier and upper tier goalies or even the difference between putting a Marlie on the 3rd line or putting Marchment there. I'd take Roy+Marchment over Nylander+Lyubushkin at equal salary.

 

[SprDaVE]

I get the feeling we’re going to be disappointed with this offseason

Always keep your expectations low about that stuff. People throw out Nylander and 20 team trades in here like it's just another Monday. It's all fantasy so whatever floats your boat but like you said, I think it's usually a lot more quiet for that kind of stuff.

The goaltending situation should already be funky enough, not sure they'll go even more nuts infront of that.

 

[Brobust]

I understand where you're coming from. The value is probably off with Nylander being the more valuable piece. Roy had a better last 3 years(statistically) than Larsson's 3 years leading up to the trade. Nylander has similar impacts to Hall at the time of the trade. The difference is the Leafs save ~3.8M for the next 2 years. The Oilers only cleared ~1.8M. The Oilers also made the playoffs and won a round in Larsson's first season and they didn't make the playoffs once with Hall on the roster. With this years FA market 3.8M could be the difference between the lower tier and upper tier goalies or even the difference between putting a Marlie on the 3rd line or putting Marchment there. I'd take Roy+Marchment over Nylander+Lyubushkin at equal salary.

Has anyone ever held up the Hall-Larsson trade positively before you?

 

[Fogelhund]

I don't see any harm in exploring moving Nylander, but I see such a move, as bringing in more depth, but not giving up in quality.

Such moves as to NJD for 2nd OA McLeod + Holtz for Nylander + Mikheyev

Or to Nashville for 17th OA + Sissons + Tomasino

Then having the room to sign someone like a Reilly Smith

But in a 1:1 for a D man.. I don't think that makes sense.

 

[ACC1224]

I don't see any harm in exploring moving Nylander, but I see such a move, as bringing in more depth, but not giving up in quality.

Such moves as to NJD for 2nd OA McLeod + Holtz for Nylander + Mikheyev

Or to Nashville for 17th OA + Sissons + Tomasino

Then having the room to sign someone like a Reilly Smith

But in a 1:1 for a D man.. I don't think that makes sense.

Mikheyev as a pending UFA wouldn't hold much value.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Why is that? I would guess most GMs are thinking at minimum 1 summer ahead. If you want to resign Nylander (or don't want him to walk for free) you have to think about how your going to fit him in therefore affecting any moves you make this summer


Loosing the leafs 2 best defensive defender and not being significantly worse may be a tough ask. I dont know, personally I don't see how they possibly fit in Nylander if they want to to keep both M&M but that is just me.

Brodie & Muzz are going to age out by then. Either resign them to cheaper deals that reflect their ability or find better value for those positions, but you definitely don’t let a mid 20’s ppg stud walk because you’re concerned about replacing a couple of mid 30 defensive d men with tons of miles on them.

 

[Nylanderthal]

I don't see any harm in exploring moving Nylander, but I see such a move, as bringing in more depth, but not giving up in quality.

Such moves as to NJD for 2nd OA McLeod + Holtz for Nylander + Mikheyev

Or to Nashville for 17th OA + Sissons + Tomasino

Then having the room to sign someone like a Reilly Smith

But in a 1:1 for a D man.. I don't think that makes sense.

A trade like the Jordan staal deal to Carolina makes sense, top 10 pick + prospect + cheap filler then you can redirect the cap savings towards nichuskin or forsberg etc in FA.
I’d rather not break will down into smaller pieces so I’d be looking for as a high a pick as possible and not as many other pieces.
Willy for 2oa makes sense to an extent. Draft Cooley and let him & Knies dominate ncaa this year and bring them in together after the season and work them into the line up together.
Mrazek + nylander for 2OA + Blackwood.
Saves $1m in net while reconfiguring half the goalie tandem, now you have an extra 8m in cap to replace Willy/depth and have a top prospect in the fold.
This would be one of the only ways I’d make that move

Now there's something you don't hear every day.

Actually outside of the negative corners of this place he’s got a pretty reasonable approval rating, just check out the fan poll on the athletic

 

[Rob Brown]

I don't see any harm in exploring moving Nylander, but I see such a move, as bringing in more depth, but not giving up in quality.

Such moves as to NJD for 2nd OA McLeod + Holtz for Nylander + Mikheyev

Or to Nashville for 17th OA + Sissons + Tomasino

Then having the room to sign someone like a Reilly Smith

But in a 1:1 for a D man.. I don't think that makes sense.

Don't think we're getting 2nd overall + Holtz for Nylander.

 

[Torontonian]

Always keep your expectations low about that stuff. People throw out Nylander and 20 team trades in here like it's just another Monday. It's all fantasy so whatever floats your boat but like you said, I think it's usually a lot more quiet for that kind of stuff.

The goaltending situation should already be funky enough, not sure they'll go even more nuts infront of that.

The thing is, Dubas and Shanny like this team, everyone expecting them to trade Nylander just for the sake of it should know that’s not how management rolls. It sucks losing but the group has improved year after year, this was a a 115 point team and 4th overall team.

 

[SnizzNasty88]

Why on earth are you people even mentioning Makar’s name? Sakic should be insulted even just at the mention of his name let alone any proposals for him..

 

[ToneDog]

The thing is, Dubas and Shanny like this team, everyone expecting them to trade Nylander just for the sake of it should know that’s not how management rolls. It sucks losing but the group has improved year after year, this was a a 115 point team and 4th overall team.

Not sure why anybody why anybody would trade Nylander just for the sake of it. Trading him for a top 4 dman or goaile + picks and replacing him with a cheaper UFA who can ignite Tavares can make us a better team. Another Kadri trade is not acceptable.

 

[Torontonian]

Not sure why anybody why anybody would trade Nylander just for the sake of it. Trading him for a top 4 dman or goaile + picks and replacing him with a cheaper UFA who can ignite Tavares can make us a better team. Another Kadri trade is not acceptable.

I don’t think you ever match the talent coming back in a Nylander trade unless it’s a pure hockey trade like Nylander for Pasta or Marchand type deal. You trade him for depth pieces, but then you ask “well whose gonna replace that player in the top 6 now”

 

[WTFMAN99]

I understand where you're coming from. The value is probably off with Nylander being the more valuable piece. Roy had a better last 3 years(statistically) than Larsson's 3 years leading up to the trade. Nylander has similar impacts to Hall at the time of the trade. The difference is the Leafs save ~3.8M for the next 2 years. The Oilers only cleared ~1.8M. The Oilers also made the playoffs and won a round in Larsson's first season and they didn't make the playoffs once with Hall on the roster. With this years FA market 3.8M could be the difference between the lower tier and upper tier goalies or even the difference between putting a Marlie on the 3rd line or putting Marchment there. I'd take Roy+Marchment over Nylander+Lyubushkin at equal salary.

No guy.

 

[Americanadian]

Has anyone ever held up the Hall-Larsson trade positively before you?

Not sure. It's an indictment on roster construction rather than the players themselves.