Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 - Post Deadline

[ACC1224]

I can't imagine anyone watching this team the last 3 years and going "you know what we need? Mark Scheifele".

I imagine Jet fans would say the same about Nylander.

 

[LeafChief]

Im from QC... i heard that song about Gibson a thousand time about Price. Look at his stats he suck, habs should trade him away because hesoverpaid and keep allen or sign a below average goalie cheaper, thats will make habs a better team overal...

Watch gibson stats he suck, no way leafs trase for him... hes awful and overpaid. Leafs are better to get a cheaper goalie below average unstead of Gibson... thats will make leafs a better team and harser to play against...

Different story but same song...

I don't think anyone is saying that. Most have said they would be interested in Gibson at the right price.

Your trade suggestion was absurd.

If the above is what you think you are arguing against, you are having an argument with yourself.

 

[nuck]

I can't imagine anyone watching this team the last 3 years and going "you know what we need? Mark Scheifele".

I can't imagine you saw the player prior to 2020 There may be lifestyle, mental health or personal issues with the guy so obviously if there was interest there is some due diligence required. I am betting the clubs loss of Trouba, Laine, and Buff and the lack of sustained success have just made the guy start to lose faith on their direction. Their coach quit on them because they are tuning him out, it hasn't been good there.

If you read the Jets Scheif threads from a couple of years ago the guy was considered a stud with no issues. How often have you heard Willie described that way?

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

I can't imagine you saw the player prior to 2020 There may be lifestyle, mental health or personal issues with the guy so obviously if there was interest there is some due diligence required. I am betting the clubs loss of Trouba, Laine, and Buff and the lack of sustained success have just made the guy start to lose faith on their direction. Their coach quit on them because they are tuning him out, it hasn't been good there.

If you read the Jets Scheif threads from a couple of years ago the guy was considered a stud with no issues

Oh I like him as a player, but adding another 6-7m forward that isn't overly physical, has gaps in their defensive effort, is streaky, etc. There's just so many things we already have.

Only + I see is that we could move JT to wing.

 

[Americanadian]

IF the Leafs clear cap space elsewhere (Kerfoot, Holl, Muzzin) they could probably swap Mrazek for Zucker. Zucker was very good on Minnesota and for some reason fell off a cliff the moment he joined Pittsburgh. Pit need cap space and a 2nd goalie behind Jarry. Leafs take on 1.7M in cap space for 1 year and give Zucker a shot on 2LW with Tavares. They can use the cap space that Zucker takes up on the sheet this year to give a raise to any of Bunting/Liljegren/Sandin after this season.

 

[1specter]

Yeah f*** Scheifele, dude has a hate boner for the Leafs. Also no matter how desperate people here are to trade Nylander it's not happening.

Focus on goaltending and acquiring depth players who can step up in playoffs and play that style of hockey.

 

[supermann_98]

There's no way Dubas doesn't have a plan. And I can't see it being two from the scrap heap in the most pivotal year of his tenure in Toronto. Doesn't sound like it's Gibson, doesn't sound like it's Campbell. Can't be Mrazek. UFA options are meh. Really curious to see what the plan is.

As long as he’s adamant that the big 4 are going nowhere he will pulling from the bargain bin scrap heap once again. Goaltending is something has no idea what he’s doing and really lucked out in acquiring Campbell for the last 2 years

 

[SeaOfBlue]

IF the Leafs clear cap space elsewhere (Kerfoot, Holl, Muzzin) they could probably swap Mrazek for Zucker. Zucker was very good on Minnesota and for some reason fell off a cliff the moment he joined Pittsburgh. Leafs take on 1.7M in cap space for 1 year and give Zucker a shot on 2LW with Tavares. They can use the cap space that Zucker takes up on the sheet this year to give a raise to any of Bunting/Liljegren/Sandin after this season.

Suggested exactly that not too long ago, but I am not sure we can afford the extra cap space.

Zucker is a lot more overpaid than Mrazek, even when you consider Mrazek's extra year, so you probably need to have PIT retain a bit on Zucker for it to make sense.

 

[Sebastien]

IF the Leafs clear cap space elsewhere (Kerfoot, Holl, Muzzin) they could probably swap Mrazek for Zucker. Zucker was very good on Minnesota and for some reason fell off a cliff the moment he joined Pittsburgh. Pit need cap space and a 2nd goalie behind Jarry. Leafs take on 1.7M in cap space for 1 year and give Zucker a shot on 2LW with Tavares. They can use the cap space that Zucker takes up on the sheet this year to give a raise to any of Bunting/Liljegren/Sandin after this season.

Zucker has all Canadian teams as paet10 teams no trade . He still has family issues such as his wife nit being allowed to leave Minnesota

 

[thusk]

I don't think anyone is saying that. Most have said they would be interested in Gibson at the right price.

Your trade suggestion was absurd.

If the above is what you think you are arguing against, you are having an argument with yourself.

The right price... no they want Gibson at the same price we get Giordano at trade deadline...

The right price for both team start minimum with 2 1st or a 1st and really good prospect like robertson knies or niemela... everything under that is just underpaid...to get value you need to give value...

 

[Nylanderthal]

The right price... no they want Gibson at the same price we get Giordano at trade deadline...

The right price for both team start minimum with 2 1st or a 1st and really good prospect like robertson knies or niemela... everything under that is just underpaid...to get value you need to give value...

You’re going to have a hard time around here convincing people a .904 goalie with $32m owed over 5 years is going to cost upwards of three first round picks in value plus.

 

[Fogelhund]

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[Martin Skoula]

You’re going to have a hard time around here convincing people a .904 goalie with $32m owed over 5 years is going to cost upwards of three first round picks in value plus.

Don't forget that our .904 goalie with half the money owed over half the length is going to cost us multiple first round picks and prospects as a cap dump.

 

[kb]

The right price... no they want Gibson at the same price we get Giordano at trade deadline...

The right price for both team start minimum with 2 1st or a 1st and really good prospect like robertson knies or niemela... everything under that is just underpaid...to get value you need to give value...

Stop. Just stop.

He is NOT worth that.

He's been a shit goalie for years now. No one cares how good he was 4 years ago. He's not what he was 4 years ago, and no one is going to pay this.

 

[1specter]

Goaltending is something has no idea what he’s doing and really lucked out in acquiring Campbell for the last 2 years

I mean, he specifically sought out Campbell, so it seems a bit stupid to call it 'luck'. Campbell had pedigree and had a really good 2019 season with LA, there was definitely thought given to that transaction. Plus there was the Soo connection, it's not like Campbell was a random throw-in.

 

[LeafChief]

Zucker has all Canadian teams as paet10 teams no trade . He still has family issues such as his wife nit being allowed to leave Minnesota

Why isn't his wife able to leave Minny?

The right price... no they want Gibson at the same price we get Giordano at trade deadline...

The right price for both team start minimum with 2 1st or a 1st and really good prospect like robertson knies or niemela... everything under that is just underpaid...to get value you need to give value...

Ok cool pal. Have a good one!

 

[kb]

You’re going to have a hard time around here convincing people a .904 goalie with $32m owed over 5 years is going to cost upwards of three first round picks in value plus.

Agreed. That is just a over the top stupid overpayment.

The Phaneuf deal will and should be the template.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Stop. Just stop.

He is NOT worth that.

He's been a shit goalie for years now. No one cares how good he was 4 years ago. He's not what he was 4 years ago, and no one is going to pay this.

I'm in between, I wouldn't give up too much beyond say Robertson as an actual asset. Mrazek and Robertson as a basis?...yeah okay I might try.

Anytime you start talking about a current top 60 pick, one of our top prospects etc, Anaheim can get bent and keep him.

 

[stickty111]

So if true, a first rounder and a good young player/prospect.

 

[kb]

I'm in between, I wouldn't give up too much beyond say Robertson as an actual asset. Mrazek and Robertson as a basis?...yeah okay I might try.

Anytime you start talking about a current top 60 pick, one of our top prospects etc, Anaheim can get bent and keep him.

I give them one decent asset if they take back Mrazek. If they want 2, then retention and/or another player of significant value needs to be coming back.

This is potentially a 5 year albatross of a contract if he stays at his .904.

 

[RAM]

The right price... no they want Gibson at the same price we get Giordano at trade deadline...

The right price for both team start minimum with 2 1st or a 1st and really good prospect like robertson knies or niemela... everything under that is just underpaid...to get value you need to give value...

This is simply insane to pay this for Gibson, you are paying for what he will do in the future not what he has done in the past, (3 years ago). If this was actually the deal Toronto did, it would be the most 1 sided trade in the history of the NHL

 

[kb]

So if true, a first rounder and a good young player/prospect.

To get that return IMO will require retention and taking Mrazek back.

 

[nuck]

Oh I like him as a player, but adding another 6-7m forward that isn't overly physical, has gaps in their defensive effort, is streaky, etc. There's just so many things we already have.

Only + I see is that we could move JT to wing.

Okay that makes sense. I would make that move for the reasons stated but I am definitely not saying that there aren't other players that fit better from a cap and skillset perspective.

 

[Ziggdiezan]

To get that return IMO will require retention and taking Mrazek back.

What was their rumored ask?

 

[thusk]

I don't think anyone is saying that. Most have said they would be interested in Gibson at the right price.

Your trade suggestion was absurd.

If the above is what you think you are arguing against, you are having an argument with yourself.

The right price... no they want Gibson at the same price we get Giordano at trade deadline...

The right price for both team start minimum with 2 1st or a 1st and really good prospect like robertson knies or niemela... everything under that is just underpaid...to get value you need to give value... anaheim will never trade gibson 1v1 against a late 1st round...