Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 - Post Deadline

[Nylanderthal]

I would totally do Willie for Scheif. It gives them the ability to roll 3 scoring lines and to shift JT to the wing. More size and just a different look. I expect Willies numbers would go up with the deal while Sheif's go down but there would have to be a significant Leaf add to balance the contracts. I kind of think they give Trotz a chance to turn him around though.

Schief is all the horrible takes some posters have about Willy all rolled into one. Selfish, moody, doesn’t know the brand of pads or number his goalie wears. Also he hates the leafs. Hard pass.

 

[SprDaVE]

I would totally do Willie for Scheif. It gives them the ability to roll 3 scoring lines and to shift JT to the wing. More size and just a different look. I expect Willies numbers would go up with the deal while Sheif's go down but there would have to be a significant Leaf add to balance the contracts. I kind of think they give Trotz a chance to turn him around though.

This is classic "grass is greener on the other side" syndrome.

 

[Brobust]

With Binnington playing well in the playoffs and 6mx5 remaining, maybe the Blues would entertain moving Husso and keeping Binner. A tandem of Husso and Mrazek with a decent #3 like a Lindgren (who's probably in line to be Blues backup) or Comrie should be something we could roll with.

Husso is basically Ullmark level. He's fine, but is it really worth spending $4.5M for fine.

I think the middle ground between cheap/young and expensive/elite is where a lot of money tends to get wasted.

 

[ToneDog]

There is nothing to entertain; Husso is a UFA.

For some reason I thought he was an RFA. So we need Blues to decide to go with Binner and let Husso walk and I would try to get Husso's rights which won't cost much if he is walking.

Husso is basically Ullmark level. He's fine, but is it really worth spending $4.5M for fine.

I think the middle ground between cheap/young and expensive/elite is where a lot of money tends to get wasted.

I was thinking Dreiger money $3.5?? but I think Husso has much higher upside. If he is Ullmark, I look for other options.

 

[ToneDog]

Schief is all the horrible takes some posters have about Willy all rolled into one. Selfish, moody, doesn’t know the brand of pands or number his goalie wears. Also he hates the leafs. Hard pass.

Never heard Schief hated Leafs. I believe his family is in Kitchener area so it could be a good change of scenery. Then again Ritchie is from Orangeville and he barely had a pulse.

 

[notdoneyet]

Dare I say....AND with retention? IMO taking his full contract would essentially mean that the entire bottom 6 forwards would have to be at or near league minimum salary.


That's exactly where I am at.

Our bottom sux is there now at or near league minimum

We cant have success with this thinking

 

[thusk]

Let's clear the air here.

I am not entirely against getting Gibson. I am against getting a goalie that counts $6.4 million against the cap for several more seasons and giving up a 1st + Robertson for that privilege for someone who currently is not living up to his contract, and hasn't since he signed it.

Like @SeaOfBlue said, the Phaneuf deal is more like what the value should be. Neither Phaneuf nor Gibson was worth what they got, so it should be a template for a deal.

In no universe is he worth a 1st and a top prospect unless someone like Zegras is coming back.

Good luck to find a good goalie under 5M...

Kind of goalie you will have under 5,
-blackwood
-Murray if buy out
-desmith
-Martin Jones
-thomas Greiss

Maybe Ville Husso...

I think people just dont understand there are no good goalie who could be available outside of Gibson...

Vancouver will not trade Demko
Winnipeg will not trade hellebuyck
Philly will not trade Hart
Vegas will not trade Lehner

The only other goalie who could move outside of Gibson is taking a bigger risk on Grubauer or Bobrosvky...

 

[ToneDog]

Good luck to find a good goalie under 5M...

Kind of goalie you will have under 5,
-blackwood
-Murray if buy out
-desmith
-Martin Jones
-thomas Greiss

Maybe Ville Husso...

I think people just dont understand there are no good goalie who could be available outside of Gibson...

Vancouver will not trade Demko
Winnipeg will not trade hellebuyck
Philly will not trade Hart
Vegas will not trade Lehner

The only other goalie who could move outside of Gibson is taking a bigger risk on Grubauer or Bobrosvky...

Panthers offering Bob at 50%. I'd do Bob @ 50% for Mrazek but Bob will be 34 going into the season with 4 year left. Yikes.

 

[showtime8]

Good luck to find a good goalie under 5M...

Kind of goalie you will have under 5,
-blackwood
-Murray if buy out
-desmith
-Martin Jones
-thomas Greiss

Maybe Ville Husso...

I think people just dont understand there are no good goalie who could be available outside of Gibson...

Vancouver will not trade Demko
Winnipeg will not trade hellebuyck
Philly will not trade Hart
Vegas will not trade Lehner

The only other goalie who could move outside of Gibson is taking a bigger risk on Grubauer or Bobrosvky...

This is essentially what the Leafs are looking at. At this point, you're almost better just staying with Mrazek and that makes me want to puke just thinking about it.

So you gamble on a young goalie trying to break out. That could be like Georgiev where you might be able to get something reasonable out of him, but he's so unproven that it could backfire. That's a similar situation to Nedeljkovic with Detroit and people were shocked that Carolina traded him.

Or you spend money on a goalie that has some miles on him, but could give you 2 good years above the level that you were getting currently. Those are Helleybuck and Gibson.

I do think that Winnipeg is open to trading Helleybuck if the price is right. The team is at a crossroads with a new coach coming in and turning over their core of players.

 

[justashadowof]

Probably wishful thinking but think of converting one of the big four into two ready-to-play robust ELCs to play hard minutes lower in the lineup plus using the freed money to pay a top tier goalie. That's how you might get over the hump imo.

 

[thusk]

This is essentially what the Leafs are looking at. At this point, you're almost better just staying with Mrazek and that makes me want to puke just thinking about it.

So you gamble on a young goalie trying to break out. That could be like Georgiev where you might be able to get something reasonable out of him, but he's so unproven that it could backfire. That's a similar situation to Nedeljkovic with Detroit and people were shocked that Carolina traded him.

Or you spend money on a goalie that has some miles on him, but could give you 2 good years above the level that you were getting currently. Those are Helleybuck and Gibson.

I do think that Winnipeg is open to trading Helleybuck if the price is right. The team is at a crossroads with a new coach coming in and turning over their core of players.

Can you tell me when was the last time a team traded his #1 goalie outside of a 1 year rental player? The 2 last time thats happening, Should be Luongo in 2014 and the second maybe Luongo in 2006 There a reason why team never trade their #1 unless they have no choice...

If leafs need to give something like 2 1st pick and hirvonen to dont play with a kind Of Mike Smith/ mikko Koskinen tandem... i do it all day long

 

[TheBigFour]

Its kind of funny how people rag on nylander for his 200 foot game but are ready to trade him for a player who seems to have lockroom issues and is horrible defensively. (one of the worst in the league)

schefiele is last thing we need right now.

 

[BackPassChampions]

Good luck to find a good goalie under 5M...

Kind of goalie you will have under 5,
-blackwood
-Murray if buy out
-desmith
-Martin Jones
-thomas Greiss

Maybe Ville Husso...

I think people just dont understand there are no good goalie who could be available outside of Gibson...

Vancouver will not trade Demko
Winnipeg will not trade hellebuyck
Philly will not trade Hart
Vegas will not trade Lehner

The only other goalie who could move outside of Gibson is taking a bigger risk on Grubauer or Bobrosvky...

And that’s IF Gibson does not have the Leafs on his NTC.

This is the only real reason why I’m not looking too deeply into Gibson.

If the Leafs are not on his list, and the price is reasonable/there’s a really fair trade available, I’m all for it and Dubas needs to make it happen.

Part of my fair trade would need to include some salary retainment if Mrazek is being traded elsewhere to make sure we can sign a back up.

But we really don’t know and I’d hate to waste my time on discussing a goalie that may not even come here. As the off season starts, we will know more about Gibson and the market situation.

At the end of the day, the Leafs need to be very careful on their decision here. This will be one hell of an interesting off season.

 

[LeafChief]

Can you tell me when was the last time a team traded his #1 goalie outside of a 1 year rental player? The 2 last time thats happening, Should be Luongo in 2014 and the second maybe Luongo in 2006 There a reason why team never trade their #1 unless they have no choice...

If leafs need to give something like 2 1st pick and hirvonen to dont play with a kind Of Mike Smith/ mikko Koskinen tandem... i do it all day long

Two 1sts + for Gibson?

Jesus Christ this place.

 

[thusk]

And that’s IF Gibson does not have the Leafs on his NTC.

This is the only real reason why I’m not looking too deeply into Gibson.

If the Leafs are not on his list, and the price is reasonable/there’s a really fair trade available, I’m all for it and Dubas needs to make it happen.

Part of my fair trade would need to include some salary retainment if Mrazek is being traded elsewhere to make sure we can sign a back up.

But we really don’t know and I’d hate to waste my time on discussing a goalie that may not even come here. As the off season starts, we will know more about Gibson and the market situation.

At the end of the day, the Leafs need to be very careful on their decision here. This will be one hell of an interesting off season.

Gibson is a american who came play junior in OHL unstead of stay on NCAA in states... I dont think Canada really affraid him and outside of playing in canada, there are no reason he should not want to play in Toronto...

 

[Brobust]

Good luck to find a good goalie under 5M...

Kind of goalie you will have under 5,
-blackwood
-Murray if buy out
-desmith
-Martin Jones
-thomas Greiss

Maybe Ville Husso...

I think people just dont understand there are no good goalie who could be available outside of Gibson...

Vancouver will not trade Demko
Winnipeg will not trade hellebuyck
Philly will not trade Hart
Vegas will not trade Lehner

The only other goalie who could move outside of Gibson is taking a bigger risk on Grubauer or Bobrosvky...

Blackwood - bad team
Murray - bad team
DeSmith - decent numbers

Tell me why they don't get the same benefit of the doubt as John Gibson.

 

[Stephen]

Husso is basically Ullmark level. He's fine, but is it really worth spending $4.5M for fine.

I think the middle ground between cheap/young and expensive/elite is where a lot of money tends to get wasted.

Yeah unfortunately Toronto doesn’t have a pipeline of cheap and young and seem unwilling to really pay the price for expensive and elite even if it were available. So we need to jump on the guy with the most upside available.

 

[showtime8]

Can you tell me when was the last time a team traded his #1 goalie outside of a 1 year rental player? The 2 last time thats happening, Should be Luongo in 2014 and the second maybe Luongo in 2006 There a reason why team never trade their #1 unless they have no choice...

Yeah, it's very uncommon for that to happen and often times when the goalie is a true #1, the team is often very good in front of them. There are often trades that happen when another goalie behind them is projected to take over the spot. I know that when Freddy Andersen was traded to Toronto, he played basically the equivalent to John Gibson the season before. He actually played in 43 games vs 40 for Gibson.

There also has to be some reflection from GM's to make some hard decisions. If you're Anaheim, where do you think you are in terms of competing again? Maybe 4 years? By that time, you've got a 32 year old goaltender in John Gibson still playing 60 games a season? Same with Winnipeg and Helleybuck. If you were to guess where Winnipeg would be next season, do you think they're contending or around the playoff bubble? They finished lower than Vegas and Vancouver to even make the playoffs.

Blackwood - bad team
Murray - bad team
DeSmith - decent numbers

Tell me why they don't get the same benefit of the doubt as John Gibson.

Because people look at contract and want Gibson on the entry level deal.

 

[Brobust]

Yeah unfortunately Toronto doesn’t have a pipeline of cheap and young and seem unwilling to really pay the price for expensive and elite even if it were available. So we need to jump on the guy with the most upside available.

IMO, that's Ilya Samsonov.

 

[LeafChief]

I'm not anti-Gibson. I think he would be absolutely solid here to be honest but the prices people are throwing around for a goalie that has had 3 poor seasons in a row are a bit crazy.

 

[Stephen]

Blackwood - bad team
Murray - bad team
DeSmith - decent numbers

Tell me why they don't get the same benefit of the doubt as John Gibson.

Feel free to make a case for why those goalies deserve the benefit of the doubt.

For people who don’t like Gibson, I think the analysis begins and ends with the stats line. But kind of ignores how the past three years he usually flames out late in season, and his numbers are ruined by the fact that he can play a great game and then suddenly the floodgates open and he pulls the chute. That’s not to say he’s in the best mental shape to play on a contender. But he’s clearly tired of playing behind a doormat rebuilder.

 

[Stephen]

IMO, that's Ilya Samsonov.

That’s an interesting name. Washington is also in flux.

Could also see Ullmark himself being available the way the Bruins seem to be ready to tank, if reports are to be believed.

 

[thusk]

Two 1sts + for Gibson?

Jesus Christ this place.

Do you really know what its really mean 2 1st pick... i did the experiment on 11 draft between 2006 and 2016...

20% of player drafted between 21 to 31 became a top 6 foward or top 4 dand not necessairly all star player... at least half are player like kapanen, kempe, pearsson, rakell, coyle, palmieri, foligno

So giving 2 1st pick its like giving 2X 20% of chances to get atop6 fow/ top d and 60% of depht player or bust..

 

[BertCorbeau]

That’s an interesting name. Washington is also in flux.

Could also see Ullmark himself being available the way the Bruins seem to be ready to tank, if reports are to be believed.

A trade based around Ullmark and Mrazek might make some sense

 

[Kurtz]

That’s an interesting name. Washington is also in flux.

Could also see Ullmark himself being available the way the Bruins seem to be ready to tank, if reports are to be believed.

Ullmark is for sure available - they couldn't trust him in the playoffs, and Swayman is ready to take over. But Ullmark is owed $5m for the next 3 years, which I believe is what Campbell was rumoured to be asking for. Between the two, I think I'd rather just go with Campbell.