Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 - Post Deadline

[thusk]

Yeah, it's very uncommon for that to happen and often times when the goalie is a true #1, the team is often very good in front of them. There are often trades that happen when another goalie behind them is projected to take over the spot. I know that when Freddy Andersen was traded to Toronto, he played basically the equivalent to John Gibson the season before. He actually played in 43 games vs 40 for Gibson.

There also has to be some reflection from GM's to make some hard decisions. If you're Anaheim, where do you think you are in terms of competing again? Maybe 4 years? By that time, you've got a 32 year old goaltender in John Gibson still playing 60 games a season? Same with Winnipeg and Helleybuck. If you were to guess where Winnipeg would be next season, do you think they're contending or around the playoff bubble? They finished lower than Vegas and Vancouver to even make the playoffs.



Because people look at contract and want Gibson on the entry level deal.

its the worst d of NhL right now so yes at least 4 because thats take a lot of time developping D...Drysdale is good but hes not a actual top 4 dman, zellweger a lot of talent but will need time.

Fowler is 30 and still the only top 4 d remaining...

That will take a lot of time before anaheim came back as a good team...

 

[TheShape]

It’s going to be interesting to see what they do at the goalie position. Majority of these names are pretty underwhelming to be honest, Dubas can’t afford to cheap out again.

 

[SprDaVE]

It’s going to be interesting to see what they do at the goalie position. Majority of these names are pretty underwhelming to be honest, Dubas can’t afford to cheap out again.

If we believe Chris Johnston, it sounds like they want to "cheap out", aka go after cheaper/younger/buy low alternatives. Not sure I quite believe it but it's a very strong possibility.

 

[kb]

What if the trade was mrazek Kerfoot and one of Robertson/1st/Sandin would you be more open to that trade ?

Kerfoot has significant positive value - especially since as of July 2nd he is only owed $750k but carries a $3.5 million cap hit. You basically cannot get a 50 point scorer for that price ($750k), and that magnifies his value at a time with clubs are looking to save.

But even as such, I suspect he would be of marginal interest to the Ducks as a pending UFA - unless they planned on flipping him immediately, or at the deadline. And he would return at least a second, if not a 1st (w/ sal. retention), so the value is pretty much 2 firsts and Mrazek again.

I have wracked my brain trying to think of a way to make the value work in a trade. The issue is that the Leafs have no bad contracts to send back other than Mrazek. If they want a prospect, it will be a second tier prospect at most.

Now if the Ducks would retain......then the value gap narrows by the amount of the retention.

Husso is basically Ullmark level. He's fine, but is it really worth spending $4.5M for fine.

I think the middle ground between cheap/young and expensive/elite is where a lot of money tends to get wasted.

Bang on.

 

[stickty111]

It’s going to be interesting to see what they do at the goalie position. Majority of these names are pretty underwhelming to be honest, Dubas can’t afford to cheap out again.

It makes absolutely 0 sense to go with 2 questionable or reclamation projects. If thats what Dubas is planning, what are we even doing here?

 

[LeafChief]

Do you really know what its really mean 2 1st pick... i did the experiment on 11 draft between 2006 and 2016...

20% of player drafted between 21 to 31 became a top 6 foward or top 4 dand not necessairly all star player... at least half are player like kapanen, kempe, pearsson, rakell, coyle, palmieri, foligno

So giving 2 1st pick its like giving 2X 20% of chances to get atop6 fow/ top d and 60% of depht player or bust..

What's your math on goalies with .903 save percentage over the last three years with 6+ million AAV left on a 5 year deal going for in a trade?

I actually like the idea of acquiring Gibson but not at the prices being floated around here. No chance.

 

[TheShape]

It makes absolutely 0 sense to go with 2 questionable or reclamation projects. If thats what Dubas is planning, what are we even doing here?

We’ll see what happens, I think it’s Kuemper or trade for someone legit, even if that means an overpay like what Sakic had to do. Reclamation project for a backup is fine, but not 2.

 

[thusk]

What's your math on goalies with .903 save percentage over the last three years with 6+ million AAV left on a 5 year deal going for in a trade?

I actually like the idea of acquiring Gibson but not at the prices being floated around here. No chance.

Price get awful stats 3 of 4 years season last 5 years...Who won 2 playoff series by himself against leafs and Vegas?...

I give you a choice to win a series between a healthy price or Mike Smith? Who do you take? Probably Smith if you watching only stats...


The biggest difference between both its than ducks was even worst than habs...

 

[Ziggdiezan]

If we believe Chris Johnston, it sounds like they want to "cheap out", aka go after cheaper/younger/buy low alternatives. Not sure I quite believe it but it's a very strong possibility.

I dont even know if its a want rather than a necessity. I dont think Dubas will make a big trade so the cap space isn't there for an expensive goalie without f***ing up the forward depth even more.

 

[ryno23]

I wonder if they can play the nostalgia card on Max Domi and get him here for a cheap price. Now you got a pest with scoring touch on each of the top 2 lines.

Bunting Matthews Marner
Domi Tavares Nylander

 

[LeafChief]

Price get awful stats 3 of 4 years season last 5 years...Who won 2 playoff series by himself against leafs and Vegas?...

I give you a choice to win a series between a healthy price or Mike Smith? Who do you take? Probably Smith if you watching only stats...


The biggest difference between both its than ducks was even worst than habs...

Carey Price is not John Gibson.

Carey Price is one of the best goalies of this generation. John Gibson is a good to very good goalie.

I'm not interested in any of your goal post moving hypotheticals but to answer your question I wouldn't choose Mike Smith over just about any of the playoff goalies. Very strange attempt by you but I tip my cap for the creativity.

I wonder if they can play the nostalgia card on Max Domi and get him here for a cheap price. Now you got a pest with scoring touch on each of the top 2 lines.

Bunting Matthews Marner
Domi Tavares Nylander

I'd love this (at a cheap price). A lot of people around here aren't interested in Domi (rightfully so because his Dad is a clown and WAY too involved) but Domi can play that Bunting role incredibly well (and probably better).

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

Its kind of funny how people rag on nylander for his 200 foot game but are ready to trade him for a player who seems to have lockroom issues and is horrible defensively. (one of the worst in the league)

schefiele is last thing we need right now.

You mean one person?

 

[BrannigansLaw]

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Would anyone be upset with this lineup next year? (Don't worry about the teams in the trades more than the value; I just picked a few teams that make some sense; 5 picks in 2022 including 3 in the first 3 rounds; all 7 rounds covered in both 2023 and 2024 unless ARI takes the 2023 3rd)

Holl -> Dronov
Spezza -> Tierney
Simmonds -> Robertson (or Steeves/Abruzzese/Holmberg/McMann/etc.)
Mikheyev -> Lazar
Kerfoot -> Anderson

Giordano rotates in for injuries and to give Muzzin some rest. Almost 1.8 mill to play with in case anyone needs some extra money or you want to upgrade one of those 5 spots, and that is without moving Muzzin or Mrazek.

Primary call ups: Dahlstrom, Kral, Fitzgerald, one RD UFA, Woll, Kallgren, Clifford, Holmberg, Steeves, Abruzzese, McMann, maybe Douglas, and maybe one or two veteran UFA forwards.

Outside of the “big” 4, the rest of the forward group are godawful except Bunting. Really shows our lack of cap space when you have Joey Anderson on line 2

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

I wonder if they can play the nostalgia card on Max Domi and get him here for a cheap price. Now you got a pest with scoring touch on each of the top 2 lines.

Bunting Matthews Marner
Domi Tavares Nylander

I feel like this is just the same old song and dance. Once again, this top 6 would leave us with a terrible bottom 6.

 

[ryno23]

I feel like this is just the same old song and dance. Once again, this top 6 would leave us with a terrible bottom 6.

move out Kerfoot and give that 3.5 to Domi

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

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Would anyone be upset with this lineup next year? (Don't worry about the teams in the trades more than the value; I just picked a few teams that make some sense; 5 picks in 2022 including 3 in the first 3 rounds; all 7 rounds covered in both 2023 and 2024 unless ARI takes the 2023 3rd)

Holl -> Dronov
Spezza -> Tierney
Simmonds -> Robertson (or Steeves/Abruzzese/Holmberg/McMann/etc.)
Mikheyev -> Lazar
Kerfoot -> Anderson

Giordano rotates in for injuries and to give Muzzin some rest. Almost 1.8 mill to play with in case anyone needs some extra money or you want to upgrade one of those 5 spots, and that is without moving Muzzin or Mrazek.

Primary call ups: Dahlstrom, Kral, Fitzgerald, one RD UFA, Woll, Kallgren, Clifford, Holmberg, Steeves, Abruzzese, McMann, maybe Douglas, and maybe one or two veteran UFA forwards.

That's not a very good hockey team. Somehow our depth gets less good at generating goals. Slightly faster, but still soft, and still underskilled in the bottom 6.

 

[ToneDog]

Outside of the “big” 4, the rest of the forward group are godawful except Bunting. Really shows our lack of cap space when you have Joey Anderson on line 2

Engvall as your #4LW making more than your top 3 LWers is just wrong.

 

[ACC1224]

I wonder if they can play the nostalgia card on Max Domi and get him here for a cheap price. Now you got a pest with scoring touch on each of the top 2 lines.

Bunting Matthews Marner
Domi Tavares Nylander

It would be very surprising if the bring the Domi circus to town.

 

[BrannigansLaw]

I wonder if they can play the nostalgia card on Max Domi and get him here for a cheap price. Now you got a pest with scoring touch on each of the top 2 lines.

Bunting Matthews Marner
Domi Tavares Nylander

We can’t keep trying to make it work with 3/4 players taking up all our cap space. Marner/Tavares/Matthews cap hits have really f***ed us. We need to move one of them and it needs to be Tavares. It would be a mistake to trade Marner.

 

[thusk]

Carey Price is not John Gibson.

Carey Price is one of the best goalies of this generation. John Gibson is a good to very good goalie.

I'm not interested in any of your goal post moving hypotheticals but to answer your question I wouldn't choose Mike Smith over just about any of the playoff goalies. Very strange attempt by you but I tip my cap for the creativity.


I'd love this (at a cheap price). A lot of people around here aren't interested in Domi (rightfully so because his Dad is a clown and WAY too involved) but Domi can play that Bunting role incredibly well (and probably better).

If hes that good how can you explain and wasnt able to keep good stats when he was playing in a better team?

Thats exactly the same thing, a goie can be better than how the team was playing in front and stats dont tell everything of a goalie. Just look all around the league, why Gibson still considerated as an elite g by everybody, still considerate like a top 5 g by players...

Anaheim are one of 5 worst defensive team since 3 yeara + add the fact he almost never playing against bottom of the standings... worst defensive+ one of worst offensive+ playing only against best team = great chance and having your stats lower than the job you really done in reality...

 

[LeafChief]

If hes that good how can you explain and wasnt able to keep good stats when he was playing in a better team?

Thats exactly the same thing, a goie can be better than how the team was playing in front and stats dont tell everything of a goalie. Just look all around the league, why Gibson still considerated as an elite g by everybody, still considerate like a top 5 g by players...

Anaheim are one of 5 worst defensive team since 3 yeara + add the fact he almost never playing against bottom of the standings... worst defensive+ one of worst offensive+ playing only against best team = great chance and having your stats lower than the job you really done in reality...

This is borderline unreadable.

 

[TML Dynasty]

_____. Matthews. Marner
Bunting. Tavares. Nylander
Engvall. Kampf. Kase
Marlies.

Upgrade on that. But it’s not a bad starting place. Then:

Reilly Brodie.
Gio. Lil.
Sandin _____.

Or

Reilly. ____
Gio. Lil
Sandin. Brodie

Full season of Gio and steps forward from our two youngsters will help mitigate the loss of Muzzin and Holl (in a potential trade) but I’m optimistic especially depending on who fills the hole

Get a good goalie in a trade. I think/hope there’s a plan here with the goalie department moves.

Common Trades!!

 

[nuck]

This is classic "grass is greener on the other side" syndrome.

I think Willie costs more to resign than Scheifele and has a lesser positional value. Its interesting that Scheifele's attitude issues don't appear to have existed prior to 2020 so I suspect its a Winnipeg environment thing and that is why he is even potentially available. You need to give to get. Running a big 4 hasn't worked yet but maybe thats just because of the 4 they are working with.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

I can't imagine anyone watching this team the last 3 years and going "you know what we need? Mark Scheifele".

 

[thusk]

This is borderline unreadable.

Im from QC... i heard that song about Gibson a thousand time about Price. Look at his stats he suck, habs should trade him away because hesoverpaid and keep allen or sign a below average goalie cheaper, thats will make habs a better team overal...

Watch gibson stats he suck, no way leafs trase for him... hes awful and overpaid. Leafs are better to get a cheaper goalie below average unstead of Gibson... thats will make leafs a better team and harser to play against...

Different story but same song...