Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 - Post Deadline

[kb]

Yes he is and thats why team pay scout... to watch player play unstead of just watching stats on a paper...

So stats like save percentage are meaningless for a goalie?

 

[SeaOfBlue]

We just need to price Gibson properly. That is the end of the debate.

Anaheim needs to take money back and even then, if they are only taking Mrazek back for example, they won't get much more than what Phaneuf returned.

 

[MatthewNylander]

So stats like save percentage are meaningless for a goalie?

Look at prices stats for the last three years , and that guy took the Montreal Candiens to a Stanley cup final with his god like play. He is a good goalie but his stats didn’t reflect his ability in front of the team play. They put it together for the playoffs and his skill took over. Give gibson a structured team and a chance to win again and see how talented he is . Duck fans that watch most games say he has been solid even though his stats are t great he was. Just my two
Cents.
He is a talented goalie and he has played good in front of a weak team despite his numbers .

 

[thusk]

Gibson isn't solving the issue tho.

Yes he is and thats why team pay scout... to watch player play unstead of just watching stats on a paper.

 

[kb]

Mrazek:

.905
.923
.888

Gibson:

.904
.903
.904


Someone explain the arguments here, and how this could lead anyone to think Gibson coming here is a good idea.

Mrazek was "the beneficiary of a great defense" whose "numbers naturally cratered after coming to the Leafs".

Gibson's numbers "are the result of playing behind a poor defense" and "he will rebound back to elite here".

Whichever one of the 2 statements a poster believes in makes the other statement inconsistent.

 

[Kurtz]

So stats like save percentage are meaningless for a goalie?

They matter, they just need to be used as a part of a picture rather than the entire painting. Did you know, for instance, that Vasilevsky has never had a season where he finished top 5 in save percentage? Campbell has though. Gibson too.

Mrazek:

.905
.923
.888

Gibson:

.904
.903
.904


Someone explain the arguments here, and how this could lead anyone to think Gibson coming here is a good idea.

Mrazek was "the beneficiary of a great defense" whose "numbers naturally cratered after coming to the Leafs".

Gibson's numbers "are the result of playing behind a poor defense" and "he will rebound back to elite here".

Whichever one of the 2 statements a poster believes in makes the other statement inconsistent.

Not really. Carolina has the best defense in the league. Leafs are about average. And Ana has terrible defense, maybe the worst in the league. The logic is consistent.

 

[thusk]

So stats like save percentage are meaningless for a goalie?

A goalie can be better than the team in front he cant make his team win all by himself every time he in the ice. Like i already said playing against arizona offensive is not the same thing than florida. It is really better have a 19 of 20 game against arizona than a 52 of 55 shot against florida ? Statistically yes but in reality not sure...

37 shot against Stl
55 against florida
42 against carolina
46 against edmonton
42 against florida
38 against NYR
41 against Edmonton
43 against calgary
45 against Ottawa
44 against Toronto

Only during his last 26 games, against really good offensive team except Ottawa...

 

[BackPassChampions]

Chris Johnston reiterated again he does not think Gibson is in serious consideration by the Leafs based on what he is hearing. He believes they are going to revamp the entire goaltending department at a coaching(already happening with Steve Briere and he was first to break the news) plus organizational level, and we'll have two new goaltenders to start the year.

 

[Brown Dog]

Chris Johnston reiterated again he does not think Gibson is in serious consideration by the Leafs based on what he is hearing. He believes they are going to revamp the entire goaltending department at a coaching(already happening with Steve Briere) plus organization level, and will have two new goaltenders to start the year.

There's no way Dubas doesn't have a plan. And I can't see it being two from the scrap heap in the most pivotal year of his tenure in Toronto. Doesn't sound like it's Gibson, doesn't sound like it's Campbell. Can't be Mrazek. UFA options are meh. Really curious to see what the plan is.

 

[Kurtz]

Chris Johnston reiterated again he does not think Gibson is in serious consideration by the Leafs based on what he is hearing. He believes they are going to revamp the entire goaltending department at a coaching(already happening with Steve Briere) plus organization level, and will have two new goaltenders to start the year.

Has he put forward any names?

 

[SeaOfBlue]

There's no way Dubas doesn't have a plan. And I can't see it being two from the scrap heap in the most pivotal year of his tenure in Toronto. Doesn't sound like it's Gibson, doesn't sound like it's Campbell. Can't be Mrazek. UFA options are meh. Really curious to see what the plan is.

Maybe Binnington, although he too is not a guy who is getting elite assets and may need retention as well. He is not too much unlike Gibson, but he does have that Cup and is a local guy. IDK what their feelings will be about his tantrums though.

STL could do a Husso - Mrazek combo next year though.

 

[BackPassChampions]

Has he put forward any names?

Nothing yet. I'm sure as the offseason starts, we may start to hear some names.

Maybe Binnington, although he too is not a guy who is getting elite assets and may need retention as well. He is not too much unlike Gibson, but he does have that Cup and is a local guy. IDK what their feelings will be about his tantrums though.

STL could do a Husso - Mrazek combo next year though.

Doubt it because of his racist tweets.

Given that we axed Imoo, my assumption is Binnington won't be considered.

 

[Ziggdiezan]

There's no way Dubas doesn't have a plan. And I can't see it being two from the scrap heap in the most pivotal year of his tenure in Toronto. Doesn't sound like it's Gibson, doesn't sound like it's Campbell. Can't be Mrazek. UFA options are meh. Really curious to see what the plan is.

Yup it will definitely be very interesting. My guess is a guy like Blackwood or Georgiev for 1a and Murray or Holtby for 1b

 

[Menzinger]

So what you are saying is we should bring back Reimer?

Maybe not him, but I think the team could use a player like him. A cheap vet 1B.

They'd just need another part to add to the tandem on top of that. Like an unproven younger guy who may be ready to breakout

 

[SprDaVE]

Has he put forward any names?

Nope.

The whole thing makes me really nervous. Kuemper is the only real big upgrade on Campbell, so I'm not sure why the Leafs are so adamant in moving on there.

 

[Stephen]

No one can say this with any degree of certainty.


Unless the issue is how quickly they will need to sell off and rebuild.

I’m not saying it’s necessarily right to go for Gibson, but when a team goes into a full rebuild, no goalie is going to come out looking great.

 

[Stephen]

Maybe not him, but I think the team could use a player like him. A cheap vet 1B.

They'd just need another part to add to the tandem on top of that. Like an unproven younger guy who may be ready to breakout

I think the guy with upside is going to be Ville Husso. It’s a gamble though.

 

[meefer]

Please accept this as a question, I'm not trying to stir a pot. I know how much we are anticipating the jump to the Leafs for Knies. But, I'm curious to gain opinions about how much capital we could gain if we considered moving him to Arizona. How attractive would he be in/to that market? Just as an example...

Kerfoot and Knies to the Yotes.

Crouse, McBain + ??? to the Leafs.

I don't think Crouse is a superstar, or even a star, but I think he's capable of filling a specific role for the Leafs better than Kerfoot, and on a cheaper RFA deal. I'm aware of McBain's stats, his inclusion on the Olympic team, his improvements this year with Boston C, but have no idea about his future 'potential' as a NHL pivot: 2/3/4 C? Could he join the team this year and stick? Does he have more upside than what the Marlies are carrying? And, because Kerf's on his final year, how much (based on Knies being from the area) might Arizona add to a deal such as this? A 2nd, more, less, they tell us to take a hike?

I love Knies' potential, but if trading him can make the team better...

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Please accept this as a question, I'm not trying to stir a pot. I know how much we are anticipating the jump to the Leafs for Knies. But, I'm curious to gain opinions about how much capital we could gain if we considered moving him to Arizona. How attractive would he be in/to that market? Just as an example...

Kerfoot and Knies to the Yotes.

Crouse, McBain + ??? to the Leafs.

I don't think Crouse is a superstar, or even a star, but I think he's capable of filling a specific role for the Leafs better than Kerfoot, and on a cheaper RFA deal. I'm aware of McBain's stats, his inclusion on the Olympic team, his improvements this year with Boston C, but have no idea about his future 'potential' as a NHL pivot: 2/3/4 C? Could he join the team this year and stick? Does he have more upside than what the Marlies are carrying? And, because Kerf's on his final year, how much (based on Knies being from the area) might Arizona add to a deal such as this? A 2nd, more, less, they tell us to take a hike?

I love Knies' potential, but if trading him can make the team better...

Easy no. Crouse is not a headline piece for anyone like Knies.

 

[meefer]

Easy no. Crouse is not a headline piece for anyone like Knies.

And that's why I asked what the add(s) might be, or need to be to make this type of deal. I respect your knowledge, is there anything that A might offer that makes it a useful consideration for the Leafs?

 

[SeaOfBlue]

And that's why I asked what the add(s) might be, or need to be to make this type of deal. I respect your knowledge, is there anything that A might offer that makes it a useful consideration for the Leafs?

I mean, not really. Unless that third piece is better than the other two pieces, there is not really much there for the Leafs.

 

[meefer]

I mean, not really. Unless that third piece is better than the other two pieces, there is not really much there for the Leafs.

Ok, I appreciate your input.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Has he put forward any names?

Matt Murray lol

 

[Canada4Gold]

Unfortunately, that would have been YEARS ago, and I can't find it in the search system, so who knows at this point. But the goalie being discussed was waived by Tampa, and it wasn't Nabokov; the goalie was in his early 20's, and I swear it was Vasi.


It's possible that the person who posted the "Vasi on waivers" discussion didn't know that he was waiver-exempt at the time, but I do recall a discussion about whether the Leafs should try and grab him.

I have no idea who this mystery goalie you're thinking of but here is Vasilevski's NHL transaction history. Wasn't on waivers

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The only other goalies of note Tampa has drafted since 2008 that could have been on waivers are Connor Ingram, Kristers Gudlevskis, and Dustin Tokarski. Of course it could have been a prospect they traded for after someone else drafted them too.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

I have no idea who this mystery goalie you're thinking of but here is Vasilevski's NHL transaction history. Wasn't on waivers

Thank You - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

Thank you for the amazing 9 years

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The only other goalies of note Tampa has drafted since 2008 that could have been on waivers are Connor Ingram, Kristers Gudlevskis, and Dustin Tokarski. Of course it could have been a prospect they traded for after someone else drafted them too.

Connor Ingram was the guy I was thinking of when reading the posts. Extremely weird situation where he played well in the AHL with a .922 SV%, got demoted to the ECHL and left there before eventually being traded.