Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 - Post Deadline

[OVO16]

Kerfoot and Holl trades need to be the first dominoes to fall. I don't care if it's separately or together, but they gotta go.

Mrazek is gonna be tougher to dump. No idea if it gets done. Only team I see a trade for Mrazek working is potentially Chicago

 

[Lightsol]

You hit the nail on the head with your own statement. Lower rung goalies are just that.

Except that Vasi and Shesterkin were both considered lower rung goalies... Until they weren't.

 

[Brobust]

Except that Vasi and Shesterkin were both considered lower rung goalies... Until they weren't.

Shesterkin was full time in the KHL by 21, which feels pretty rare and even more impressive, Vasilevsky was in the NHL by 21. They both came with immense pedigree and then earned a full starter's role over time.

 

[Lightsol]

Shesterkin was full time in the KHL by 21, which feels pretty rare and even more impressive, Vasilevsky was in the NHL by 21. They both came with immense pedigree and then earned a full starter's role over time.

My point is, they weren't expected to be what they were when they were drafted, or they would have both gone higher. Goalie is one of the few positions where taking a shotgun approach normally works, just because they're so weird that way.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

My point is, they weren't expected to be what they were when they were drafted, or they would have both gone higher. Goalie is one of the few positions where taking a shotgun approach normally works, just because they're so weird that way.

Vasilevsky was a first round pick to be fair.

And Shestyerkin should not have been taken that late, even without hindsight. He was getting KHL games as a DY and dominated the U18 as a late birthday.

Vasilevsky did something similar.

Teams just suck at drafting Russians, and goalies. Russian goalies seem to be that much worse.

 

[Fogelhund]

Except that Vasi and Shesterkin were both considered lower rung goalies... Until they weren't.

Vasi was a first round pick. He was never a lower rung goalie. Shesterkin, absolutely...

 

[thusk]

So he takes nights off and we should be ok with that?

What do you think those splits mean? Why was the cut off 20 teams when only 16 make the playoffs?

Both played 44 against top 20 team, the difference was hellebuyck played 22 game unstead of 12 game against awful offensive team and get his stats boosted that way.

its not the same thing get a SO or allowing just 1 goal against awful offensive like montreal, arizona, buffalo, ottawa or whatever than having a SO or 1 goal allowed against best offensive

Against wich team leafs will play on playoff...montreal ottawa arizona, buffalo??? No...the extra game he get to raise his stats just dont matter because the real goal is to get a goalie to win on playoff not to look sexy against awful team.

 

[Nylanderthal]

I would love a trade with Nahville..Nylander + Holl for Tomasino, Sissons and their first round pick..Tomasino could replace Nylander on a line with Tavares and Sissons is a useful player to have

Holy shit lol

Shesterkin was full time in the KHL by 21, which feels pretty rare and even more impressive, Vasilevsky was in the NHL by 21. They both came with immense pedigree and then earned a full starter's role over time.

Shesterkin was a 4th round pick and exploded post draft. There wasn’t the pedigree prior to the rangers picking him anymore so than any of the 3-6th round goalie darts we’ve thrown in the last decade. Same goes for Sorokin

 

[Nylanderthal]

According to the Athletic Gibson has not asked for a trade and as of now plans to remain a duck

Ducks' Gibson says he hasn't asked for trade

Gibson said he doesn’t have much of a presence on social media and that he first learned of the trade speculation when his agent, Kurt Overhardt, called him.

theathletic.com

Both played 44 against top 20 team, the difference was hellebuyck played 22 game unstead of 12 game against awful offensive team and get his stats boosted that way.

its not the same thing get a SO or allowing just 1 goal against awful offensive like montreal, arizona, buffalo, ottawa or whatever than having a SO or 1 goal allowed against best offensive

Against wich team leafs will play on playoff...montreal ottawa arizona, buffalo??? No...the extra game he get to raise his stats just dont matter because the real goal is to get a goalie to win on playoff not to look sexy against awful team.

Top 20? So a bunch of mid tier teams too? What’s this obsession with removing his results vs specific teams?
If we subtract Mrazek’s awful games to start the season and some against some bottom feeders you’d see he’s a .920 goalie who doesn’t lose.
Do you see how silly that sounds?

 

[Americanadian]

I would love a trade with Nahville..Nylander + Holl for Tomasino, Sissons and their first round pick..Tomasino could replace Nylander on a line with Tavares and Sissons is a useful player to have

4 years of Sissons to play 3C at <3M would be awesome. Sissons has put up top 20 defensive impacts among forwards over the last 5 seasons, top 10 if you remove this past season where he had a down year. Tomasino put up almost the same AHL numbers at 19 Nylander did at the same age (1.1 PPG/0.45 GPG for Tomasino, 1.18 PPG/0.48 GPG for Nylander). Tomasino just put up top 20 defensive GAR among forwards this year (13th at 5v5) at 20 years old while also putting up 32 points. Both players shoot right which is a bonus. The 17th pick almost guarantees the Leafs get McGroarty. And the Leafs pick up 5.25M in cap space with Tomasino on ELC for 2 more seasons. This is a perfect Nylander proposal for future and present.

Edit: for reference because I know it will be brought up. Nylander put up 0.7 WAR during his 20 year old season in the NHL (2016-17). Tomasino put up 1.8 WAR in 400 less minutes. Tomasino's rookie season profiles very closely to Cirelli's rookie year where he was 21.

Player	Age	Season	TOI Total	Off GAR/60	Def GAR/60	Off+Def
Anthony Cirelli	21	18-19	1217	0.42	0.29	0.71
Philip Tomasino	20	21-22	877	0.39	0.31	0.70
Willam Nylander	26	21-22	1480	0.47	0.03	0.50
Anthony Cirelli	24	21-22	1392	0.10	0.23	0.33
Willam Nylander	20	16-17	1297	0.31	-0.08	0.23

Points are not everything as this team has continuously taught us.

 

[thusk]

According to the Athletic Gibson has not asked for a trade and as of now plans to remain a duck

Ducks' Gibson says he hasn't asked for trade

Gibson said he doesn’t have much of a presence on social media and that he first learned of the trade speculation when his agent, Kurt Overhardt, called him.

theathletic.com

Top 20? So a bunch of mid tier teams too? What’s this obsession with removing his results vs specific teams?
If we subtract Mrazek’s awful games to start the season and some against some bottom feeders you’d see he’s a .920 goalie who doesn’t lose.
Do you see how silly that sounds?

If you consider islanders, vegas mid tier team to include those team i considerated as a very good team, thats why i took top 20...if you want just do it with playoff team and i pretty sure it will give a similar result.

 

[mydnyte]

Except that Vasi and Shesterkin were both considered lower rung goalies... Until they weren't.

Vasi was considered a 'franchise' goalie the day he was drafted ...no idea what you are talking about there

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

4 years of Sissons to play 3C at <3M would be awesome. Sissons has put up top 20 defensive impacts among forwards over the last 5 seasons, top 10 if you remove this past season where he had a down year. Tomasino put up almost the same AHL numbers at 19 Nylander did at the same age (1.1 PPG/0.45 GPG for Tomasino, 1.18 PPG/0.48 GPG for Nylander). Tomasino just put up top 20 defensive GAR among forwards this year (13th at 5v5) at 20 years old while also putting up 32 points. Both players shoot right which is a bonus. The 17th pick almost guarantees the Leafs get McGroarty. This is a perfect Nylander proposal for future and present.

If we could land Mcgroarty and Bischel in the draft that would be a huge win.

 

[kb]

According to the Athletic Gibson has not asked for a trade and as of now plans to remain a duck

Ducks' Gibson says he hasn't asked for trade

Gibson said he doesn’t have much of a presence on social media and that he first learned of the trade speculation when his agent, Kurt Overhardt, called him.

theathletic.com

Top 20? So a bunch of mid tier teams too? What’s this obsession with removing his results vs specific teams?
If we subtract Mrazek’s awful games to start the season and some against some bottom feeders you’d see he’s a .920 goalie who doesn’t lose.
Do you see how silly that sounds?

Nope. Not a chance. Doesn't fit his very narrow criteria that throws out Gibson's bad games.

Some people need to wear their "L" and move on to something else.

 

[Gilles Meloche]

Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Robertson - Tavares - Nylander
Engvall - Kampf - Kase
DesLauriers - Ashton-Reese - J. Anderson
Blackwell - Simmonds

Rielly - Liljegren
Gio - Brodie
Muzzin - Lyubushkin
P. Myers

Gibson
Jones

This is what I can see with John Gibson being brought in for some kind of package with a Toronto 1st, Sandin (prefer Sandin over Robertson), Abruzesse, and Mzarek.

DesLauriers and Ashton-Reese signed reinventing the 4th line.

Lyubushkin, Engvall, Blackwell and Kase all being resigned.

Mikheyev unfortunately walking.

Kerfoot and Holl being dealt for picks.

Nick Robertson and Joey Anderson making the jump to the big team.

Philippe Myers being signed as the 7th, salvation project player after Nashville releases him.

Maybe a veteran like Martin Jones or Brayden Holtby (I think Holtby will cost too much though but still would be a nice option) signed as a veteran but a healthy Gibson can play 55-60. Maybe finally get Harri Sateri here as the third goalie.

Really would love to add that top 6 power forward like a JT Miller but I think the big move made will be Gibson.

If I was Dubas I would roll the dice on Gibson but you seem to be in two camps, he has been a product of Dallas Eakins coaching style the past few seasons or he is cooked and will have an anchor contract moving forward. I think he is a top 5/10 league goalie and difference maker.

Top 6 takes a hit with rookie Robertson inserted and Kerfoot dealt. The D is better with a full season of Gio and Liljegren another year under his belt. But the big upgrade is in net.

 

[LeafChief]

I see that Ian Mendes and Jonas Siegel have written a joint piece on the Athletic about the possibility of Murray to Toronto.

Anyone care to post what they discussed? I'm really not interested in trading for him but would sign him as a back-up for under a million if he was bought out.

I used to have an Athletic subscription but cancelled it once Siegel and Mirtle decided to post their podcast on Apple Podcasts again.

 

[Americanadian]

I see that Ian Mendes and Jonas Siegel have written a joint piece on the Athletic about the possibility of Murray to Toronto.

Anyone care to post what they discussed? I'm really not interested in trading for him but would sign him as a back-up for under a million if he was bought out.

I used to have an Athletic subscription but cancelled it once Siegel and Mirtle decided to post their podcast on Apple Podcasts again.

The conclusion was a deal was unlikely. Even with 50% retention Murray is nowhere near worth his cap hit.

 

[LeafChief]

The conclusion was a deal was unlikely. Even with 50% retention Murray is nowhere near worth his cap hit.

Thanks! Glad to hear.

 

[dubplatepressure]

You hit the nail on the head with your own statement. Lower rung goalies are just that.

Yeah but that's not for lack of trying. Another poster said it well - goalies are perhaps the one place where history has shown us that they can be sourced from places like that - obscure 2nd and 3rd tier systems, late bloomers, etc. The SVP leaders from this last season: Andersen, Forsberg, Demko, Campbell, Holtby, Elliot, Fleury, Bobrovsky, Allen. You certainly don't have to draft in the top-60 to acquire decent goaltending.

 

[Lightsol]

Vasi was a first round pick. He was never a lower rung goalie.

How many high rung goalies get waived by their teams, though? In hindsight, Tampa's lucky no one pounced on it...

Vasi was considered a 'franchise' goalie the day he was drafted ...no idea what you are talking about there

So Tampa waived their franchise goalie? That seems... odd.

 

[LeafChief]

How many high rung goalies get waived by their teams, though? In hindsight, Tampa's lucky no one pounced on it...


So Tampa waived their franchise goalie? That seems... odd.

Vasilevskiy was on waivers?

 

[kb]

Vasilevskiy was on waivers?

Never.

 

[Lightsol]

Never.

Yes, he was. In fact, we had a whole discussion in this very forum about whether the Leafs should grab him at that time. But the consensus was that he was too unproven for the Leafs to ride at that time.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Yes, he was. In fact, we had a whole discussion in this very forum about whether the Leafs should grab him at that time. But the consensus was that he was too unproven for the Leafs to ride at that time.

Vasilevsky was never on waivers. Neither was Shestyerkin.

Binnington was on waivers.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

Yes, he was. In fact, we had a whole discussion in this very forum about whether the Leafs should grab him at that time. But the consensus was that he was too unproven for the Leafs to ride at that time.

No he wasn’t. Tampa put Nabokov on waivers to call up Vasi.