Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 - Post Deadline

[Jimmy Firecracker]

But he has a NTC.

I have a feeling we’re on that list.

He could always waive of course, but it’s always a safe bet that a player on an American team with an NTC or NMC has all 7 Canadian teams on it.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

To Toronto-
Gibson (1.5 million retained)
Comtois

To Ducks-
Mrazek
Holl
Robertson
1st Round Pick

Reasonable given the amount of retention on Gibson. I would have to be convinced about Comtois to give up 2 premium assets though.

 

[Lightsol]

Kassian would be a great 4th line fit for 1mill

Kassian's a headcase. No thanks.

 

[Lightsol]

Certain posters keep saying I hate Marner.... I dont hate him...

"I don't hate Marner, I just invade every topic discussing the team to complain about him and suggest he be moved!"

 

[Nylanderthal]

It wouldn't be horrible.

Who knows what management thinks about him though?
Which scouts, unless it was the recently fired goalie coach, thought this was a good move?

Seems like quite the commitment to Mrazek.

3 years at under $4m is a “commitment”? I always viewed him as a stop gap or at best an insurance policy vs. striking out this summer in net.

 

[Brobust]

A 1st and 2nd is the max I'd want them to go in a Gibson trade.

Add a borderline NHL ready bottom six player like Holmberg and a mid round pick to take on Mrazek in the deal.

Gibson + John Moore

for

25th OA, 2023 2nd, Holmberg, Mrazek

 

[Dreakmur]

3 years at under $4m is a “commitment”? I always viewed him as a stop gap or at best an insurance policy vs. striking out this summer in net.

It was an atrocious signing.

 

[Nylanderthal]

It was an atrocious signing.

It worked out that way last year, petr still has a long track record of being league average as a baseline and was the first FA goalie signed last offseason, it certainly wasn’t done in a vacuum.
If the options are trading a pile of futures and assets for a question like Gibson or signing a reliable 1b and rolling mrazek/1b and keeping good assets in the chamber and banking on a mrazek bounce back year it’s not 100% cut and dry imo, and both hold significant risk

 

[ULF_55]

3 years at under $4m is a “commitment”? I always viewed him as a stop gap or at best an insurance policy vs. striking out this summer in net.

You don't think that is a commitment for a Mrazek calibre keeper?

For a stop gap, insurance policy that is substantial.

 

[Nylanderthal]

You don't think that is a commitment for a Mrazek calibre keeper?

For a stop gap, insurance policy that is substantial.

I think it’s mid range salary & term for a middle class goalie.
If he played to his potential or even career norms no one would even care. He had a bad season that was only 20 games, in fact he looked like the guy we expected when signed in his last stretch of the season and was truly only awful in the beginning

 

[Magic Man]

John Gibson (1.4M retained - 5M per for 5 years)

for

Petr Mrazek + Nick Robertson or Topi Niemela + 25th Overall Pick + Conditional Pick (If the Leafs win the stanley cup in one of the first two years of Gibson's deal - The Ducks get the next available 2nd rd. pick the Leafs own)

The way I would look at Gibson is I would bring him in for at least 2 years to give him a chance to earn his place in Toronto. If he doesn't after 2 years they only have a contract in the 5M range for 3 years to try and pawn off in a worst case scenario. With retention and bad money contracts I'm sure there is a solution to that potential problem. If you try to get out from under him after a bad first year, like they're doing with Mrazek it may not work out so well from a value perspective and they're investing a lot here.

Anaheim get their haul of youth that they probably feel they need to get for this asset and they don't have to shop for a goalie in FA. Mrazek and Stolarz should get them through the next couple years as they rebuild. I'm hesitant to put in Robertson because I think he will be a top-6 NHL player. But, it is a complete boom bust trade. If Gibson returns to form in Toronto, it will be a worthwhile sacrifice. If they don't want to retain to make it more attractive for Toronto, they will have to accept a lesser prospect like Roni Hirvonen instead and drop the conditional pick.

 

[Brobust]

John Gibson (1.4M retained - 5M per for 5 years)

for

Petr Mrazek + Nick Robertson or Topi Niemela + 25th Overall Pick + Conditional Pick (If the Leafs win the stanley cup in one of the first two years of Gibson's deal - The Ducks get the next available 2nd rd. pick the Leafs own)

The way I would look at Gibson is I would bring him in for at least 2 years to give him a chance to earn his place in Toronto. If he doesn't after 2 years they only have a contract in the 5M range for 3 years to try and pawn off in a worst case scenario. With retention and bad money contracts I'm sure there is a solution to that potential problem. If you try to get out from under him after a bad first year, like they're doing with Mrazek it may not work out so well from a value perspective and they're investing a lot here.

Anaheim get their haul of youth that they probably feel they need to get for this asset and they don't have to shop for a goalie in FA. Mrazek and Stolarz should get them through the next couple years as they rebuild.
I'm hesitant to put in Robertson because I think he will be top-6 NHL player. But, it is a complete boom bust trade. If Gibson returns to form in Toronto, it will be a worthwhile sacrifice. If they don't want to retain to make it more attractive for Toronto, they will have to accept a lesser prospect like Roni Hirvonen instead and drop the conditional pick.

John Gibson is basically the OEL version of goalies.

Looking back the OEL trade, Arizona took on $12M in cap, retained on OEL, sent a top 6 forward back for the 9th pick in the draft.

Toronto will send $3.8M in cap and likely doesn't ask for any of Anaheim's top 6 forwards.

So, 25th OA + 2nd + Holmberg should be where they draw the line. There's no way they can include their 2nd best F prospect and best D prospect in this deal.

 

[SprDaVE]

John Gibson (1.4M retained - 5M per for 5 years)

for

Petr Mrazek + Nick Robertson or Topi Niemela + 25th Overall Pick + Conditional Pick (If the Leafs win the stanley cup in one of the first two years of Gibson's deal - The Ducks get the next available 2nd rd. pick the Leafs own)

The way I would look at Gibson is I would bring him in for at least 2 years to give him a chance to earn his place in Toronto. If he doesn't after 2 years they only have a contract in the 5M range for 3 years to try and pawn off in a worst case scenario. With retention and bad money contracts I'm sure there is a solution to that potential problem. If you try to get out from under him after a bad first year, like they're doing with Mrazek it may not work out so well from a value perspective and they're investing a lot here.

Anaheim get their haul of youth that they probably feel they need to get for this asset and they don't have to shop for a goalie in FA. Mrazek and Stolarz should get them through the next couple years as they rebuild. I'm hesitant to put in Robertson because I think he will be a top-6 NHL player. But, it is a complete boom bust trade. If Gibson returns to form in Toronto, it will be a worthwhile sacrifice. If they don't want to retain to make it more attractive for Toronto, they will have to accept a lesser prospect like Roni Hirvonen instead and drop the conditional pick.

On paper this is probably something that gets Anaheim to quickly accept. The retention makes this really interesting, not sure Anaheim would do it on top of taking on Mrazek but if we give up a top prospect AND a first round pick, I think this is the very least they'd have to do.

I can't imagine if roles were reversed how difficult it would be for the Leafs to trade a 6.4M goaltender that can't even get up to .905% over the last 3 seasons regardless of how bad the team is/was. We'd get laughed at in every news/fan outlet in existence.

The thing with Gibson is that it's all about the hope and prayer he's actually still good. This is very much the Matt Murray dilemma in a way. Matt Murray had better stats when he was traded and more playoff experience.

I'd rather just sign Kuemper than to give up a ton of future assets for a big risk. I think you can get similar results with much cheaper goaltenders as well.

 

[hamzarocks]

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Would anyone be upset with this lineup next year? (Don't worry about the teams in the trades more than the value; I just picked a few teams that make some sense; 5 picks in 2022 including 3 in the first 3 rounds; all 7 rounds covered in both 2023 and 2024 unless ARI takes the 2023 3rd)

Holl -> Dronov
Spezza -> Tierney
Simmonds -> Robertson (or Steeves/Abruzzese/Holmberg/McMann/etc.)
Mikheyev -> Lazar
Kerfoot -> Anderson

Giordano rotates in for injuries and to give Muzzin some rest. Almost 1.8 mill to play with in case anyone needs some extra money or you want to upgrade one of those 5 spots, and that is without moving Muzzin or Mrazek.

Primary call ups: Dahlstrom, Kral, Fitzgerald, one RD UFA, Woll, Kallgren, Clifford, Holmberg, Steeves, Abruzzese, McMann, maybe Douglas, and maybe one or two veteran UFA forwards.

Joey Anderson isn't a lock for the 4th line so expecting him to be playing with 88 and 91 is not something I hope we go with

We need a goal scoring LW. Someone who has a good shot and can finish chances.

If we're running the same core, coaching, and goalies, we should at least add one sniping type player who can be a lethal x-factor either on the PP or by providing secondary scoring when any of the big 4 are not producing in the playoffs

We need to move mrazek, give Woll the backup spot and then use the 3M + 800k when we send down a winger in that lineup to add a scoring winger.

Can be Kessel ( he should come at 3M or less)
Rielly Smith at 4M would be a good option
Trade for Hoffman retained down to 3.5M-4M

 

[hamzarocks]

I know everyone hates it but I absolutely love the idea of trading Kerfoot for futures and replacing his offense with Kessel at 1-2 mill on a very short term deal.

This is a cup winning move

I know we haven't won a round yet but Phil Kessel is a winner

You get him and he'll produce. When marner/Nylander have their off moments he's the guy who can step it up and create.

3rd line wing and give him the 1PP spot for a few games.

Dude was running some nice PPs with Bozak, JVR, Lupul, etc (quite good players) but now he'd have Matthews + 1 of MM/WN, and JT

Kessl passing to matthews and taking passes with his finishing would be deadly.

Really would make me more interested fir next year if he's a guy we add.

 

[Zero1]

Bidding war for Gibson probably comes down to the Oilers/Leafs.

Oilers were close to getting Kuemper last off-season and the cost for him was very high even as a rental.

I could see them overpaying for him.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

It wouldn't be horrible.

Who knows what management thinks about him though?
Which scouts, unless it was the recently fired goalie coach, thought this was a good move?

Seems like quite the commitment to Mrazek.

I have a feeling they might wait and see what the new goalie coach says about Mrazek before they make any real buyout decisions. If the new coach says he can get back to what he was and last year was a fluke...they just might hang on to him.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Nashville is a weird team to trade with. They are super mediocre and they don't seem like they are committed to rebuilding or going for it, just content to keeping it on the level. They have a ton of cap space and very little to re-signing in terms of RFAs this off-season.

Trenin is starting to trend upwards and a 17 goal season while shooting 13% isn't completely out of line. I do think they would have interest in Holl but I don't see them trading Trenin anytime soon. They need more skill/scorers.

I also think they are a team that could look into Mrazek. They will look for a back-up and Mrazek could be an ok stop-gap.

I agree on all accounts.

 

[OVO16]

If we talking Nashville, would like Luke Kunin. Especially as a Kerfoot replacement

 

[aingefan]

John Gibson is basically the OEL version of goalies.

Looking back the OEL trade, Arizona took on $12M in cap, retained on OEL, sent a top 6 forward back for the 9th pick in the draft.

Toronto will send $3.8M in cap and likely doesn't ask for any of Anaheim's top 6 forwards.

So, 25th OA + 2nd + Holmberg should be where they draw the line. There's no way they can include their 2nd best F prospect and best D prospect in this deal.

I just can’t come around to taking on *that* contract AND expending good assets for a guy who has only been as good as Mrazek the last three years and not as good as Jack.

 

[aingefan]

I wouldn’t mind shuffling up the forward group with some mid-level types if some salary space gets freed up.
I liked Willy with Kampf. Either Engvall or Holmberg on the other flank? Maybe Rikard Rackell if the contract is reasonable.
Let JT mentor some kids. NickRob played well with him. Rotate through Steeves and Joey Anderson. Maybe buy low winger/ C’s to compete - Acciari? Blackwell even.
When they’re not with JT, they can form an energy offensive fourth line.

 

[Torontonian]

No way the Leafs would take that risk with Gibson. Maybe Dubas is desperate enough though. Not worth it, imo.

Reeks of "someone else problem" if Dubas gets him and then gets fired.

 

[thusk]

John Gibson is basically the OEL version of goalies.

Looking back the OEL trade, Arizona took on $12M in cap, retained on OEL, sent a top 6 forward back for the 9th pick in the draft.

Toronto will send $3.8M in cap and likely doesn't ask for any of Anaheim's top 6 forwards.

So, 25th OA + 2nd + Holmberg should be where they draw the line. There's no way they can include their 2nd best F prospect and best D prospect in this deal.

Just for fun, do you think Gellebuyck or Demko was better than Gibson? If yes how far?

 

[Brobust]

Just for fun, do you think Gellebuyck or Demko was better than Gibson? If yes how far?

They played on teams just as bad defensively as Gibson and put up better numbers. Should I pretend that it doesn't mean anything because someone said Gibson was top 5 about half a decade ago?

 

[Future]

Getting Gibson is a no brainer. He’s been an elite goalie his entire life and possesses elite traits.

You’re not winning a cup with Ville Husso or whatever mediocre goaltending names are being thrown around on here.

I would also kick tires on Carter Hart. Philly is an absolute mess.