Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 - Post Deadline

[BackPassChampions]

Looks like Gibson is a legitimate option now.

But he has a NTC.

I have a feeling we’re on that list.

 

[ULF_55]

Would take too much time to have it, the only we can see..

Complete Season he was playing with tavares he was at 2.08

2 complete season with matthews he was at 2.07...

So he didn't get more assist because hes playing with matthews over Jt

I struck out trying to find that data as well.

I'm sure it has been presented, so I'm sure some Stats guy would have access to that. Might be a pay for use though.

 

[Brobust]

Just curious where HF stands on Mrzaek?

-Trade an asset (picks/prospect) to dump him somewhere
-Keep him and play him as a tandem again next season
-Try something creative? I.e. Trade our 1st round back 10 spots to dump him somewhere. Or trade him with an asset to add a player like we did in the Ritchie trade?
-Buyout

I'm comfortable with a buyout. The amount is small enough that management can prepare around it.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Kuzmenko meeting with Oilers and Canucks this week and according to TSN with 2 clubs in the US also in the running. I think he could be costly. I wonder if this means Oilers are moving on from Kane.

Kane has a pretty high price and I don’t believe Edmonton is his top destination choice.

 

[ULF_55]

I'm comfortable with a buyout. The amount is small enough that management can prepare around it.

It wouldn't be horrible.

Who knows what management thinks about him though?
Which scouts, unless it was the recently fired goalie coach, thought this was a good move?

Seems like quite the commitment to Mrazek.

 

[ULF_55]

Kane has a pretty high price and I don’t believe Edmonton is his top destination choice.

Knowing his reputation, I can't see the GWN (Great White North) being on his lifestyle choice.

 

[Legion34]

But he has a NTC.

I have a feeling we’re on that list.

Personally I don’t think we are on the list. He came here and played in the OHL voluntarily.

He wants to win.

Most importantly he has been rumoured to us for a while including Friedman. And no one has said we weren’t a team he would go to

We apparently were on mansons list. Same team. Same gm. I’m pretty sure. But not 100% that If he wasn’t willing to come here we would have found out about it

 

[BertCorbeau]

My preference is someone younger and a couple of years from the NHL.

There's really no space on this team for a struggling 22 year old.

I'd trade Sandin for a pick in the 15-20 range or someone like Brock Faber.

I think there can be if the Leafs have the proper support.

I.e. a line of Nylander-Tavares-Dach

But it’s a tight fit. I like the idea though in theory.

 

[LeafSteel]

Iafallo could be a good target in a 1 for 1 deal for Muzzin. Iafallo is #3 in TOI/GP on LA but they are openly looking for a RS scorer to put on the top line (Forsberg). Moore is their 2LW and that line probably won't be broken up. He has 3 years left at 4M. Leafs take on an extra year of term, LA take on 1.625M in extra cap space for 2 years.

I’ve wanted Iafallo from a couple of TDL’s a couple years ago, before he resigned with the Kings.

 

[Antropovsky]

Marner last 4 season
#1 in NHL on assist at even strenght/60 minutes player
#1 on primary assist/60 played

But sure he sucks

I've been watching the Leafs since 2000, I don't care about season stats. I want to see a cup win.

Since signing his 11 million contract, Marner has a grand total of 2 goals and 16 points in 19 post season games. In the Montreal series and the Tampa Bay series there was at least 4 elimination games and Marner caused 2 of the goals that lost us those games. Both plays were selfish/cute plays that had risk involved. He also didn't even register a shot in 25 minutes in game 7 vs Tampa.

I think Marner has looked overwhelmed offensively in all but one postseason series. His skillset relies too much on cute plays that dry right up in the postseason and I certainly think he is afraid of physical hockey. Each year i post the same thing and each year i keep getting told next year, next year on this board.....

Certain posters keep saying I hate Marner.... I dont hate him... I dont hate Marner, I want to see a cup and currently we have large holes we can't afford to fill. I would be ecstatic if Marner either a) lived up to his contract or b) was paid less.

Don't know why people take such offense to me wanting to pursue more balance to the roster rather than a 11 million dollar, tiny winger who has paced 8 goals and 69 points in the post season since signing his contract. I think there is definitely a good argument for someone to think his money could be better spent elsewhere.

 

[BertCorbeau]

I've been watching the Leafs since 2000, I don't care about season stats. I want to see a cup win.

Since signing his 11 million contract, Marner has a grand total of 2 goals and 16 points in 19 post season games. In the Montreal series and the Tampa Bay series there was at least 4 elimination games and Marner caused 2 of the goals that lost us those games. Both plays were selfish/cute plays that had risk involved. He also didn't even register a shot in 25 minutes in game 7 vs Tampa.

I think Marner has looked overwhelmed offensively in all but one postseason series. His skillset relies too much on cute plays that dry right up in the postseason and I certainly think he is afraid of physical hockey. Each year i post the same thing and each year i keep getting told next year, next year on this board.....

Certain posters keep saying I hate Marner.... I dont hate him... I hate his contract because he can't live up to it.

If you’re saying he’s not a playoff performer why are you cutting down his sample size in half? That just seems like your cherry picking to suit your narrative.

It’s an argument flaw

 

[Ziggdiezan]

That team is significantly worse than the team we ices last season. I’d be pissed if that’s what Dubas comes up with.

Unfortunately I would expect a worse team next year regardless of what Dubas does (barring a big trade). Lots of depth players they won't be able to resign, limited cap space due to raises to guys like Rielly, whoever plays in net, Sandin, Lily etc. And the looming extensions of the Nylander and Matthews coming up shortly

 

[stickty111]

Looks like Gibson is a legitimate option now.

assumimg Helle isn't available, I am going after Gibson if it's a reasonable cost. I get the risks but the reward is worth it imo.

 

[leafsfan5]

assumimg Helle isn't available, I am going after Gibson if it's a reasonable cost. I get the risks but the reward is worth it imo.

It's the ultimate high risk, high reward scenario

If he returns to form we become arguably the best team in the NHL. If he doesn't we're stuck with a huge contract and the contending window probably closes.

Sometimes you need to take a big risk to win

 

[kb]

It's the ultimate high risk, high reward scenario

If he returns to form we become arguably the best team in the NHL. If he doesn't we're stuck with a huge contract and the contending window probably closes.

Sometimes you need to take a big risk to win

This is not the time to be flipping a coin.....

 

[Antropovsky]

If you’re saying he’s not a playoff performer why are you cutting down his sample size in half? That just seems like your cherry picking to suit your narrative.

It’s an argument flaw

Cutting in half? You mean the stats I put after this statement "since signing his 11 million dollar contract"?

I was making a point about his production since taking up about 15% of the team cap space.

Besides even if you factor in all his postseason games... its still pretty much the same:
Career projection: 14 goals and 69 points
Post 11 million contract projection: 8 goals and 69 points.

So im not sure how you can call it cherry picking.

I think most would put more focus on his most recent 3 seasons than first, but again the point totals don't move up - goals/assist just move around.

 

[BertCorbeau]

This is not the time to be flipping a coin.....

It might be…

Consider the rise of Sandin and Liljegren, along with Robertson and Knies. You might be able to have some effective value to count on that allows some risks.

At the same time Muzzin and Brodie each have 2 years left. And while Matthews, Marner, and Nylander needing deals in the shorter term Tavares’ contract will has only a few years left.

The long and short is that the Leafs don’t have a lot of long term deals on the books.

 

[SprDaVE]

Just curious where HF stands on Mrzaek?

-Trade an asset (picks/prospect) to dump him somewhere
-Keep him and play him as a tandem again next season
-Try something creative? I.e. Trade our 1st round back 10 spots to dump him somewhere. Or trade him with an asset to add a player like we did in the Ritchie trade?
-Buyout

Retain up to 1M and that should open up a decent amount of teams interested. If that doesn't then do something similar to the Ritchie dump, which should be very doable.

Very much avoid buyout. 4 years of dead cap space is not good. If there isn't a single team interested, then keep him and hope it works out.

 

[kb]

It might be…

Consider the rise of Sandin and Liljegren, along with Robertson and Knies. You might be able to have some effective value to count on that allows some risks.

At the same time Muzzin and Brodie each have 2 years left. And while Matthews, Marner, and Nylander needing deals in the shorter term Tavares’ contract will has only a few years left.

The long and short is that the Leafs don’t have a lot of long term deals on the books.

The issue is that you have to know before you make that deal, because along with the cap space that won't be there for resignings, the draft/prospect pool will take a hit, further compounding the issues moving forward.

If he's coming over at $6.4 million long term and puts up more sub-Mrazek numbers like he has been since pretty much the moment he signed his big money deal, then the window is closed and it's time to rebuild.

So no, there is never a time to roll the dice on something this important at this stage.

 

[Jozay]

No way the Leafs would take that risk with Gibson. Maybe Dubas is desperate enough though. Not worth it, imo.

 

[ACC1224]

It might be…

Consider the rise of Sandin and Liljegren, along with Robertson and Knies. You might be able to have some effective value to count on that allows some risks.

At the same time Muzzin and Brodie each have 2 years left. And while Matthews, Marner, and Nylander needing deals in the shorter term Tavares’ contract will has only a few years left.

The long and short is that the Leafs don’t have a lot of long term deals on the books.

Yep, time is starting to run out. If there is a time for a risky move it's probably now.

 

[SprDaVE]

No way the Leafs would take that risk with Gibson. Maybe Dubas is desperate enough though. Not worth it, imo.

Sounds like the Leafs want to target lesser known goaltenders with more affordable contracts regardless.

I think Gibson should be a target but the price of acquisition should be much lower than what people think. I am not sure why Gibson has a premium price to acquire.

 

[nuck]

Knowing his reputation, I can't see the GWN (Great White North) being on his lifestyle choice.

He's a BC boy though. Winny and Buffalo are bleak markets. If he sees Edmonton as the same then maybe its back to Vancouver (if they like him more than Boeser). He might also be posturing about leaving to get Edmonton to be more forthcoming as he won't find a better spot than beside McDavid. I think he is still suspect enough that he won't get the money he did in San Jose anywhere else so he will be squeezing what he can. A very interesting story to follow, especially if he is still around after Gaudreau and Forsberg are signed.

 

[as Pure as Evil]

i wanted to draft him, but snag Vladar from calgary, could be a cost controlled move, wonder if they buy out monahan if we are able to pick him up and rebuild him like weve done to countless others in the past 5 years

 

[Avilaj07]

To Toronto-
Gibson (1.5 million retained)
Comtois

To Ducks-
Mrazek
Holl
Robertson
1st Round Pick