Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 - Post Deadline

[WTFMAN99]

Appreciate the detailed response. I absolutely get your views and don't disagree with your line of thinking. I just don't wanna see Sandin eating popcorn up in the box most nights of the week. I want to go forward with him as a regular, or try and capitalize on an asset

Yes, if Keefe tells Dubas he has no intention of getting Sandin in, do what you gotta do.

 

[ULF_55]

Even this goal that everyone lauded Marner for was more a credit to Matthews.... Matthews aggressively backchecks helping to physically strip Tampa forwards of the puck at center ice, the puck stripped by Matthews, is recovered by Bunting who makes the great play to Marner who just needs to skate to be on a 2-1. Meanwhile Matthews doesn't skip a beat from stripping the puck and immediately pivots onto offense and gets Marners rebound and scores. Marners contribution? A low shot to the goalies right pad. Again incredible work by Matthews.

When is the season opener?

 

[Antropovsky]

When is the season opener?

Apparently after we "improve" our team by trading our 30 goal 80 point 7 million dollar winger who has 10 goals and 19 points in 19 post season games.

 

[thusk]

Yet the former NHL player broadcaster says nothing about it being difficult?

For sure the best passer at even strenght/60 minutes played of last 4 season and best on primary assist too but youre right he just make easy play... or you will tell me he just get free point of matthews but do you remember than under Babcock, marner was playing with Tavares and during the last complete season the only season they played together he get the same kind of stats... how can you explain that? In reality, since marner was playing with Matthews, he just upgraded the number of goal he scored...he still have the same kind of assist... oh JT should be the reason why... and you will probably telling me than Matthews and JT are not the reason why Nylander get as much points, probably just working with Marner....

But youre right, Marner is just a bad player who actualy first on assist since 4 season

 

[Kiwi]

I just don't know any proven younger guys that can eat up 18+ minutes a night, play the right side, run a PP, and play with physicality that're sitting there likely to be had for sub 2 million. If there's any I absolutely agree, let's go that route.

I don't know how much NJ you have watched but PK isn't capable of doing most of that either nowadays

He's a #6 so I wouldn't give him 18+ minutes, I can think of at least 5 guys I'd rather have on the PP (Rielly, Liljegren, Sandin, Giordano and Muzzin)

Also physicality doesn't mean much if you can't make the play in a timely manner

He was a brilliant player to watch but you can see time and the league has taken a toll on his body

 

[Rielly4]

Id rather get Lybushkin back as the #6 than sign PK.

 

[fahad203]

Id rather get Lybushkin back as the #6 than sign PK.

Yes but we need an annual home town boy to come home
Makes for a great story

CBC will get to have multiple home town heroes segments..... Subban being from Rexdale vs Bunting from Scarborough

 

[ULF_55]

Id rather get Lybushkin back as the #6 than sign PK.

I'd be happy if they signed Lyubushkin for 3 years at around 1 per. Give him a guaranteed contract over several years and he might take it rather than do another 1 year deal.

Every contract he's had has been 1 year, maybe he'd be happy with some guarantee, and even throw in some NTC , but not MNC. He could be buried for most of his deal, and maybe his family would be happy. Give him a signing bonus to help buy a house in the stupid Toronto market.

 

[New Liskeard]

Look, I know Nylander is probably staying, and I don't have a huge issue with that (however, I would want to see a few others traded in that scenario), but I'm going to do a Nylander trade for fun.

Nylander (Tor) for Kakko & Kravtsov (NYR)

Why Toronto does it:
-Money wise, both Kakko and Kravtsov are RFA's, but, at this point in time, I imagine both would be bridged. There would be savings. How much? Don't know. Enough though.
-Both Kakko and Kravtsov were drafted too high. That said, Kakko is starting to show glimpses of what he can become. At worst, he's still going to be a decent top-6 winger. He's also 6'3 and has acknolwedged that he will start using his size more. Could be a good skill/size combo type of player.
-Kravtsov had a good year in the KHL. Definitely not the star he was expected to be, but he's turning into a net-crashing, north-south meathead. We need some of those guys! Also, 6'3 and solid.
-Both Kravtsov and Kakko "slow the game down" and Kravtsov goes into traffic. They can be, potentially, good wingers for Tavares.
-You lose Nylander, but you have two cost-controlled guys who are ready to step into the line-up and may have a break out year (Kakko more than Kravtsov)

Why Rangers do it:
-Socko mentioned that the Rangers are missing stick-handling and good pass-receivers. Lots of puck bobbling and poor puck control. I noticed this too. Nylander helps solves the problem right away.
-Salary-wise, I think they can afford it. (with some moves)
-Rangers seem to be entering win-now mode and may be open to this.
-Rangers have some good wingers in the system who can replace the guys they lost (Othmann).

Nylander for Kakko and Schneider

 

[Gallagbi]

Id rather get Lybushkin back as the #6 than sign PK.

I think Subban would be a lower cost option (who I would avoid outright even at league minimum)

 

[Jozay]

Subban is washed.

 

[Stephen]

Yes but we need an annual home town boy to come home
Makes for a great story

CBC will get to have multiple home town heroes segments..... Subban being from Rexdale vs Bunting from Scarborough

Maybe we can just sign Andrew Cogliano for the 4th line and call it a day.

 

[Stephen]

Look, I know Nylander is probably staying, and I don't have a huge issue with that (however, I would want to see a few others traded in that scenario), but I'm going to do a Nylander trade for fun.

Nylander (Tor) for Kakko & Kravtsov (NYR)

Why Toronto does it:
-Money wise, both Kakko and Kravtsov are RFA's, but, at this point in time, I imagine both would be bridged. There would be savings. How much? Don't know. Enough though.
-Both Kakko and Kravtsov were drafted too high. That said, Kakko is starting to show glimpses of what he can become. At worst, he's still going to be a decent top-6 winger. He's also 6'3 and has acknolwedged that he will start using his size more. Could be a good skill/size combo type of player.
-Kravtsov had a good year in the KHL. Definitely not the star he was expected to be, but he's turning into a net-crashing, north-south meathead. We need some of those guys! Also, 6'3 and solid.
-Both Kravtsov and Kakko "slow the game down" and Kravtsov goes into traffic. They can be, potentially, good wingers for Tavares.
-You lose Nylander, but you have two cost-controlled guys who are ready to step into the line-up and may have a break out year (Kakko more than Kravtsov)

Why Rangers do it:
-Socko mentioned that the Rangers are missing stick-handling and good pass-receivers. Lots of puck bobbling and poor puck control. I noticed this too. Nylander helps solves the problem right away.
-Salary-wise, I think they can afford it. (with some moves)
-Rangers seem to be entering win-now mode and may be open to this.
-Rangers have some good wingers in the system who can replace the guys they lost (Othmann).

I feel like K'Andre Miller would be the key guy you'd want back.

 

[Antropovsky]

For sure the best passer at even strenght/60 minutes played of last 4 season and best on primary assist too but youre right he just make easy play... or you will tell me he just get free point of matthews but do you remember than under Babcock, marner was playing with Tavares and during the last complete season the only season they played together he get the same kind of stats... how can you explain that? In reality, since marner was playing with Matthews, he just upgraded the number of goal he scored...he still have the same kind of assist... oh JT should be the reason why... and you will probably telling me than Matthews and JT are not the reason why Nylander get as much points, probably just working with Marner....

But youre right, Marner is just a bad player who actualy first on assist since 4 season

I don't know how to read this..... can you write it so it make sense and I will respond.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

Id rather get Lybushkin back as the #6 than sign PK.

PK can move the puck AND play the PK though. He's not great but probably still better than Boosh.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Would anyone be upset with this lineup next year? (Don't worry about the teams in the trades more than the value; I just picked a few teams that make some sense; 5 picks in 2022 including 3 in the first 3 rounds; all 7 rounds covered in both 2023 and 2024 unless ARI takes the 2023 3rd)

Holl -> Dronov
Spezza -> Tierney
Simmonds -> Robertson (or Steeves/Abruzzese/Holmberg/McMann/etc.)
Mikheyev -> Lazar
Kerfoot -> Anderson

Giordano rotates in for injuries and to give Muzzin some rest. Almost 1.8 mill to play with in case anyone needs some extra money or you want to upgrade one of those 5 spots, and that is without moving Muzzin or Mrazek.

Primary call ups: Dahlstrom, Kral, Fitzgerald, one RD UFA, Woll, Kallgren, Clifford, Holmberg, Steeves, Abruzzese, McMann, maybe Douglas, and maybe one or two veteran UFA forwards.

 

[Dreakmur]

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Would anyone be upset with this lineup next year? (Don't worry about the teams in the trades more than the value; I just picked a few teams that make some sense; 5 picks in 2022 including 3 in the first 3 rounds; all 7 rounds covered in both 2023 and 2024 unless ARI takes the 2023 3rd)

Holl -> Dronov
Spezza -> Tierney
Simmonds -> Robertson (or Steeves/Abruzzese/Holmberg/McMann/etc.)
Mikheyev -> Lazar
Kerfoot -> Anderson

Giordano rotates in for injuries and to give Muzzin some rest. Almost 1.8 mill to play with in case anyone needs some extra money or you want to upgrade one of those 5 spots, and that is without moving Muzzin or Mrazek.

Primary call ups: Dahlstrom, Kral, Fitzgerald, one RD UFA, Woll, Kallgren, Clifford, Holmberg, Steeves, Abruzzese, McMann, maybe Douglas, and maybe one or two veteran UFA forwards.

That team is significantly worse than the team we ices last season. I’d be pissed if that’s what Dubas comes up with.

 

[thusk]

I don't know how to read this..... can you write it so it make sense and I will respond.

Marner last 4 season
#1 in NHL on assist at even strenght/60 minutes player
#1 on primary assist/60 played

But sure he sucks

 

[Nylander88]

I don't know how much NJ you have watched but PK isn't capable of doing most of that either nowadays

He's a #6 so I wouldn't give him 18+ minutes, I can think of at least 5 guys I'd rather have on the PP (Rielly, Liljegren, Sandin, Giordano and Muzzin)

Also physicality doesn't mean much if you can't make the play in a timely manner

He was a brilliant player to watch but you can see time and the league has taken a toll on his body

I won't act like I watch a bunch of Devils hockey, cuz I don't. But he had one of his lowest ice time averages last year at 18:18 . Prior years he's averaged 22+ minutes a night. The guy isn't being used as a #6 with those minutes. So maybe being used as a #6 here, with less minutes, on a better team, at a hometown discount...would be worth kicking the tires on. I figure it won't be a popular opinion, but I think he could add a lot to this team energy wise while still giving us solid minutes for cheap

 

[WTFMAN99]

Do you think we could move Kerfoot and/or Holl for Yakov Trenin? Plus/minus assets.

Pretty physical, hasn't had the best zone starts either, so CF % isn't bad.

Popped 20 goals, more of a shooter than a passer which frankly, I don't mind in our bottom 6 given the minescule contributions in the playoffs last few years.

 

[kb]

I feel like K'Andre Miller would be the key guy you'd want back.

Well sure, only if you totally ignore the fact that the Leafs are stacked with LD and the Rangers are weak at LD (and neither team has any appetite or desire for this deal).

 

[Stephen]

Well sure, only if you totally ignore the fact that the Leafs are stacked with LD and the Rangers are weak at LD (and neither team has any appetite or desire for this deal).

Not if Muzzin and a couple others are flushed out in a retool.

 

[ULF_55]

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Would anyone be upset with this lineup next year? (Don't worry about the teams in the trades more than the value; I just picked a few teams that make some sense; 5 picks in 2022 including 3 in the first 3 rounds; all 7 rounds covered in both 2023 and 2024 unless ARI takes the 2023 3rd)

Holl -> Dronov
Spezza -> Tierney
Simmonds -> Robertson (or Steeves/Abruzzese/Holmberg/McMann/etc.)
Mikheyev -> Lazar
Kerfoot -> Anderson

Giordano rotates in for injuries and to give Muzzin some rest. Almost 1.8 mill to play with in case anyone needs some extra money or you want to upgrade one of those 5 spots, and that is without moving Muzzin or Mrazek.

Primary call ups: Dahlstrom, Kral, Fitzgerald, one RD UFA, Woll, Kallgren, Clifford, Holmberg, Steeves, Abruzzese, McMann, maybe Douglas, and maybe one or two veteran UFA forwards.

It might not look as strong as last year, but it's putting the focus on the management and scouting of the team.

If they cannot get a couple players out of their system, and we aren't talking about 18-20 year olds here, then they have some house cleaning to do.

 

[ULF_55]

Marner last 4 season
#1 in NHL on assist at even strenght/60 minutes player
#1 on primary assist/60 played

But sure he sucks

Is there a chart showing where those assists come from?

marner to Rocket?
marner to best goal scorer in the league?

 

[nuck]

Do you think we could move Kerfoot and/or Holl for Yakov Trenin? Plus/minus assets.

Pretty physical, hasn't had the best zone starts either, so CF % isn't bad.

Popped 20 goals, more of a shooter than a passer which frankly, I don't mind in our bottom 6 given the minescule contributions in the playoffs last few years.

I'm not sure Trennin could duplicate the same success under Keefe. It isn't the lineup that is preventing the club from playing with any kind of grind, that just isn't SK's game. Now if a player threw a ton of hits and had blistering speed I think he could find a place on this club but thats not Trennin. Many would say that the team needs exactly what he brings but I don't know that Dubas would agree. They apparently need mostly killer instinct and more physicality has never actually been mentioned.

"Sometimes it is development from within. Sometimes it is just the same players going out, trying the same thing, and getting a different result." This doesn't sound like they are looking for anything fresh, just fresh versions of what they have already had. There will be changes but I don't see Trennins or Jeannots coming in, as they don't play Leaf hockey.