Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 - Post Deadline

[kb]

We're getting back a much worse Nylander, an Engvall-impact guy (worse cause Iafallo puts up similar offense but no PK) and a Holl. Roy and Iafallo are easily replaceable in UFA, I'd rather get some liquid futures back for Nylander and just sign equal impact guys if they're really needed.

Iafallo and Roy alone have a higher combined caphit than Nylander, Kempe doesn't have a contract right now but I can't see it being lower than 5 mil. 12 million+ for those 3 and paying Nylander + 2 prospects for the privilege is a great way to make the team worse, less cap flexible, and have less futures to spend on trading for actual impact players.

I mean....I'm sorry you had to type this out.

Insane.

 

[Nylander88]

I'm hoping we find a new home for Holl, and replace him with PK Subban. I think you'd see a very passionate player if he was in the Blue and White. Even though he's fallen off from his mid 20s, he's still been a minute muncher. He'll get in there physicality too, which is something we can use more of throughout the team. Likely could be had for a Giordano type of deal as I think he would love to play here, and isn't in a position to ask for anything above 2mil as is.

 

[nuck]

I wouldn’t go beyond 4/5 years and I don’t even know if he’d be who I’d be going for but he was the second top FA that came to mind here mostly over name recognition. Nino would be a good fit as well.


No they get a cap credit of 3.4 which is the difference in his cap hit and last years salary.

Willie out the door and either of those could be doable and would give the club a different look. I would like to see WN on a club with a solid center playing top line minutes. I think he has potential we will never see so long as he is playing behind Marner.

 

[thusk]

Marner made the play? No.... Matthews made "the play". In fact the broadcaster former nhler Keith Jones says those exact words at the .26 second mark "Matthews made the play".. Marner made the pass over the blueline that 90% of players make. Matthews made the incredible quick touch play to Rielly who pinched at the right time.

Another example of Marner getting credit for riding the coat tails of Matthews.

And who made the perfect pass between 2 tampa player to Matthews? If marner didnt made that pass between 2 stick at that perfect time, never matthews was able to make any play. Everything from that play started with marner

On the second goal, it a pretty good exemple of what nylander almost never do... being the 1st guy to backcheck... hes backchecking, his teammate made a play and hes go on counter attack and nade a snart play to hit matthews when it passing lane was well civer. Switch marner to nylander unstead of coming back at his blue line, you would see nylander stick on red line waiting unstead on backchecking and help his dman if his teammate didnt won his battle... thata the difference between marner and nylander.

 

[Kiwi]

I'm hoping we find a new home for Holl, and replace him with PK Subban. I think you'd see a very passionate player if he was in the Blue and White. Even though he's fallen off from his mid 20s, he's still been a minute muncher. He'll get in there physicality too, which is something we can use more of throughout the team. Likely could be had for a Giordano type of deal as I think he would love to play here, and isn't in a position to ask for anything above 2mil as is.

I loved PK when he was younger but he looks washed now

I think we should be more careful about how many of these aging vets we put in the line-up

We have Giordano on the team now try finding guys in there prime years who just need an opportunity, those are the guys that end up surprising you imo

 

[Nylander88]

I loved PK when he was younger but he looks washed now

I think we should be more careful about how many of these aging vets we put in the line-up

We have Giordano on the team now try finding guys in there prime years who just need an opportunity, those are the guys that end up surprising you imo

Any candidates in mind that fit your description?

 

[LeafChief]

That one guy really hates Marner in this thread. Weirdo.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Trying to get a gauge on Zack Aston-Reese. If the contracts are equal, who is a better fit for the Leafs? Kase or ZAR?

Zar

 

[Kiwi]

Any candidates in mind that fit your description?

In UFA you have guys like Lybushkin, Zadorov, Hagg and Benning

I haven't gone through teams rosters looking for guys in #6-#7 roles but there's usually some interesting names there to

If we didn't have Gio I'd be keen on PK but that decision has been made and I don't think you want more than one of those guys

 

[Nylander88]

In UFA you have guys like Lybushkin, Zadorov, Hagg and Benning

I haven't gone through teams rosters looking for guys in #6-#7 roles but there's usually some interesting names there to

If we didn't have Gio I'd be keen on PK but that decision has been made and I don't think you want more than one of those guys

Subban and Gio play entirely different games and different styles. Subban is also 6 years younger than Gio. I don't think they're much of a comparison. Only parallel's would be two local boys taking discounts in the later stages of their careers. But as far as "don't think you want more than one of those guys", they're not alike at all.

 

[Gallagbi]

The most messed up thing about the Mrazek contract is they structured it to make it harder to trade. No bonuses and the salary goes up every year. Year 2 and 3 he gets 4.2 and 4.4 million bucks even though the cap hit is just 3.8.

I figure cash flow was a little tight with 1.5 years of zero attendance

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Trades
Kerfoot for Tampa's 2022 2nd from Ottawa. Holl to Dallas for 2022 3rd and 2023 3rd. Mrazek to Chicago for Tampa 2022 2nd and Dallas 2023 3rd. Muzzin plus Dallas 2023 3rd to the islanders for Mayfield.

Ufa
Campbell 4.5 x 4
Copp 5 x 5
Paul 3.75 x 4
Holtby 2 x 2
Zar 1.3 x 2
Acciari 1 x 1
Subban 900k x 2
RFA
Liljegren 2 x 2
Sandin 1.50 x 2
Engvall 1.6 x 1

Bunting Matthews Marner
Copp Tavares Nylander
Robertson Paul Engvall
Zar Kampf Acciari

Reilly Brodie
Gio Mayfield
Sandin Liljegren
Subban

Campbell
Holtby

Total cap 82.47 million

 

[Nylanderthal]

I figure cash flow was a little tight with 1.5 years of zero attendance

Most players have wanted back loaded deals during Covid to cut down on escrow

 

[Dreakmur]

I figure cash flow was a little tight with 1.5 years of zero attendance

I get the logic, but it's a horrific contract in just about every regard.

 

[Bigmarycombo]

Marner made the play? No.... Matthews made "the play". In fact the broadcaster former nhler Keith Jones says those exact words at the .26 second mark "Matthews made the play".. Marner made the pass over the blueline that 90% of players make. Matthews made the incredible quick touch play to Rielly who pinched at the right time.

Another example of Marner getting credit for riding the coat tails of Matthews.

You have to be the worst leaf fan poster. Marner picks up the puck in his own zone carries it through center ice and makes entry into the Tampa zone and puts a perfect pass onto Matthews stick who deflects it over to Reilly but yep just like you said marner riding coat tails. You sir with your marner bias is a joke to every other poster on this board.

I'm hoping we find a new home for Holl, and replace him with PK Subban. I think you'd see a very passionate player if he was in the Blue and White. Even though he's fallen off from his mid 20s, he's still been a minute muncher. He'll get in there physicality too, which is something we can use more of throughout the team. Likely could be had for a Giordano type of deal as I think he would love to play here, and isn't in a position to ask for anything above 2mil as is.

All sub ban does now is slewfoot. He would be suspended for half the year.

 

[HockeyVirus]

Schiefele has 2 years @ 6.125 left. A locker room cancer in the media and the scapegoat of the fan base, hated for not having any heart.

...Doesn't that sound like every player we've moved on from who became stars elsewhere? From Kadri, to Kessel, and I can go on and on here. I think the Leafs should be bold and try to add another #1C. If they fail this year, they can retool the roster moving all of these players with low money and term for big prospects and picks.

So my proposal

To LA Kings;
Jake Muzzin

To Leafs:
19th OA 2022

A fraction of what they sold him for, but still good value. LA needs a vet LD badly and know Muzzin well. He is well liked by vets of the team, no fear of ruining good environment for their kids to develop in. Leafs clear 5.625 in cap here.

Then the offer for Schief

25th OA 2022
Nick Robertson
Rights to Kase

for

Schief

A massive package here, but they bring in a legit first line player. This lets the Leafs have maximum flexibility with their lines, having 3 deep lines or putting Tavares to the wing. Something like

Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Tavares - Scheif - Nylander

This still leaves the Leafs with around ~10M in cap space. Next order of business is to either take a falling player we really like with LA's pick, or move back to late 20's and get a 2nd and 3rd round pick for it.

From here the Leafs would need to add

- A vet bottom pairing dmen
- A starting goalie
- A top 9 forward if possible
- Confidence their prospects can retool their 4th line internally.

I think we can spend 4-6 million on a goalie and still ice a full roster. You can get a vet dman for ~1M, similar to Bush and Bogo. That would leave 2-3 million to re-sign Engvall, Sandin, and Lilly plus add a top 9 forward.

So the next step is to move Mrazek. I personally think the move here is to go with a 60 game goalie who is your guy, and let one of the prospect goalies win the backup job. If they fail at camp, there are always goalies on waivers end of pre-season they can get as insurance. This let's them have the same cap structure in goal that they were going for anyways, ~7M as they had with Freddy and Campbell.

Mrazek
prospect

Hawks
future considerations

Also we will move Holl for the rights of Pulj and sign him

Now the roster looks like this

Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Tavares - Schief - Nylander
Engvall (2M) - Kampf - Pulj (2 AAV)
Prospects

Rielly - Brodie
Gio (800k) - Lilly (1.5 AAV)
Sandin (1.1 AAV) - Vet (1m AAV)
Prospect

Starter (6M)
Kallgren / Woll / other (800k)

 

[Gabriel426]

Get a legitimate No.1 goalie even if it means Willie or MM.
Keep the current DCore but trade Holl for picks and package Sandin with Kerfoot for a top 6 FWD.
Build a crash and smash 4th line that opposing teams hate to play their top line against.

 

[Kiwi]

Subban and Gio play entirely different games and different styles. Subban is also 6 years younger than Gio. I don't think they're much of a comparison. Only parallel's would be two local boys taking discounts in the later stages of their careers. But as far as "don't think you want more than one of those guys", they're not alike at all.

True, Gio can still skate and play top 4 minutes if you need him to

That's well beyond PK nowadays, allocate that money to a younger guy with some potential to give more value for our dollar

 

[Brobust]

Matt Murray trade that might make sense and even create $1M+ in cap space. A straight swap of Murray(retained) and Mrazek makes little sense because Ottawa doesn't save any money. So I tried to make a deal where Ottawa saves a ton of money and Toronto gets some valuable assets.

Toronto receives: Matt Murray(50% retained/$3.125M), Colin White, rights to Alex Formenton, Ott 2022 2nd round pick, Filip Gustavsson

Ottawa receives: Petr Mrazek, Alexander Kerfoot

Ottawa saves about $15M here so you can throw in another asset as well.

With White bought out($875k) and Gustavsson sent to the minors and Formenton signed to a bridge deal in the $2M range, that gives Toronto about $1.3M in extra cap space.

 

[Antropovsky]

You have to be the worst leaf fan poster. Marner picks up the puck in his own zone carries it through center ice and makes entry into the Tampa zone and puts a perfect pass onto Matthews stick who deflects it over to Reilly but yep just like you said marner riding coat tails. You sir with your marner bias is a joke to every other poster on this board.


All sub ban does now is slewfoot. He would be suspended for half the year.

Marner picked it up right where the winger should have and had plenty of room to skate. Why is that important?

The Perfect pass? That's a basic hockey pass.... the defender in front of him isn't really defending the pass - probably because he didn't see Matthews jumping into the play who was hidden behind multiple players. Again this is all Matthews.... watch the play by play and you will notice Jones doesn't say anything about Marners play being difficult. This is all Matthews and Jones repeated that at least a couple times.

Worst poster? My opinion of the play is exactly the same as Keith Jones, the former NHLer turned broadcaster. So im perfectly content having you call my opinion and subsequently his to be terrible.

Are you saying Jones play by play is wrong too? Its great (and telling) how you leave out that Jones also says this was all Matthews and doesn't say anything about Marner making any difficult plays (because there weren't any).

 

[Nylander88]

True, Gio can still skate and play top 4 minutes if you need him to

That's well beyond PK nowadays, allocate that money to a younger guy with some potential to give more value for our dollar

I just don't know any proven younger guys that can eat up 18+ minutes a night, play the right side, run a PP, and play with physicality that're sitting there likely to be had for sub 2 million. If there's any I absolutely agree, let's go that route.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Get a legitimate No.1 goalie even if it means Willie or MM.
Keep the current DCore but trade Holl for picks and package Sandin with Kerfoot for a top 6 FWD.
Build a crash and smash 4th line that opposing teams hate to play their top line against.

What's a legitimate goalie to you?

Bobrovsky? Hellebyuck? Gibson?

Which one of those would you deal Nylander or Marner straight up for? Because that sounds like a bad desperation deal given how fickle goaltending is.

 

[thusk]

Marner picked it up right where the winger should have and had plenty of room to skate. Why is that important?

The Perfect pass? That's a basic hockey pass.... the defender in front of him doesn't even have his stick on the ice - probably because he didn't see Matthews jumping into the play who was hidden behind multiple players. Again this is all Matthews.... watch the play by play and you will notice Jones doesn't say anything about Marners play being difficult. This is all Matthews and Jones repeated that at least a couple times.

Worst poster? My opinion of the play is exactly the same as Keith Jones, the former NHLer turned broadcaster. So im perfectly content having you call my opinion and subsequently his to be terrible.

Are you saying Jones play by play is wrong too? Its great (and telling) how you leave out that Jones also says this was all Matthews and doesn't say anything about Marner making any difficult plays (because there weren't any).

Basic play... lmao... he made that pass an 1/2 second sooner... tampa foward on backcheck poke it... he made the pass a 1/2 second later tampa d poke it. He made the pass a little too high, tampa d poke it; a little too short, tampa foward poke it. No it was not a basic play... , it was a perfect pass with a perfect timing

 

[Antropovsky]

Basic play... lmao... he made that pass an 1/2 second sooner... tampa foward on backcheck poke it... he made the pass a 1/2 second later tampa d poke it. He made the pass a little too high, tampa d poke it; a little too short, tampa foward poke it. No it was not a basic play... , it was a perfect pass with a perfect timing

Yet the former NHL player broadcaster says nothing about it being difficult?

 

[Gabriel426]

What's a legitimate goalie to you?

Bobrovsky? Hellebyuck? Gibson?

Which one of those would you deal Nylander or Marner straight up for? Because that sounds like a bad desperation deal given how fickle goaltending is.

Helly. I would deal MM for him. Top 5 winger for a Top 5 Goalie.
Having someone like Helly will cover a lot of problems for the Leafs.

Now I don't think having Helly would means beating TB in Game 7, but I think having Helly over Campbell might be the difference in Game 2, 4, and 6.