Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 - Post Deadline

[Nylander88]

The path is clearing cap space and moving Muzzin who only has a few years left in the league vs Sandin who figures to have another 10 probably.

He's got great agility, "good" speed...trust me, anyone would love Mackenzie Weegar on this team and Sandin is a better skater, it's not a big deal. Sandin is fine defensively, just needs to actually get stronger, that takes time.

If I was gonna trade someone that I project as a top 4D, I would probably aim for a top 6 forward and given how important D are, probably trying to find a good 2C because obviously you're not getting a 1C.

Hendrix Lapierre might be a good target...Kirby Dach is available but I question the offensive upside.

Mavrique Bourque is probably showing a little too well for Dallas to want to give him up.

Not sure how Minnesota feels about Rossi.

I'd wait to see how things go with Sandin, we drafted Liljegren in 2017 and gave him lots of seasoning in the AHL. Sandin we took the year after...maybe we should see if he starts to break out in similar fashion.

Overall though, Giordano and Muzzin are on the wrong side of the age curve for me to feel okay in trading Sandin.

I see Sandin as a downgrade on Muzzin as far as who I trust in a playoff series to be out there. Yes he has a longer runway due to his age, but I don't feel great about Sandin being in the lineup and Muzzin gone unless we manage to get him a big bodied, big minute RHD partner. In which case we have Rielly-Brodie, Sandin-Legit top 4 RHD, Giordano-Liljegren...which I'm not totally against depending on who that player is, and how much that player costs. The trade targets you mentioned, I like all of those suggestions. I just see Sandin as having too much importance and development to let him rot as a #7...so unless a true path is cleared (clearly won't be Rielly or Gio)...you're talking finding a new home for Muzzin unfortunately. And imo, you just got weaker defensively, less physical, and smaller on the backend with a Muzzin out, Sandin in, backend. Don't get me wrong, I don't hate Sandin, at all ...I just think we should be trying to cash in on getting another young player in the system, as opposed to hindering Sandin's development if we don't intend you use him as an every day player.
And for what it's worth, I'd gladly take Weegar over Sandin. Skates every bit as well and is the bigger body...except Weegar hits like a ton, blocks tons of shots, will drop the mitts, has shown he is a top 4 caliber defenseman on a competitive team, is a right handed D (which has shown time and time again to be more coveted). Weegar beats Sandin every day of the week imo.

 

[OVO16]

Still need to get through the entire season .. I think it allows the Leafs to roll the dice on a short term boom/bust option rather than a big investment though.

Yeah, I mentioned that in my original post. Needs to be a placeholder buy low candidate until Knies is ready.

Could be a Marlies call up too (Robertson).

I think the leafs will try to acquire at least one top 6 forward. And also two 4th line signings for cheap.

I don't mean a Bunting clone, I mean a player who, like Bunting, is under the radar waiting for a break-out opportunity.

Agreed

 

[Stephen]

I said he had sky high potential. Doesn't mean his results have been very good so far

He's not Alex Pietrangelo but the results are pretty good at 22.

 

[jaric1862]

Anyone else starting to think it's a real possibility Mrazek sticks around?

 

[Nylanderthal]

Why Kadri? You can't sign Kadri. It's essentially goodbye cup window at the lowest of those.

He's burnt his bridges, and he will be 32 and require a long term big money deal as he is looking to cash out on his lone big season.

You sign him to that contract and you can kiss Matthews and possibly Marner goodbye. Because no one wants to sign with a team whose big money is tied up in players whose best days are in the rear view mirror ($18-19 million between Tavares/Kadri).

I wouldn’t go beyond 4/5 years and I don’t even know if he’d be who I’d be going for but he was the second top FA that came to mind here mostly over name recognition. Nino would be a good fit as well.

We need a capologist. I read it that Keith's 5.5m no longer counts against the cap but they take on 3.4m in dead cap for him instead which saves them 2.1m in cap space if he retires.

No they get a cap credit of 3.4 which is the difference in his cap hit and last years salary.

 

[WTFMAN99]

I see Sandin as a downgrade on Muzzin as far as who I trust in a playoff series to be out there. Yes he has a longer runway due to his age, but I don't feel great about Sandin being in the lineup and Muzzin gone unless we manage to get him a big bodied, big minute RHD partner. In which case we have Rielly-Brodie, Sandin-Legit top 4 RHD, Giordano-Liljegren...which I'm not totally against depending on who that player is, and how much that player costs. The trade targets you mentioned, I like all of those suggestions. I just see Sandin as having too much importance and development to let him rot as a #7...so unless a true path is cleared (clearly won't be Rielly or Gio)...you're talking finding a new home for Muzzin unfortunately. And imo, you just got weaker defensively, less physical, and smaller on the backend with a Muzzin out, Sandin in, backend. Don't get me wrong, I don't hate Sandin, at all ...I just think we should be trying to cash in on getting another young player in the system, as opposed to hindering Sandin's development if we don't intend you use him as an every day player.
And for what it's worth, I'd gladly take Weegar over Sandin. Skates every bit as well and is the bigger body...except Weegar hits like a ton, blocks tons of shots, will drop the mitts, has shown he is a top 4 caliber defenseman on a competitive team, is a right handed D (which has shown time and time again to be more coveted). Weegar beats Sandin every day of the week imo.

I just used Weegar to compare the skating between the 2, it generally doesn't hinder if you're smart and Sandin and Weegar are both smart guys.

The issue with Muzzin as well is he's only participated in 2-2.5/4 playoff series since we've gotten him really.

Boston series
Injured against CBJ
Injured against MTL
Missed most of the season.

Actually typing this out now, there's definitely a case to be made for rotating Sandin, Giordano and Muzzin in and out aside from just regular injuries...helps the wear/tear on both of the older guys.

Again I still think we need to actually get out of the Muzzin contract if we can, it isn't aging well but aim for a guy that projects as a good 2C if you're making the trade, I don't care about wingers, they're not as important as centres or defenseman.

Alternatively, if you got a really good defenseman back that was a right shot in the deal for Sandin to knock Holl out, that works well too although that's part of a larger deal

For now my stance is to keep Sandin, trade Muzzin, bolster RD...in the grand scheme of things though I don't control anything and I just get to see what moves are made and decide if it's worth investing hours of my time in to see if I care.

 

[Torontonian]

Anyone else starting to think it's a real possibility Mrazek sticks around?

No.

Dubas and management have done a good job at identifying problems and moving them off the roster. Too much at stake this season to keep a 4m what if on the roster, and he knows it.

 

[BertCorbeau]

I wouldn’t go beyond 4/5 years and I don’t even know if he’d be who I’d be going for but he was the second top FA that came to mind here mostly over name recognition. Nino would be a good fit as well.


No they get a cap credit of 3.4 which is the difference in his cap hit and last years salary.

If they're going UFA to bolster up the middle I'd rather go for Trochek who is younger and will be cheaper.

Provides the same physicality as Kadri without the baggage.

 

[thusk]

That’s a lot of words bro… Gibson has been ass and has been outperformed by his net mate. It’s less to do with the team in front of him and his mental make up at this point

Gibson 44 of 56 game (78%) he started was against top 20 team. Stay at 0.904 of saves %

Stolarz 11 of 23 game (48%) started was against top 20. He was at 0.890%

So who was really the best goalie?

 

[ULF_55]

Anyone tell us why McMann scored 24 goals for the Marlies this year?

Came out of Colgate in the pandemic.

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A big-bodied all-around forward that has good offensive instincts and excellent positional awareness during unfolding plays. Plays a power game and drives the net hard. Fluid skater that has room to improve near the top of his acceleration to become more explosive. His maturity, character, and willingness to do what it takes to win is embodied by his humility in taking the time to improve upon and learn all aspects of multiple roles. Explosive shot release and proficient puckhandling ability. Huge potential as an effective two-way forward with skill. [EP]

Decent size, 6'1", 203 lbs.

Any reason he can't fight for a spot in the bottom?

 

[Avilaj07]

To Toronto-
Kempe
Iafallo
Roy

To Kings-
Nylander
Robertson
Sandin

 

[Nylanderthal]

To Toronto-
Kempe
Iafallo
Roy

To Kings-
Nylander
Robertson
Sandin

Wot? Lol

 

[Amadeus]

To Toronto-
Kempe
Iafallo
Roy

To Kings-
Nylander
Robertson
Sandin

Doesn't make us better at all.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

To Toronto-
Kempe
Iafallo
Roy

To Kings-
Nylander
Robertson
Sandin

pathetic

 

[Antropovsky]

Marner played against top opponent line and on every big defensive situation... Nylander played against 2 or 3 line... sure playing kucherov/ stamkos, you made a mistake its not the same than make an mistake against cirelli or hagel or paul...sure when you just cheating and waiting on opposite blue line, you cant do any mistake with the puck...

Game #6 goal is all about Campbell unable to control a basic save this season like last year against MTL, the reason Why i think Gibson can be more useful than Nylander. Just get the guy who will step up and make the difference and the most important than the guy is in front of the net to make all difference of the world.

Just watch who reach east final, 2 best goalies of NHL. Tampa didn't won because they are an amaizing offensive team, they won because they played well defensive side in front an elite goaltender... Do you think Toronto can win a series because they doesn't allowed more than 2 goal on every of their win? The answer is no. They need to scored at least 3 or 4 goal every game to get a chance to win.

How are you gonna sign these 10 million dollar goalies? With hopes and dreams? If you can't afford to sign a 10 million dollar goalie (because of three 11 million dollar forwards), than you need your 11 million dollar players to outperform the 10 million dollar goalie. 2 goals and 16 points in 19 games is not outperforming the other teams goalies. Marner didn't even register a shot in 24 minutes of game 7.

 

[OVO16]

To Toronto-
Kempe
Iafallo
Roy

To Kings-
Nylander
Robertson
Sandin

You come in here with the worst f***ing trade proposals and just disappear until the next one

 

[Maplebeasts]

To Toronto-
Kempe
Iafallo
Roy

To Kings-
Nylander
Robertson
Sandin

Horrendous. Absolutely god awful.

 

[kb]

Wot? Lol

Doesn't make us better at all.

pathetic

This sums it all up.

2 of our top 3 prospects and a PPG player.....for that pile of meh????

 

[thusk]

How are you gonna sign these 10 million dollar goalies? With hopes and dreams? If you can't afford to sign a 10 million dollar goalie (because of three 11 million dollar forwards), than you need your 11 million dollar players to outperform the 10 million dollar goalie. 2 goals and 16 points in 19 games is not outperforming the other teams goalies. Marner didn't even register a shot in 24 minutes of game 7.

How many scoring chance at even strenght kucherov and stamkos had? He didnt get a shot but still made the play who lead to leafs only goal...

How do you get money for Gibson, just trade the only player whos was not ready to work and not ready to pay the price for the team... and this player was not marner but nylander...

 

[stickty111]

To Toronto-
Kempe
Iafallo
Roy

To Kings-
Nylander
Robertson
Sandin

I doubt Dubas wants to lose his job so no

 

[Antropovsky]

How many scoring chance at even strenght kucherov and stamkos had? He didnt get a shot but still made the play who lead to leafs only goal...

How do you get money for Gibson, just trade the only player whos was not ready to work and not ready to pay the price for the team... and this player was not marner but nylander...

Marner made the play? No.... Matthews made "the play". In fact the broadcaster former nhler Keith Jones says those exact words at the .26 second mark "Matthews made the play".. Marner made the pass over the blueline that 90% of players make. Matthews made the incredible quick touch play to Rielly who pinched at the right time.

Another example of Marner getting credit for riding the coat tails of Matthews.

 

[Nylander88]

I just used Weegar to compare the skating between the 2, it generally doesn't hinder if you're smart and Sandin and Weegar are both smart guys.

The issue with Muzzin as well is he's only participated in 2-2.5/4 playoff series since we've gotten him really.

Boston series
Injured against CBJ
Injured against MTL
Missed most of the season.

Actually typing this out now, there's definitely a case to be made for rotating Sandin, Giordano and Muzzin in and out aside from just regular injuries...helps the wear/tear on both of the older guys.

Again I still think we need to actually get out of the Muzzin contract if we can, it isn't aging well but aim for a guy that projects as a good 2C if you're making the trade, I don't care about wingers, they're not as important as centres or defenseman.

Alternatively, if you got a really good defenseman back that was a right shot in the deal for Sandin to knock Holl out, that works well too although that's part of a larger deal

For now my stance is to keep Sandin, trade Muzzin, bolster RD...in the grand scheme of things though I don't control anything and I just get to see what moves are made and decide if it's worth investing hours of my time in to see if I care.

Appreciate the detailed response. I absolutely get your views and don't disagree with your line of thinking. I just don't wanna see Sandin eating popcorn up in the box most nights of the week. I want to go forward with him as a regular, or try and capitalize on an asset

 

[Antropovsky]

Marner made the play? No.... Matthews made "the play". In fact the broadcaster former nhler Keith Jones says those exact words at the .26 second mark "Matthews made the play".. Marner made the pass over the blueline that 90% of players make. Matthews made the incredible quick touch play to Rielly who pinched at the right time.

Another example of Marner getting credit for riding the coat tails of Matthews.

Even this goal that everyone lauded Marner for was more a credit to Matthews.... Matthews aggressively backchecks helping to physically strip Tampa forwards of the puck at center ice, the puck stripped by Matthews, is recovered by Bunting who makes the great play to Marner who just needs to skate to be on a 2-1. Meanwhile Matthews doesn't skip a beat from stripping the puck and immediately pivots onto offense and gets Marners rebound and scores. Marners contribution? A low shot to the goalies right pad. Again incredible work by Matthews.

 

[Avilaj07]

This sums it all up.

2 of our top 3 prospects and a PPG player.....for that pile of meh????

Ok so let me get this straight. Nylander is obviously the best player in this deal but it's obvious we need to allocate some cap while forming out our team. We're trading Robertson who has yet to show anything in the NHL when given the opportunity and looks completely lost. We're trading Sandin, who while I like, struggles in a top 4 role and well, currently our left side is full as he's not bumping Rielly, Muzzin or Gio out. In return, you get Matt Roy who is a top 4 RHD who can partner up with Rielly and finally give him a capable rhd partner. You get Adrian Kempe who is a solid all around top 6 player that does it all and competes. Alex Iafallo is a solid top 9 player who can move into a top 6 role pretty easily if needed. So while losing only 1 everyday player, we're gaining 3 impactful everyday players that makes our team more complete.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Ok so let me get this straight. Nylander is obviously the best player in this deal but it's obvious we need to allocate some cap while forming out our team. We're trading Robertson who has yet to show anything in the NHL when given the opportunity and looks completely lost. We're trading Sandin, who while I like, struggles in a top 4 role and well, currently our left side is full as he's not bumping Rielly, Muzzin or Gio out. In return, you get Matt Roy who is a top 4 RHD who can partner up with Rielly and finally give him a capable rhd partner. You get Adrian Kempe who is a solid all around top 6 player that does it all and competes. Alex Iafallo is a solid top 9 player who can move into a top 6 role pretty easily if needed. So while losing only 1 everyday player, we're gaining 3 impactful everyday players that makes our team more complete.

We're getting back a much worse Nylander, an Engvall-impact guy (worse cause Iafallo puts up similar offense but no PK) and a Holl. Roy and Iafallo are easily replaceable in UFA, I'd rather get some liquid futures back for Nylander and just sign equal impact guys if they're really needed.

Iafallo and Roy alone have a higher combined caphit than Nylander, Kempe doesn't have a contract right now but I can't see it being lower than 5 mil. 12 million+ for those 3 and paying Nylander + 2 prospects for the privilege is a great way to make the team worse, less cap flexible, and have less futures to spend on trading for actual impact players.