Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 - Post Deadline

[kb]

I would still prefer McCann over your darling Holl, who could have been easily substituted. Still baffled by that decision.

You are the only one.

 

[BertCorbeau]

PP’s now 5-1 for Edmonton? Wow

 

[Enniskillen]

You are the only one.

So what? Zero fks given)

 

[supermann_98]

No one is saying Willy isn't a great player, but unfortunately you just doesn't seem to mesh with Tavares and having Willy on the 3rd line is a waste. Ideally I'd put Willy back with Matthews and Marner back with Tavares but you know, you can't hurt their feelings so you can't separate them. Moving Willy for the 2nd overall pick allows you to draft Cooley who in a couple of years should be great to replace Tavares as the 2nd line center, as well as sign or trade for a top 6 winger who fits our need for a Tavares winger.

This. Cooley looks like a LH Mitch Marner and he's gonna be playing next year with Knies. After the NCAA season you could theoretically get 2 thirds of a scoring line signed for the stretch run. With the money allocated to Nylander and getting rid of Kerfoot & Holl they could re-sign Campbell or another G and still have money left over to fill the gap on Tavares line with a guy like Niedereiter, Fiala (maybe too expensive), or even a more depth guy like Palat, Burakovsky, etc

Nylander playing with Hughes would be scary as well, which may be enticing to NJ. They don't want to lose forever, teaching Hischier and Hughes nothing except losing ... before they even have to pay them the big bucks. Watching their hated rival NY Rangers go far in the playoffs HAS to make NJ feel some kinda way and want to accelerate their rebuild to catch up.

Hughes and Willy would be fun to watch. I could easily see them meshing which isn't easy to find for a guy like Nylander who's got to have a creative linemate to truly compute the game at the same level.

if it doesn't mesh there's also Hischier who could use a guy like Nylander to help unlock his offensive game. Nylander is a straight up weapon on the powerplay.

Im a huge Nylander fan ... wanted him when he fell to our pick, happy we got him and happy to have him, but this trade just makes too much sense for both teams.

Bunting-Matthews-Marner
Niedereiter-Tavares--Robertson
Engvall-Kampf-Kase
Blackwell-FA-Simmonds
Clifford

(Not to mention the Cooley-Knies reinforcements on the horizon)

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I would still prefer McCann over your darling Holl, who could have been easily substituted. Still baffled by that decision.

Why would you prefer McCann over Holl?

 

[Rielly4]

We can only hope Cooley ends up as good as Nylander. Sure he could end up better but high chance he ends up worse. Our window of contention is now so I dont really see Dubas making that move.

Why would you prefer McCann over Holl?

Is this a trick question? I would much prefer McCann over Holl. McCann would look a hell of a lot better playing in our top 6.

Holl at this point is behind Lybushkin and Liljegren for me.

 

[Enniskillen]

Why would you prefer McCann over Holl?

I believe he might have helped our lame horse pp in elimination games.

 

[kb]

So what? Zero fks given)

As long as you were aware.

 

[Dreakmur]

Why would you prefer McCann over Holl?

Holl being gone would have forced Keefe to play Liljegren and Sandin more. Not only would they both be better now because of that, but we would have had a better team.

 

[Duffman955]

Robertson has been straight ass in the NHL. Don't even front, he's been garbage.

He needs to prove himself not just handed a spot

 

[ULF_55]

Robertson has been straight ass in the NHL. Don't even front, he's been garbage.

He needs to prove himself not just handed a spot

As Leafs fans we really hope he can make that next step.

He's be so overwhelmed in the NHL so far it is discouraging.

At least he played games in the AHL this year.

 

[SnizzNasty88]

You are the only one.

I really hope this is sarcasm. Protecting Holl over McCann was an absolutely pathetically disgusting decision at the time and looked worse and worse by the day. Dubass is a pathetic excuse piece of garbage GM

 

[ER89]

Watching the playoffs, at some point Matty needs to take over a playoff series. Like a man possessed. He just hasn't been able to do that yet.

 

[leafsfan5]

I don't think their 2023 first rounder is going to be as high a pick as you'd imagine with Nylander and Hughes teaming up and Hamilton probably getting back to normal.

Plus the East is opening up

BOS is done, WSH is on the decline, Pens appeared to have their last dance this year. NYI fired their saviour so I don't see them back into the playoff picture

Realistically there's 5 locks for the playoffs next year (barring injuries). TOR, TB, FLA, NYR and CAR. If things go right the Devils can sneak into a wild card or get close

 

[Gabriel426]

As Leafs fans we really hope he can make that next step.

He's be so overwhelmed in the NHL so far it is discouraging.

At least he played games in the AHL this year.

I hope Robertson can do it too, esp since watching what his brother can do.
But with each passing season, Robertson might be Petan 2.0 if he doesn't pick up his game.

Plus the East is opening up

BOS is done, WSH is on the decline, Pens appeared to have their last dance this year. NYI fired their saviour so I don't see them back into the playoff picture

Realistically there's 5 locks for the playoffs next year (barring injuries). TOR, TB, FLA, NYR and CAR. If things go right the Devils can sneak into a wild card or get close

But you forgot the Habs with Shane Wright and Price coming back.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I hope Robertson can do it too, esp since watching what his brother can do.
But with each passing season, Robertson might be Petan 2.0 if he doesn't pick up his game.


But you forgot the Habs with Shane Wright and Price coming back.

I don't know why every comparison is to Petan.

None of our small guys have Petan's skating deficiencies. Zero. That was the main thing holding Petan back. Certainly didn't help that he didn't have too many pluses outside of offensive intelligence, work ethic, and playmaking either, but skating is ultimately what is keeping Petan from the NHL.

Robertson's skating is much better now, he has more versatility, and his shot has always been better than Petan's.

Habs will be better with Wright, but they need defense and proper support, and their prospect pool is still a few years away from producing that help.

 

[TML Dynasty]

Tavares is not going to play on a shutdown line with guys like Engvall/Kase. Kampf is a much better fit for those two (especially on a shutdown line), and

Bunting - Matthews - Marner
??? - Tavares - Nylander
Robertson - ??? - Anderson (bottom 6 offense line)
Engvall - Kampf - Kase (shutdown line)

There is a fit for that 2nd line, but other than Knies and maybe Joey Anderson, it is not someone we already have in the organization. If it was someone similar to Kase, but maybe had a little bit more ability down low and in front of the net (Kase/Engvall are fine enough there, but not good enough to be on a 2nd line), then that would be perfect.

If we want to split up the 2nd line, then swap Anderson and Nylander, or even swap both sets of wingers and have Robertson/Anderson playing with Tavares and Nylander/2LW playing with the new 3C.

And before anyone asks if Anderson deserves to be in our lineup full time next year, I will point out that he had 26 goals and 42 points in 56 AHL games in his 23 year old year. That is better than Hyman, Coleman, and various others who play like them. Anderson is ready for a full-time gig in the NHL, even if it is only in the bottom 6.

Yeah I mentioned the 4th would need to be the shut down if JT moved to the third....but no chance we could pull that off due to ice time distribution. Am open to the idea of splitting Nylander and Tavares up but we always see Nylander being the one moved. Was trying to see it from another angle. Fail lol.

Id still like to see Robertson ______ Nylander as a second talented line and really only have Kerf to fill that middle spot. Not ideal but does seem to have chemistry with Nylander and can take the role of the digger.

Im not sure Robertson fits with JT and Nylander, nor on a shut down line. Id also be uncomfortable to have him and Marner on same line due size.....so was trying to force him in.

Just spitballin

 

[WTFMAN99]

Man it's been crazy.

Florida finally getting past the 1st round...Colorado finally getting past the 2nd round....same old Leafs.

 

[TheGroceryStick]

As Leafs fans we really hope he can make that next step.

He's be so overwhelmed in the NHL so far it is discouraging.

At least he played games in the AHL this year.

He looks lost playing in the NHL, it's weird. He almost feels like a Yakupov...if not given the sweetspot opportunities, he has a tough time finding ways to impact.

Seems like a top6 or bust.

I've got faith he can find a niche with certain linemates and force his way into the lineup

 

[dubplatepressure]

He looks lost playing in the NHL, it's weird. He almost feels like a Yakupov...if not given the sweetspot opportunities, he has a tough time finding ways to impact.

Seems like a top6 or bust.

I've got faith he can find a niche with certain linemates and force his way into the lineup

IMO he needs a good 30 game stretch at NHL level to acclimate, just as Kase did. Abruzzesse however needs at least 1 year in the A to develop.

 

[Americanadian]

As Leafs fans we really hope he can make that next step.

He's be so overwhelmed in the NHL so far it is discouraging.

At least he played games in the AHL this year.

I think it's time to move on. Dallas would probably take him because his brother plays there and they have 4 really good RS C prospects up front that I would target in a 1 for 1. Johnston probably holds more value, Bourque might be a good trade 1 for 1 but he has worse age relative production than Robertson. Stankoven is probably most likely - he just put up similar numbers to Robertson in his D+1 and he's the same size. Dellandrea is the oldest and has been outproduced by Robertson at every level but he is supposed to be a more well rounded player at the NHL level.

 

[SprDaVE]

I think it's time to move on. Dallas would probably take him because his brother plays there and they have 3 really good RS C prospects up front that I would target in a 1 for 1. Johnston probably holds more value, Bourque might be a good trade 1 for 1 but he has worse age relative production than Robertson. Stankoven is probably most likely - he just put up similar numbers to Robertson in his D+1 and he's the same size.

He looks lost playing in the NHL, it's weird. He almost feels like a Yakupov...if not given the sweetspot opportunities, he has a tough time finding ways to impact.

Seems like a top6 or bust.

I've got faith he can find a niche with certain linemates and force his way into the lineup

"It's time to move on" as if he's 24 years old that had a million shots. This is nuts.

This season was his first real shot with more than 4th line minutes and he only had 2 games in that role. He's just about to turn 21 in September, where most prospects are about to start their pro careers. He's had very good production despite a lot of set backs due to injury or covid.

The Leafs have all the time in the world to really develop Robertson. This isn't to say he can't be traded in the right setting, just that his prospect value is very very high and his status hasn't changed.

 

[Brobust]

I think it's time to move on. Dallas would probably take him because his brother plays there and they have 3 really good RS C prospects up front that I would target in a 1 for 1. Johnston probably holds more value, Bourque might be a good trade 1 for 1 but he has worse age relative production than Robertson. Stankoven is probably most likely - he just put up similar numbers to Robertson in his D+1 and he's the same size.

He's a PPG player in the AHL at 20.

You people have no patience and are impossible to please unless a player is an instant star. Even that doesn't seem like much to you guys, cause you want to dump Nylander for trash like Miles Wood.

 

[Americanadian]

his prospect value is very very high

This is why you deal him now. He can still become an elite NHL player. With each call up he gets it just looks less and less likely.

you want to dump Nylander for trash like Miles Wood.

I would literally never propose that.

 

[VanW27]

As Leafs fans we really hope he can make that next step.

He's be so overwhelmed in the NHL so far it is discouraging.

At least he played games in the AHL this year.

It's not unusual for young, skilled guys like him to struggle in their first tastes of NHL action. But what is worrying is just how badly he's struggled, I mean he looks absolutely horrible out there.

Usually you see flashes at least, even if the overall game is clearly not ready. A little bit of magic here and there, a great shot/move/pass something. But it's all bad, nothing redeeming at all, if you didn't know the name you'd think it was some career AHLer they forced into action because a slew of injuries had the team calling up their 6th, 7th++ call up option. Unfortunately the issue seems to be between the ears, he doesn't seem to think the game well enough, poor reads/decisions all over the ice leave him chasing the puck around the rink.

The most notable concern for me in his last little stint was how badly he struggled to get open. He's a goal scorer, that should be his bread a butter. Find the soft spots, arrive on time, find ways to get yourself into shooting position, all things that should come naturally to him, need to come naturally to him to be a successful NHLer. I made specific effort to watch him off the puck, especially in the offensive zone and he had absolutely no idea where to be and how to get himself open at the NHL level.

Hopefully he just needs some time to get comfortable but there are some serious red flags for me at this point.