Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 - Post Deadline

[showtime8]

Keifer Sherwood would be a safe bet as Bunting 2.0. His underlying numbers in his 26 games over the last 2 years have been very strong (stronger than Bunting's 21 game sample in 20-21). He has 46 goals, 91 points in 67 AHL games over the last 2 years and an additional 10 points (4 goals) in 8 playoff games. He is a 6'0 right shot left winger. Seems like a strong fit.

Interesting name. I don't know much about his game, but he's put up some numbers.

 

[Fogelhund]

One year of Miller for a 1st, Robertson, and Holl?

Nylander for a #2OA, Blackwood, and Wood?

By the 2023 season it's very possible that the only assets playing from the first 2 trade scenarios are Blackwood and Wood.....I wouldn't be expecting #2 OA to be playing, at least not as a regular.

And look what that cost.

To me, I'd expect that if you are trading for someone with one year left, you'd want to have a discussion about an extension. If you couldn't find common ground on an extension in advance, you don't do the deal. I'm just commenting on someone else's proposals. These aren't my proposals. If I'm moving Nylander, I'd probably just prefer to keep my assets and sign a UFA, instead of moving the 1st, Robertson etc...

I'd also suggest the #2 OA, should be expected to be in the lineup for 2023/24, and perhaps some point in time in 2023 as well.

 

[BertCorbeau]

One year of Miller for a 1st, Robertson, and Holl?

Nylander for a #2OA, Blackwood, and Wood?

By the 2023 season it's very possible that the only assets playing from the first 2 trade scenarios are Blackwood and Wood.....I wouldn't be expecting #2 OA to be playing, at least not as a regular.

And look what that cost.

… I like that Nylander trade.

 

[kb]

To me, I'd expect that if you are trading for someone with one year left, you'd want to have a discussion about an extension. If you couldn't find common ground on an extension in advance, you don't do the deal. I'm just commenting on someone else's proposals. These aren't my proposals. If I'm moving Nylander, I'd probably just prefer to keep my assets and sign a UFA, instead of moving the 1st, Robertson etc...

I'd also suggest the #2 OA, should be expected to be in the lineup for 2023/24, and perhaps some point in time in 2023 as well.

Miller is looking to cash in off his team friendly contract. So he's going UFA - Friedman says he is looking squarely at the Zibanejad contract ($8.5 M AAV). That makes him a pure rental, and the Leafs won't be able to afford to keep him.

Plus if the recent #1s and #2s are any indication, that pick may be playing, but with zero impact.

And the Leafs waste their window.

 

[Fonzieleaf]

… I like that Nylander trade.

Agreed I definitely take that deal too.

 

[kb]

… I like that Nylander trade.

It's too risky IMO. Wood is essentially a possible pending UFA if he doesn;'t get qualified, and Blackwood as a #1 goalie?

Need to hit on that deal and not hope on that deal. And the fact they are taking on Mrazek makes it.....impossible.

 

[Fogelhund]

… I like that Nylander trade.

You are a Wood fan aren't you?

 

[ER89]

Blackwood wouldn't be my first choice for sure. Moving Nylander allows him to trade for JT Miller, who brings similar production, so I'd call that a net zero in this case...plus having the second OA.

Not certain miller repeats this. It's a risk.

 

[BertCorbeau]

It's too risky IMO. Wood is essentially a possible pending UFA if he doesn;'t get qualified, and Blackwood as a #1 goalie?

Need to hit on that deal and not hope on that deal. And the fact they are taking on Mrazek makes it.....impossible.

Wood and Blackwood are gambles, but then there’s also the #2OA pick.

that’s what does it for me personally.

 

[BertCorbeau]

You are a Wood fan aren't you?

Nah I just like the idea of getting the #2 OA pick in this deal.

 

[TMLAM34]

I wouldn’t be surprised if New Jersey isn’t planning on qualifying Wood. I think his qualifying offer is 3.5 million. The only way I’d want him is if Dubas can receive permission to speak to Wood in terms of not qualifying him but re-signing him at a cheaper price.

 

[BertCorbeau]

There was some speculation around the deadline but I imagine there is still interest-Dominik Kubalik

Carries a high QO.. wonder if the Hawks qualify him… but he would fit the bill in terms of a high need, similar to a Miles Wood situation but more upside offensively IMO.

 

[Duke16]

Trading anything notable for Wood is a fireable offense.

He is headed for unqualified RFA territory and should hit the open market.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Trading anything notable for Wood is a fireable offense.

He is headed for unqualified RFA territory and should hit the open market.

Absolutely, but I would be fine with him as a UFA.

Given his injury, he may come at a discounted price. He could work fairly well with Tavares and Nylander.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

… I like that Nylander trade.

except we aren't rebuilding.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

Here's my pick for Kyles "Kawhi" trade assuming he and Davidson can get over the Fleury stuff at the deadline.


Leafs Trade:
Kerfoot
Mrazek
2024 1st
2023 1st
2024 2nd
2023 2nd
Nicolas Robertson
Roni Hirovinen
Mikko Kokkonen/Filip Kral

Leafs Acquire:
Toews @1/4
Kane @1/4

Cap/salary situation:
Cap out: $7.3M salary out $4.95M
Cap in: $5.75M salary in $1.45M
Difference: +1.55M in additional cap space.

why Toronto does it: Goes "All in" while retaining Knies/Niemela and gains cap space to still upgrade LW/G in free agency or trade.

Allows you to go:

Tavares-Matthews-Marner
Nylander-Toews-Kane
or
Matthews-Marner
Tavares-Kane
Toews-Nylander

Arizona Trades:
small assets to Chicago/Toronto to make it work

Arizona Acquires:
Kerfoot
Mrazek
half of Toews remaining cap hit
half of Kanes remaining cap hit
Leafs 1st 2023
Leafs 2nd 2024
Pierre Engvall RFA rights(Need players to play for them, decent asset)

Cap/salary situation:
Cap out: N/A
Cap in: $13.05M salary $6.4M

Why Arizona does it: continues rebuild, helps get to floor.

Chicago Trades:
Kane @50%
Toews @50%

Chicago acquires:
2024 1st
2023 2nd
Nicolar Robertson
Roni Hirovinen
Mikko Kokkonen/Filip Kral

Why Chicago does it:
Gets a good prospect in Robertson plus a 1st and a 2nd for 1 year of Toews and Kane plus a pair of prospects with likely NHL trajectory and upside. Can re-sign Toews/Kane as the Leafs cannot afford to re-sign either.

 

[aingefan]

Trading anything notable for Wood is a fireable offense.

He is headed for unqualified RFA territory and should hit the open market.

Unless it’s for Mrazek, maybe; not that I’m even eager to move on from PM. Same with Kubalik.
I think he bounces back.
But in that scenario you’re trading off a year of extra salary and potentially filling a need for one year, winger one year gamble for goalie two year gamble.

 

[thusk]

One year of Miller for a 1st, Robertson, and Holl?

Nylander for a #2OA, Blackwood, and Wood?

By the 2023 season it's very possible that the only assets playing from the first 2 trade scenarios are Blackwood and Wood.....I wouldn't be expecting #2 OA to be playing, at least not as a regular.

And look what that cost.

The problem is no body take the risk and give a top 5 pick for a player like nylander with only 2 yesr remaining

 

[aingefan]

I like the idea of Willy for #2 overall, the only kind of trade involving him that is likely to provide surplus value will involve ELC talent imo.
That amount of cap space and the ELC is a way to do it.
Am okay moving Sandin if it produces a C with 2nd line upside. Or maybe a blue chip type goalie.
Don’t see a big need for LW with NicRob, Holmberg, Steeves and Abruzzese very close, Knies at the end of the year and JT maybe transitioning there in the next year or so.
I’d focus on some right shot guys. That’s why I like the idea of bringing back Blackwell; feisty with talent, can play some wing or centre up or down.

Speaking of Pontus Holmberg, could he be the fit on the second line?
Smart, cerebral, two-way player, C or LW beside JT and WN (if they’re kept together) sounds pretty good.

 

[MarMarSab3]

I like the idea of Willy for #2 overall, the only kind of trade involving him that is likely to provide surplus value will involve ELC talent imo.
That amount of cap space and the ELC is a way to do it.
Am okay moving Sandin if it produces a C with 2nd line upside. Or maybe a blue chip type goalie.
Don’t see a big need for LW with NicRob, Holmberg, Steeves and Abruzzese very close, Knies at the end of the year and JT maybe transitioning there in the next year or so.
I’d focus on some right shot guys. That’s why I like the idea of bringing back Blackwell; feisty with talent, can play some wing or centre up or down.

I like this, trading Nylander for the 2nd OV (Logan Cooley) and then trading for a guy like Garland for 2RW would be fantastic

 

[BertCorbeau]

I think it’s more of a retooling move. Lose some firepower offensively up front but look for some strong two way players that can help them remain competitive.

I personally think a retool is needed. Capitalize on Nylander’s value now to get a blue chip prospect. Take a chance of Blackwood as your #1G, and roll the dice on Wood who can help in the bottom 6 but have some scoring upside.

I thinK the Leafs need to start considering some longer term cap strategy for when Matthews and Marner needs new deals and Tavares’ contract is up.

 

[Nylanderthal]

except we aren't rebuilding.

While I agree, and I'm obviously a massive willy fan, but I think the thinking is there you can turn willy and mrazeks cap space into Blackwood and your choice of FA forward. Forsberg? Not to mention adding a Slaf or Cooley level prospect who both will be ELC contributors sooner than later helps lengthen the window by providing real quality play for cheap when Marner and Matthews are into their 3rd deals.

 

[BertCorbeau]

While I agree, and I'm obviously a massive willy fan, but I think the thinking is there you can turn willy and mrazeks cap space into Blackwood and your choice of FA forward. Forsberg? Not to mention adding a Slaf or Cooley level prospect who both will be ELC contributors sooner than later helps lengthen the window by providing real quality play for cheap when Marner and Matthews are into their 3rd deals.

This.

I think being pragmatic is important here. It’s good timing too given the playoff failures to date, I think it just cause.

 

[Avilaj07]

To Toronto-
Pavel Zacha
Mackenzie Blackwood
2nd Overall Pick

To Toronto-
William Nylander
Petr Mrazek
SDA

Use the 2nd pick to select Logan Cooley who I truly believe will end up being the best player in this draft and should be ready to replace Tavares at the end of his contract as our 2nd line center.

 

[SprDaVE]

I can understand the wishful thinking and all that, but there's no way the Devils are trading their #2 pick in a trade to get Nylander. Top 3 picks are rarely ever traded and the Devils are nowhere near the level of team that should be trading those kind of picks.

Nylander is worth A LOT and he's a great player, but it needs to make sense. I just don't understand the thought process that the Devils are going to do something like that.