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Stephen said:
I’m not sure what my final position on Robertson is, but I almost feel like my first instinct is to involve him in a big time Leaf upgrade as opposed to trying to insert him into the lineup. The play style just kinda leaves a little bit skeptical sometimes.
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Whats the play style that leaves to be desired? The sample size at the NHL level is way too low and the minutes have been too low to make any conclusion. His AHL production and play has been very very good. If it wasn't for Covid, this would have been his first AHL eligible season. He wouldn't have been in the NHL either.

He's got an elite level release, very good skater, skilled playmaking abilities with really good hockey IQ. He's not a big strong guy but plays with a lot of heart and intensity, very much like Kadri did.

I think people see him as a 23 year old that hasn't figured it out. But he's really young and with a toolkit you just don't pass on just because he's not a top notch NHLer yet. There this notion the Leafs need to get big huge physical guys to win and that's why Robertson can't possibly have a shot here or that we have to sell high right now on him.
 
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SprDaVE said:
From LeBruns latest Athletic piece. I'd still probably move on and change things up there but I think I'd be ok with a 3.5M cap hit for a few years.




Also Siegel (Leafs writer) and Power (Hawks writer) from the Athletic also are speculating that a Mrazek trade to the Hawks makes a lot of sense. Hawks are rebuilding, Leafs need cap space. There's probably a good match there.
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Mrazek for Borgstrom + Khaira

Mrazek for Connolly (Buyout - 1.16M per for 2 years) + 5th rd. Pick
 
SprDaVE said:
Whats the play style that leaves to be desired? The sample size at the NHL level is way too low and the minutes have been too low to make any conclusion. His AHL production and play has been very very good. If it wasn't for Covid, this would have been his first AHL eligibility season. He wouldn't have been in the NHL either.

He's got an elite level release, very good skater, skilled playmaking abilities with really good hockey IQ. He's not a big strong guy but plays with a lot of heart and intensity, very much like Kadri did.

I think people see him as a 23 year old that hasn't figured it out. But he's really young and with a toolkit you just don't pass on just because he's not a top notch NHLer yet. There this notion the Leafs need to get big huge physical guys to win and that's why Robertson can't possibly have a shot here or that we have to sell high right now on him.
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"Very good skater" is definitely a reach.
 
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weems said:
"Very good skater" is definitely a reach.
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It's definitely not a reach. I'd consider Marner a good skater despite missing explosiveness. Skating is more than just pure speed. It also includes edges, agility, pivoting, control and strength.

Robertson won't speed or power you out with his skating a lot, but he's more than capable of out maneuvering you and he has no problems keeping up with fast players because he's definitely not slow either.
 
SprDaVE said:
It's definitely not a reach. I'd consider Marner a good skater despite missing explosiveness. Skating is more than just speed. It also includes edges, agility, control, speed, etc etc.
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I've liked Robertson as a prospect basically since he's been drafted but saying he's a very good skater is certainly pushing it.

Average skater at best. His compete is amazing, great shot, willing to go to the dirty areas. Good playmaking skills but his skating has never been a strength of his.

Yes there are other areas of skating beyond explosiveness but its a important aspect especially for smaller players. This isnt to say Roberston wont be a good player and I'm not saying we should deal him or anything but lets not start saying he's a "very good skater".
 
weems said:
I've liked Robertson as a prospect basically since he's been drafted but saying he's a very good skater is certainly pushing it.

Average skater at best. His compete is amazing, great shot, willing to go to the dirty areas. Good playmaking skills but his skating has never been a strength of his.
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I really disagree with that.

Either way, it's really not a problem part of his game.
 
SprDaVE said:
Whats the play style that leaves to be desired? The sample size at the NHL level is way too low and the minutes have been too low to make any conclusion. His AHL production and play has been very very good. If it wasn't for Covid, this would have been his first AHL eligible season. He wouldn't have been in the NHL either.

He's got an elite level release, very good skater, skilled playmaking abilities with really good hockey IQ. He's not a big strong guy but plays with a lot of heart and intensity, very much like Kadri did.

I think people see him as a 23 year old that hasn't figured it out. But he's really young and with a toolkit you just don't pass on just because he's not a top notch NHLer yet. There this notion the Leafs need to get big huge physical guys to win and that's why Robertson can't possibly have a shot here or that we have to sell high right now on him.
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To me, he looks like a tenacious Trevor Moore without the skating ability and an atypically elite shot arsenal. What’s missing so far is the sniper’s mentality to ghost out of the play and find quiet open space to get the shot off. It’s like he has the Matthew Knies power forward operating system but should probably switch over to more of a Cole Caufield game to match his tools better. This can be developed of course and I’m not writing him off forever.

Overall I’m just not in love with the play style and package. If there’s a big upgrade you can package him off for I’m interested to hear what it is.
 
Stephen said:
To me, he looks like a tenacious Trevor Moore without the skating ability and an atypically elite shot arsenal. What’s missing so far is the sniper’s mentality to ghost out of the play and find quiet open space to get the shot off. It’s like he has the Matthew Knies power forward operating system but should probably switch over to more of a Cole Caufield game to match his tools better. This can be developed of course and I’m not writing him off forever.

Overall I’m just not in love with the play style and package. If there’s a big upgrade you can package him off for I’m interested to hear what it is.
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The goals will start going in for Robertson at the NHL. It's always interesting when a player of his ilk struggles early in the careers when teams give them ~6-8 minutes a games without PP time and wonder how the hell they got so good soon after getting a better shot or getting traded.
 
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Stephen said:
To me, he looks like a tenacious Trevor Moore without the skating ability and an atypically elite shot arsenal. What’s missing so far is the sniper’s mentality to ghost out of the play and find quiet open space to get the shot off. It’s like he has the Matthew Knies power forward operating system but should probably switch over to more of a Cole Caufield game to match his tools better. This can be developed of course and I’m not writing him off forever.

Overall I’m just not in love with the play style and package. If there’s a big upgrade you can package him off for I’m interested to hear what it is.
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Trevor Moore is a good comparison. He’s looked similar to Kase to me with how aggressive he wants to play.
 
We should try and sign Paul Stastny as our 3C

It's too bad we didn't make a better run with Matthews/Marner/Nylander on cheap ELC deals. We have Moore, Kapanen, Johnsson, Kadri, JVR etc.
 
Here is the Bio of the person reporting the Pastranak story. He also is saying that Bergeron is retiring.

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Fluto Shinzawa - The Athletic

Fluto Shinzawa is a senior writer for The Athletic covering the Boston Bruins. He has covered the team since 2006, formerly as a staff writer for The Boston Globe.
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Are Hall and Lindholm going to want out too, if this comes to fruition? Hall finally goes to an ok team, and they go scorched earth. LOL
 
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Eternal Leaf said:
Interesting.

Maybe they can send Marchand to Toronto while they're at it. :sarcasm:
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We will see what kind of player Marchand is after his hip surgery. Others who have had similar surgeries, have taken nearly a year to get back to their game, and Marchand isn't that young anymore.
 
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Pastrnak is about to make a lot of money in a years time. He will likely easily take over 12M to re-sign long-term. These rumours might make him take a little less to make sure he stays but I don't think he owes them anything.

I will say that I will commend the Bruins being brutally honest about their team and getting ahead of their rebuild. They also have a bunch of players injured long-term and that won't be ready to start the season, so that team will be awful this upcoming season and they know it. Their prospect pool is awful so it's probably time for them to reset.

They likely really regret re-signing Lindholm though right now.
 
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SprDaVE said:
The goals will start going in for Robertson at the NHL. It's always interesting when a player of his ilk struggles early in the careers when teams give them ~6-8 minutes a games without PP time and wonder how the hell they got so good soon after getting a better shot or getting traded.
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Yeah I’m just not especially invested in the player. If he pans out in Toronto, excellent. If we trade him for something great that helps us today, excellent. If he thrives somewhere else and we get back great value, that’s fine too.
 
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I’m wondering Nashville loses Forsberg if they would be a motivated buyer for someone like Nylander?
 
SprDaVE said:
The goals will start going in for Robertson at the NHL. It's always interesting when a player of his ilk struggles early in the careers when teams give them ~6-8 minutes a games without PP time and wonder how the hell they got so good soon after getting a better shot or getting traded.
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For me he just looked like a boy playing against men.
Not a young man playing against men, a boy.

Perhaps it is the too much hype scenario.
 
ULF_55 said:
For me he just looked like a boy playing against men.
Not a young man playing against men, a boy.

Perhaps it is the too much hype scenario.
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He's literally been a boy, playing against men. He's young, he's small, and he has to work on his core strength, and balance. He gets knocked down, and around too much. I don't expect a power forward by any stretch, but he really needs to work on his core, and leg strength. Even a small guy like Marner has incredible strength. There was video of Marner a few years ago squatting 375 lbs. Robertson also needs some luck, and time to have a good hockey summer, free of injury, to work on his deficiencies... really, this summer should be exactly that for him.

I really don't have expectations for him, but if he puts the time in the gym, and works on his game this off season, we should know what we have in him next year.
 
The pandemic really clouded the way a lot of people around here see Robertson. His name was pushed to the front of the line because of the incredibly dominant season he was having at the time of the shutdown and then nowhere to play.

It allowed him to get to the AHL sooner than allowable at his age. He struggled in his very short NHL stints and people are wriitng him off.

He wa absolutely dominant after his return from injury in the AHL this season. The people around here that watch AHL games know this. Robertson is a damn good player and if weren't for the pandemic, he would just be coming up on a lot of people's radars around here now. He is a 2001 born. We're lucky to have him.

He needs to work on his strength this summer (as all young players do). If he can get some more balance he will have a strong year this year.
 
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