Confirmed with Link: NYR/VAN: Carson Soucy for 3rd Round Pick from VGK trade

[Jaromir Jagr]

We really had two problems with our defense the last couple of years when Trouba was here.

1) It had two absolute hell no's in the top 4.

2) It needed a significant talent upgrade regardless.

The thing I'm afraid of is that they solved the first one, so now they're just gonna paper over the second one with a bunch of Some Guys and that's it, that's what we're going to war with. Fox and some guys we found.

Pretty much my view. Confounding how for a decade now those in charge have failed to put an emphasis on D. Even more so when you consider our franchise player went from one goalie to another.

You'd think that a team investing so much in their goaltender would try and give them the most stout D-corps on earth. But hey - what do I know?

We had one year where it really looked glorious with the addition of Stralman and then we let him walk and frankly have never recovered.

 

[Machinehead]

Pretty much my view. Confounding how for a decade now those in charge have failed to put an emphasis on D. Even more so when you consider our franchise player went from one goalie to another.

You'd think that a team investing so much in their goaltender would try and give them the most stout D-corps on earth. But hey - what do I know?

We had one year where it really looked glorious with the addition of Stralman and then we let him walk and frankly have never recovered.

It's not a perfect solution, but if people want a quick plan that isn't "wait however many years to actually draft a legit center," you go out and get another #1 defenseman. Preferably left-handed and you put him on the "second pair."

If you have no obvious path to fill the holes you have on a hypothetical Cup roster, you stack the position you know you have filled already and make it overwhelming.

Again, I don't think it's a great idea, but a lot of people don't want to rebuild into oblivion, and I get that. The fastest track to this team becoming good is making significant upgrades to a defense corps that already has Adam Fox.

 

[SA16]

Pretty much my view. Confounding how for a decade now those in charge have failed to put an emphasis on D. Even more so when you consider our franchise player went from one goalie to another.

You'd think that a team investing so much in their goaltender would try and give them the most stout D-corps on earth. But hey - what do I know?

We had one year where it really looked glorious with the addition of Stralman and then we let him walk and frankly have never recovered.

If the goaltender, that you invested so much in, needs to be provided with the "most stout D-corps on earth" then why did you need to invest so much in that goaltender in the first place?

Investing so much in a goalie should allow you to spend less than most teams on the defense since he should be able to make up for a lesser d core. If he can't then there was no point in paying him.

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

Rangers when you tell them a defenseman’s job isn’t just defending

 

[kovazub94]

If the goaltender, that you invested so much in, needs to be provided with the "most stout D-corps on earth" then why did you need to invest so much in that goaltender in the first place?

Investing so much in a goalie should allow you to spend less than most teams on the defense since he should be able to make up for a lesser d core. If he can't then there was no point in paying him.

Maybe semantics but IMO top goalie should allow his team to spend less on top-end forwards, not D core.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

If the goaltender, that you invested so much in, needs to be provided with the "most stout D-corps on earth" then why did you need to invest so much in that goaltender in the first place?

Investing so much in a goalie should allow you to spend less than most teams on the defense since he should be able to make up for a lesser d core. If he can't then there was no point in paying him.

It's absolutely unreal how people are ok with our goalie being as good as the D around him. It's absolute insanity. What the f*** did we spend 11.5M for him for? And beyond that this f***ing bum has lost enough games where we were the better team. He had a stretch of like 4 games this season where he was prime Hasek. Now he's f***ing Cloutier. He's not even as good as the D around him. And Quick is hit or miss, when it's miss it looks like what we see today.

 

[Raspewtin]

fun fact

he f***ing sucks

 

[zlev]

he's like, Tinordi bad

 

[GAGLine]

I hope it's just difficulty in adjusting to a new team/system, but he hasn't been good. He has 18 more games to show us something.

 

[17futurecap]

 

[mas0764]

It wasnt his team. he gets blamed for many of the problems but Gorton acquired and drafted many of the players on last year's team. Only now after all these trades do we have a clearer vision of Drury's plan.

His vision sucks

 

[Filthy Dangles]

Got absolutely embarassed and dangled by (albeit an infinitely better) fellow defenseman tonight.

 

[mrmovies779]

We traded Lindgren only to replace him with..well...Lindgren

 

[Raspewtin]

We traded Lindgren only to replace him with..well...Lindgren

no but it's different this time! he's TALL and allegedly MEAN!!!!

 

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

Another Drury special

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Drury "Our breakout sucks, who's the biggest player available?"

 

[NYR2007]

He got just 13mins of ice time . At least the coach recognized how bad he is

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Ok, here's the thing last season he was good. This season he has sucked. But as others have said so did Borgen. De Haan was killed by the Avs fans as well. I wish we gave up our own 3rd rounder, no clue why it had to be San Jose's but maybe this was a roll of the dice that he gets back to his form last year.

Also, not for nothing I'm starting to get convinced that these mythical Stralman like defensemen that people stomp their feet at us not getting are few and far between. I get the feeling that in 2025 when being a defenseman is more than being big and mean it's very hard to find a guy that can skate and pass and play defense. Those guys probably don't become available all that much. I'm not 100% against Drury taking a shot hoping a guy would rebound because these defensemen we want are really hard to get. I don't think it'll preclude us from upgrading in the offseason. As someone said in another thread Drury recognizes when he has a lemon. Even if he initially makes the mistake. He got rid of Nemeth the very next season. He tried to get rid of Trouba this past offseason and then did this year, there's a reason he only signed Lindgren to one year, and then he got a good deal for him. He's sometimes slow and makes mistakes but I don't get the feeling that he is completely oblivious. Let these 20 games be a dress rehearsal for Soucy and if he sucks I wouldn't be surprised if he's not on the team next year.

Problem becomes when you have guys like Mika and Shesterkin getting NMCs and he's f***ed. But a guy like Soucy I'm not losing sleep over yet.

 

[ReddestRum]

I hope it's just difficulty in adjusting to a new team/system, but he hasn't been good. He has 18 more games to show us something.

No need to adjust to a new defensive system when the team doesn't play defense.