Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 Part XI - Deadline Looming

[SprDaVE]

Seems more and more likely this is gonna happen.

 

[Mickey Marner]

Even at 50% Giordano takes up almost all of our cap space. Not the end of the world, but I don't think we're a Mark Giordano away from the cup.

 

[The Podium]

It's ironic to see teams like Florida and Carolina succeed with the sort of analytics-driven moneyball approach that we were being sold with the Dubas hiring. Even somewhat at our own expense with guys like Marchment, Andersen, Jarvis and to a lesser extent Verhaeghe.

The fact that you believe this means you don’t understand the analytics driven models. Floridas are an absolute mess and relies mainly on unsustainable offense from half their team to out score their issues and Carolina is exceeding their defensive analytics.

In fact, the times Dubas gambles on his analytic models, his bets work out (Bunting, Kampf, Kase, Lyubushkin) and when he veers from them he generally sinks (Ritchie, Foligno).

 

[dubplatepressure]

come home my brother.

 

[CDN24]

he has a modified NTC can submit 19 teams he can be traded too. Not sure who is on his 12 team no trade or when he submitts that list. If he really wants Leafs he maybe able to veto some of the other suitors which may bring the price down

 

[The Podium]

With his trade limitations and the “respect “ factor for a vet nearing retirement, maybe we finally see the Leafs on the cheap cost to acquire end of these goodwill deals.

 

[SprDaVE]

Even at 50% Giordano takes up almost all of our cap space. Not the end of the world, but I don't think we're a Mark Giordano away from the cup.

Dermott is on the way out.

 

[Visnovsky]

With what money?

Muzzin can be traded, so can Mrazek and Holl.

 

[Jacquestrapless]

Can someone give me the rundown on Jack McBain and why teams are eyeing this dude? Something about the way he plays, perhaps? Because nothing about his statline gives me any indication of anything special.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Florida is a good offensive team but defensivly its pretty hard.

Its fun to heard everybody saying florida is too good and toronto too bad defensivly defensivly and in net... panthers are not a better defensive team than toronto and bobrosvky never prove more than any leafs goalie than he can win in playoff with his sv % above 0.900 and his 3.24 gaa in career

Or last year heard panthers was very good against tampa when they allowed 24 goal in 6 games, so 4 goal by games. Only stl was worst..

The Panthers actually did look like the better team than Tampa, at least for the most part.

Goaltending really let them down. Few timely saves and a lot of beach balls =/= winning a series even when you are the better team. It wasn't even like Vasilevsky did all that well either; he just didn't completely suck like the guys at the other end.

Then again, that pretty much describes most of the last 5 years for Toronto's playoff runs so I am sure Leafs fans are fully aware.

 

[Sypher04]

He is their inaugural captain, they should do right by him. I really only want Giordano at a cheaper cost. Definitely not market

 

[leafsfan5]

Everything adds up to getting Gio at this point

He wants to be here
Pair him with Brodie
Lindholm’s price is likely very high

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Can someone give me the rundown on Jack McBain and why teams are eyeing this dude? Something about the way he plays, perhaps? Because nothing about his statline gives me any indication of anything special.

He is big, he can somewhat play physical (although it is not exactly a defining aspect of his game or anything), wins draws, is fairly good in his own end, and had a really good season production-wise.


That being said, he didn't stand out at the Olympics like Knies and Abruzzese did, and much like Hyman, was fairly underwhelming before his senior year. Not bad, but hardly anything that commands a 2nd round pick asking price from Minnesota. I would say he tops out as a solid 3C if everything goes well, and that is still far from a certainty at this point. We are a team which gets better prospects out of our 2nds. If other teams are clamouring for him and he goes to a team that really wants him, then kudos.

Just go hard after Ben Meyers when he is available and I am happy. I also would not mind a guy like Spencer Meier out of SCSU, but I am not sure if that is more on an AHL contract or an SPC at this point.

 

[Kurtz]

I'm certainly aware of the role he played but I think you are overestimating his role and even that role was too much for him.

Lowest Ozone start% just on the Habs D in the playoffs from that list:

1. Kulak: 34.29
2. Edmonson: 37.38
3. Weber: 41.51
4. Chiarot: 42.86
5. Petry: 45.92
6. Merill: 47.22

QoC wasnt the highest on the team either. (Weber, not even close)

The Habs themselves were one of the worst finals teams in quite some time getting carried by an amazing performance by Price and found themselves buried in defensive zone starts quite often. Chariot's defensive numbers were the worst on the team and one of the worst in the league.

He fared very poorly when compared against other "shutdown" D in the league, thats for sure. It's why I could run the same numbers and come with insanely positive results for a guy like Pelech who plays tougher minutes. He's an actual amazing defensive D though.

Sure, and where do Edmunson and Weber rank in the stats that you've provided? I wager quite low as well.

You mentioned Pelech, who I agree, is unequivocally one of the best defensive dmen out there. So let's look at his corsi/fenwick from NYI's last 2 deep playoff runs:

19-20: CF 44%, Fen: 47%.
20-21: CF 41%, Fen 41%.

Awful, right? Maybe the worst amongst all dmen. And yet we know he's elite defensively.

Again, if you're going to bother investing your time in researching those stats, you need to look at the whole picture.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Everything adds up to getting Gio at this point

He wants to be here
Pair him with Brodie
Lindholm’s price is likely very high

everything's coming up milhouse

 

[SprDaVE]

Not sure where the hate for Giordano comes from. He's not a big hitter but he doesn't shy away from the gritty stuff at all either, very similar to Brodie in that sense. He's not the same player he was 3 years ago offensively but he's still a very competent 2-way player that gives you very good mid pairing minutes.

If Muzzin is healthy though... I'm not sure how the hell they are gonna figure out who plays and who doesn't.

 

[Leafs1991]

That they can have a good defense and still be near the bottom of the league.

They dont have good defense. I've seen enough games to know they're pretty trash.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Everything adds up to getting Gio at this point

He wants to be here
Pair him with Brodie
Lindholm’s price is likely very high

Is Giordano going to upgrade Sandin to the point where he is worth the price though?

If Muzzin is coming back for the playoffs, Sandin is likely coming out.

TBH, I am not so sure. Maybe the Leafs don't want both Sandin and Liljegren in the lineup unless there are injuries, but I think they want at least one of them in the lineup. We've already made a move to ensure the former doesn't need to happen.

It's nothing against Gio more than the Leafs don't really have a need for a defenseman unless they move Dermott, and even then it would be a #7/8 LD.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Not sure why Dubas would have his sights set on a 38 year old rental who isn't overly good and doesn't play a position of need, but at least it can't be worse than the Foligno trade

 

[thusk]

The Panthers actually did look like the better team than Tampa, at least for the most part.

Goaltending really let them down. Few timely saves and a lot of beach balls =/= winning a series even when you are the better team. It wasn't even like Vasilevsky did all that well either; he just didn't completely suck like the guys at the other end.

Then again, that pretty much describes most of the last 5 years for Toronto's playoff runs so I am sure Leafs fans are fully aware.

And tampa played by far their worst series last 2 years and still won

Florida will play with the same goalie too.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

And tampa played by far their worst series last 2 years and still won

Florida will play with the same goalie too.

Oh I am fully agreeing with you. Florida looked good and their goaltending (the same they are using now) let them down.

 

[Burnie97]

Not sure where the hate for Giordano comes from. He's not a big hitter but he doesn't shy away from the gritty stuff at all either, very similar to Brodie in that sense. He's not the same player he was 3 years ago offensively but he's still a very competent 2-way player that gives you very good mid pairing minutes.

If Muzzin is healthy though... I'm not sure how the hell they are gonna figure out who plays and who doesn't.

Definitely one or two D man need to be traded off the Leafs. I expect to see it.

 

[Legion34]

Not sure why Dubas would have his sights set on a 38 year old rental who isn't overly good and doesn't play a position of need, but at least it can't be worse than the Foligno trade

Gio can play right and is excellent defensively

Gives options

Re unite with Brodie.
Muzz gio?

It’s a good by moderate range. He would also probably come back for cheap. I don’t want 1st and 4th price but if it’s a 2nd and like dermott I’m happy or swap mrazek for dreiger.

 

[Sypher04]

Not sure where the hate for Giordano comes from. He's not a big hitter but he doesn't shy away from the gritty stuff at all either, very similar to Brodie in that sense. He's not the same player he was 3 years ago offensively but he's still a very competent 2-way player that gives you very good mid pairing minutes.

If Muzzin is healthy though... I'm not sure how the hell they are gonna figure out who plays and who doesn't.

I like the player, mostly. But he has clearly lost a step in his skating and that worries me a bit which is personally why (combined with cap hit) he’s not super high on my list. I’ll be far from upset if we get him though. I still see plenty of ways he can contribute

 

[ITM]

Dermott is on the way out.

A man can hope.