Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 Part XI - Deadline Looming

[dubplatepressure]

What Im saying is, would you mortgage your future by trading away Matthews, if it meant you win a Cup this season? Im not saying you should or shouldnt. The point Im trying to make is, would you do anything to win a Cup this season? Obviously its to the extreme with Matthews, and value with what the Panthers have/are trading away does not equal Matthews. Because I keep reading (not here) that the Panthers are mortgaging part of their future for this playoff run, and I just do not understand the reasoning behind it. Yes, we are giving up valuable pieces that can offset any loss we have seasons down the road, but the ultimate goal is to win the Cup, would you not want your GM to put your team in the best possible position? Again, not by emptying the cupboard, but using those assets when need be.

IMO it’s too abstractly hypothetical to determine. Sure? Absolutely not? Why would we need to trade our best player to win a cup?

 

[pb1300]

IMO it’s too abstractly hypothetical to determine. Sure? Absolutely not? Why would we need to trade our best player to win a cup?

Its obviously to the extreme, trading away your best player. But I used AM as an example because using Marner or Tavares would probably result in an easy yes.

 

[Griffin76]

What Im saying is, would you mortgage your future by trading away Matthews, if it meant you win a Cup this season? Im not saying you should or shouldnt. The point Im trying to make is, would you do anything to win a Cup this season? Obviously its to the extreme with Matthews, and value with what the Panthers have/are trading away does not equal Matthews. Because I keep reading (not here) that the Panthers are mortgaging part of their future for this playoff run, and I just do not understand the reasoning behind it. Yes, we are giving up valuable pieces that can offset any loss we have seasons down the road, but the ultimate goal is to win the Cup, would you not want your GM to put your team in the best possible position? Again, not by emptying the cupboard, but using those assets when need be.

I don't see any possible trade scenario out there that would entice them to trade Matthews.

 

[Advanced stats]

My realistic preference:

Dermott for Middleton swap.

Motte-like player for the 4th like. Someone with more spunk
Maybe an insurance goalie. I believe campbell gets it together though.


Dream scenario: we get one of Lindholm or Chychryn.

 

[pb1300]

I don't see any possible trade scenario out there that would entice them to trade Matthews.

Again, it wasnt about realistically trading him away, it was more about the concept on would you do anything you had to, if it meant you win the Cup.

 

[Griffin76]

Again, it wasnt about realistically trading him away, it was more about the concept on would you do anything you had to, if it meant you win the Cup.

Ok. Then I don't see any trade scenario out there for Matthews that would increase our chances of winning a cup. The ultimate goal is the cup, yes. But I don't think there's any way that trading him could ever increase the odds of that happening.

 

[ULF_55]

I have a question for you Leafs fans....if you knew that winning the Cup this season hinged on you trading Matthews, would you do it? Serious question.

Im a Panthers fan. Have been since the teams inception. I was a Islanders fan before, but not really a big hockey fan, before moving to South Florida. I was born into hockey with the team. I want to win. Not a round, or make the Finals again, I want to see them hoist the Cup. Its been almost 30 years. I can only imagine what its been like for you guys.

Trying to be as unbiased as I can, Chiarot, and maybe Giroux, makes the Panthers the favorite in the East. If these moves mean a Cup run, you absolutely make the trades Zito has made so far. All that we can worry about is the present. The future is a question mark. The Panthers will have options in the future, and should be able to keep most of its core together, but again, its about now. Which is why I asked about the Matthews trade. For a fan base that hasnt won anything in decades (and I mean that respectfully), would you mortgage Matthews future for a Cup this season?

Florida is offensive heavy on the blueline, and needed someone more defensive, who will clear the crease, and battle in the corners. Not to say the Panthers current Dmen arent capable of that, but Chiarot is more accomplished at it. And if need be, Ekblad and Weegar could be split, allowing Weegar to play his natural right side, and make the blueline even better. Its probably going to be a late 1st rounder next season as well (knock on wood).

Also....Viola is very invested in the team, and very wealthy. Just look at the money they invested on their new practice facility in Ft Lauderdale, where the War Memorial is right now. Zito has done a ton of additions and upgrades with personnel off the ice.

Depends on the return for Matthews. A single Cup and then basement for a decade? No I've seen Cups. A single Cup is history as soon as the next year.

Being greedy I want the Cup and continuous entertainment for the next several years.

So if it wasn't a short term rental, but a package that kept them in contention in the coming seasons, yes. Matthews is currently a medium term rental, but hopefully becomes long term in a couple seasons.

 

[Torontonian]

Nice to see Hampus Lindholm appears to be their number one target. I don't think Toronto would mind trading 2023 first round pick and holding onto 2022 first round pick.

Also good to see they are looking to ice a better fourth line, Spezza and Wayne shouldn't be playing every single night, there are players out there that could make our 4th line way more useful.

 

[ToneDog]

Nice to see Hampus Lindholm appears to be their number one target. I don't think Toronto would mind trading 2023 first round pick and holding onto 2022 first round pick.

Also good to see they are looking to ice a better fourth line, Spezza and Wayne shouldn't be playing every single night, there are players out there that could make our 4th line way more useful.

Bunkis was just discussing with Servelli. Ask is 1st + best prospect + ??. 1st + Knies + ?? and you have to be able to resign him if you are paying that price IMO. Not sure if he'd take the Rielly deal or wants more.

Maybe Dubas holds out for Gio hoping Seattle will soften the closer you get to 3 pm Monday.

 

[fahad203]

Bunkis was just discussing with Servelli. Ask is 1st + best prospect + ??. 1st + Knies + ?? and you have to be able to resign him if you are paying that price IMO. Not sure if he'd take the Rielly deal or wants more.

Maybe Dubas holds out for Gio hoping Seattle will soften the closer you get to 3 pm Monday.

Too much for a rental. If he agrees to sign a deal then maybe

This is still Lindholm, not Pronger. He's a good defencemen, who can move the puck and sound positionally
But for that price, you would want an elite defencemen

 

[SprDaVE]

It doesn't feel like the Leafs are involved here... Just a gut feeling. We would have been linked by now.

 

[Visnovsky]

I would pay a 1st '23 + Niemelä and something like Hirvonen for Lindholm, not a penny more - if the ask is more, then move on.

Would not pay a 2nd, nevertheless more than that for McBain - straight up for Duszak? He'd get a chance in Minnesota and has asked for a trade.

 

[Scion]

Nice to see Hampus Lindholm appears to be their number one target. I don't think Toronto would mind trading 2023 first round pick and holding onto 2022 first round pick.

Also good to see they are looking to ice a better fourth line, Spezza and Wayne shouldn't be playing every single night, there are players out there that could make our 4th line way more useful.

I'm terrified at the cost of Lindholm for a month. I'd much rather target cheaper options, or guys with term if I'm paying a ransom.

 

[Scion]

I would pay a 1st '23 + Niemelä and something like Hirvonen for Lindholm, not a penny more - if the ask is more, then move on.

Would not pay a 2nd, nevertheless more than that for McBain - straight up for Duszak? He'd get a chance in Minnesota and has asked for a trade.

See, I wouldn't even consider that. Why trade one of the few good RHD we have drafted and developed in the last decade for a month of one player?

 

[Burnie97]

 

[Amadeus]

Is it just me or that teams like Florida seem to have never ending cap space?

 

[Visnovsky]

See, I wouldn't even consider that. Why trade one of the few good RHD we have drafted and developed in the last decade for a month of one player?

Welp, forgot to mention that Lindholm would have to accept to re-sign, otherwise I would not do it either.

 

[Scion]

Bunkis was just discussing with Servelli. Ask is 1st + best prospect + ??. 1st + Knies + ?? and you have to be able to resign him if you are paying that price IMO. Not sure if he'd take the Rielly deal or wants more.

Maybe Dubas holds out for Gio hoping Seattle will soften the closer you get to 3 pm Monday.

If Dubas trades Knies we are f***ed.

 

[Scion]

Welp, forgot to mention that Lindholm would have to accept to re-sign, otherwise I would not do it either.

With what money?

 

[Burnie97]

Lindholm or Giordano would be great pickups but the prices seem wacky.

I'm not sure how we really fit them. Muzzin sounds like he's most likely coming back before the end of the season.

Someone that makes a good chunk of money on the Leafs would have to be traded. It's doable but they'd have to make a couple big trades to make things fit it seems.

 

[Mickey Marner]

I like Lindholm, but I wouldn't ante up for a rental. He moves our defense into the same tier as our first round opponent (Tampa, Florida, Carolina), not above them. A 1st + top prospect to swing with the big boys for a month or two is a steep price.

 

[ULF_55]

Too much for a rental. If he agrees to sign a deal then maybe

This is still Lindholm, not Pronger. He's a good defencemen, who can move the puck and sound positionally
But for that price, you would want an elite defencemen

I think you are (my interpretation) suggesting a hockey deal.

I'd be okay with trading for a player who'll sign an extension.

Leave it up to Pridham, or whoever is their Capologist to figure it out in the summer.

As a straight rental, as you say this isn't Pronger who can carry a so-so Oilers team to the finals.

 

[SprDaVE]

Not being mean spirited pointing this out but the same people calling Zito an idiot for getting Chiarot were a lot of the same people calling him an idiot for getting alleged 4th liner Sam Bennett. Sometimes the arrogance around here is unpalatable.

Appealing to authority also isn't a great look either. Zito has made shred moves but he isn't perfect. Doesn't matter if Zito or Dubas or whoever made that trade, it is not very good value for that player. The Chiarot trade right now is very bad. Can it work out? Of course. Are they still a good team? Yeah. We'll see how Chiarot does on a better team but he's had some of the worst defensive metrics for along time even despite starting in the defensive zone a lot.

Erik Gudbranson had the same issues for a while. He bounced team to team and he looked bad. He got signed with the Flames this off-season to a contract I thought was absurd. He's been great on the Flames and they deserve full credit.

Sometimes you make a lucky signing/trade that goes beyond the expectations. It doesn't mean at the time the move wasn't bad.

 

[riffle]

Nice to see Hampus Lindholm appears to be their number one target. I don't think Toronto would mind trading 2023 first round pick and holding onto 2022 first round pick.

Also good to see they are looking to ice a better fourth line, Spezza and Wayne shouldn't be playing every single night, there are players out there that could make our 4th line way more use

Whatever the Leafs do, I pray it works out better than Foligno.

And, Jason and Wayne are both nice stories, but nice stories don't win you rounds. I don't think either should be playing at all, ever.

 

[fahad203]

Appealing to authority also isn't a great look either. Zito has made shred moves but he isn't perfect. The Chiarot right now is very bad. Can it work out? Of course. Are they still a good team? Yeah. We'll see how Chiarot does on a better team but he's had some of the worst defensive metrics for along time even despite starting in the defensive zone a lot.

Erik Gudbranson has had the same people hate him for a long long time. And he was not a very good player for a long long time. He got signed with the Flames this off-season to a contract I thought was absurd. He's been great on the Flames and they deserve full credit.

Everything is relative. Chiarot with Florida will do decent. Florida kind of like Calgary plays a throw back game.

Also somehow that team finds useless projects and turns them into decent players.

Good for Florida to identify a player and go for it. They feel this is their chance as any. They haven't won a series in long time

1st means nothing to them considering they got Verhaege and Marchment for free. Lundell already in their system and progressing really well