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GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 PART X

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Avilaj07 said:
Ok let's be realistic here. He's far from awful. What he is, is being in an absolute awful team who's goalies can't even save a beach ball. Chiarot is what Muzzin was when he first got here, less offense but more defense. Which personally I believe is exactly what this team needs.
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What? Muzzin was actually a defensive stud when he came over here and had really good underlying stats. He was a legitimate top pairing player for the Kings for a few years before coming to us and didn't show any signs of slowing down. Chiarot as of now is the second worst defenseman on a bottom feeder in terms of controlling scoring chances and expected goals. The Habs are analytically much better without him on the ice than they are with him.
 
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Maplebeasts said:
What? Muzzin was actually a defensive stud when he came over here and had really good underlying stats. He was a legitimate top pairing player for the Kings for a few years before coming to us and didn't show any signs of slowing down. Chiarot as of now is the second worst defenseman on a bottom feeder in terms of controlling scoring chances and expected goals. The Habs are analytically much better without him on the ice than they are with him.
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I'm not saying Chiarot and Muzzin are the same player. When Muzzin arrived, yes he was a solid top 4 defenseman, hence the cost to acquire him, which btw is much more then what it would take the acquire Chiarot. What I meant regarding Chiarot was, he brings that same defensive element as Muzzin which this team desperately needs more of. Sometime with size and isn't afraid to use it.
 
Avilaj07 said:
I'm not saying Chiarot and Muzzin are the same player. When Muzzin arrived, yes he was a solid top 4 defenseman, hence the cost to acquire him, which btw is much more then what it would take the acquire Chiarot. What I meant regarding Chiarot was, he brings that same defensive element as Muzzin which this team desperately needs more of. Sometime with size and isn't afraid to use it.
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I want my defensive defensemen to actually be good at defense though. It really doesn't matter that he's big and that he hits because his on-ice results are horrific.
 
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With Keefe giving Rielly different partners in what seems every game now, I'm starting to wonder if maybe he's trying to see who Brodie would fit best with in case he's able to land a partner for Rielly via trade.
 
Bunting - Matthews - marner
Robertson - Tavares - Willy
Kase - Kerfoot - Speeza
Mik - Kamf - Engvall

Rielly - tradedeadline (big stay at home)
Brodies and Muzzin
Holl and Sandin or Bear and Sandin

One good puck mover for each d pair and some phyiscal presence
The third and fourth line could play 10-12 mins both.

I don't think we need forward help, so another d-man top4 is what i hope the leafs trade for.

If we do trade for a defenseman, holl or dermott will have to be traded
 
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Avilaj07 said:
With Keefe giving Rielly different partners in what seems every game now, I'm starting to wonder if maybe he's trying to see who Brodie would fit best with in case he's able to land a partner for Rielly via trade.
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I think it's mainly a matter of being left with only three LHD if Brodie is playing on the right side. That would seem to result in a left side of Rielly-Sandin-Dermott for every game and one of the RHD always sitting out.
 
LeafSteel said:
If we looking at Chicago, go big:

Fleury
Hagel
Connor Murphy

I’d give up stuff in that package, but not anyone named Knies or Topi.

Im fine parting with picks and Robertson if need be here.
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That's the exact package I would love to see the Leafs go after.

To Chicago-
Mrazek
Kerfoot
Holl
Robertson
Kokkenen
1st Round Pick
 
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Nylander and Mrazek

To Tor
Hagel and Fleury + to even out cap

To Seattle
Kerfoot and Holl plus a prospect like Abrusezee SDA Kral Or Villaneuve or combo + pick
To Toronto
Lauzon and Soucy
 
If you have bunting and Hagel teams are going to have a fit with these guys. Honestly something we've been missing in the last few playoffs are pests like this that get in front of the net and cause chaos
 
LeafSteel said:
If we looking at Chicago, go big:

Fleury
Hagel
Connor Murphy

I’d give up stuff in that package, but not anyone named Knies or Topi.

Im fine parting with picks and Robertson if need be here.
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You really should look at this from the other team's view....why would they give up a cost controlled top 6W, top 4D and a starting goalie who's shockingly still very good for not our top 2 prospects but Nick Robertson I guesssssss if I have to + picks.
 
All ball Paul said:
And why is it so bad. There's cap to consider if you are unaware. Covid has stalled any increase which limits spending to improve. We don't give up futures. Wow me with your insight
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Nylander is on the best contract of the big 4, Fleury is a rental who we probably won't be able to afford in the offseason and Hagel by himself doesn't replace Nylander. You're downgrading our top six (the real reason we lost our last 2 playoff series was a lack of scoring) for one playoff run with Fleury when we are probably playing either Tampa or Florida first. It's pretty obvious why your trade sucks dude.
 
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Maplebeasts said:
Nylander is on the best contract of the big 4, Fleury is a rental who we probably won't be able to afford in the offseason and Hagel by himself doesn't replace Nylander. You're downgrading our top six (the real reason we lost our last 2 playoff series was a lack of scoring) for one playoff run with Fleury when we are probably playing either Tampa or Florida first. It's pretty obvious why your trade sucks dude.
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Which Nylander is going to show up. He's got so much talent when he wants to. Our goaltending is a trending concern. What would you propose to upgrade this team?
 
ER89 said:
William will be fine once you get the anchor of his line. Also trading the one guy who played great in the playoffs is absolutely asinine
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Actually, if anything, the last couple of games it seems Willy is the anchor. He looks completely disengaged. The amount of times he's just skated around the perimeter with the puck and either losing it at the blue line or ringing it around the boards when no one is there is the problem. You have to remember, Tavares is a grind it type player and if a teammate has the puck, 99% of the time Tavares is going to be by the net looking for a tip or rebound. When Willy is playing up to his standards, he's aggressive and always looking to shoot at the net or is atleast skating towards it to make a play. But for whatever reason, he hasn't been playing that way at all.
 
Avilaj07 said:
Actually, if anything, the last couple of games it seems Willy is the anchor. He looks completely disengaged. The amount of times he's just skated around the perimeter with the puck and either losing it at the blue line or ringing it around the boards when no one is there is the problem. You have to remember, Tavares is a grind it type player and if a teammate has the puck, 99% of the time Tavares is going to be by the net looking for a tip or rebound. When Willy is playing up to his standards, he's aggressive and always looking to shoot at the net or is atleast skating towards it to make a play. But for whatever reason, he hasn't been playing that way at all.
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agreed. His fly byes are back.

In theory you trade Nylander because his game simply doesn’t translate to playoff production well.
 
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