GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 PART VIII

[hockeywiz542]

LA Kings among the teams interested in Travis Konecny - Hockey Royalty

The LA Kings‘ main need is a top-tier left-handed defenseman, and while I can confirm they are looking into that, I can also say that they’ve shown interest in adding a top-six forward in Travis Konecny.

I've been told that the Kings have some sort of interest in Travis Konecny.

They'd like to add a top-six forward to the mix, and he's one that they've had their eye on.

Multiple teams are in on him, not sure how serious the Kings are, but there's interest there.#GoKingsGo

— Panagiotis Mavridis (@MavridisNHL) February 16, 2022

It’s hard to gauge how much interest the Kings have in Konecny, but sources told me on Wednesday that Los Angeles were among the many teams that have called the Philadelphia Flyers in regards to him.

Along with the Kings, I was told the Buffalo Sabres have also shown interest in the Canadian forward.

 

[rawsensation]

Who would rather keep if we were to trade for Miller

Liligren or Sandin?

Sandin.

 

[4thline]

Man, the "f***it, take two big swings" approach is actually borderline viable

1st+Liljgren+Kerfoot (+likely more) for Miller at 50%
1st+Holl(+) for Murphy

 

[ChuckWoods]

Any idea on the cost of these targets?

Murphy+Hagel is probably sky-high?

I will say throwing out mock proposals has never been my personal strong suit.

Anytime I mention a “package” of players its due to rumors circumstances. Note specifically when I most recently called the campbell+clifford package as those two names had been linked for a bit.

As far as Murphy, I think he goes for an early 2nd or late 1st, Hagel is what complicates this. His value is likely more to Chicago right now than his impact on ice due to his term, age and current form. All that combined, you are looking at a pricey package for sure.

Got it.
What do you think the cost for Gio would be?

The ask has to be a 1st for Seattle. But their expansion strategy didnt exactly scream the ability to return their asking prices. But the deadline can make teams do dumb things and over pay.

 

[4thline]

As far as Murphy, I think he goes for an early 2nd or late 1st, Hagel is what complicates this. His value is likely more to Chicago right now than his impact on ice due to his term, age and current form. All that combined, you are looking at a pricey package for sure.

That low on Murphy? Have they soured on that extension before it kicks in, or is the new management just not as big of fans?

If our first lands Murphy I'd be all in on that package.

 

[ToneDog]

Man, the "f***it, take two big swings" approach is actually borderline viable

1st+Liljgren+Kerfoot (+likely more) for Miller at 50%
1st+Robertson+Holl for Murphy

1st+Robertson+Sandin probably nets you Chychrun.

 

[Mickey Marner]

Murphy/Hagel are only 0.5 more expensive than Holl/Kerfoot. If we could dump Holl in the deal and then get a 2nd for Kerfoot in the off-season, that'd be a decent upgrade without the cap consequences. The Hagel ask is a bit prohibitive though.

 

[Morgs]

JT miller is better

No way. FF09 is the best player on the market and it's not remotely close.

 

[Mckay]

After all these years.. certain people continue to pretend and LARP as an "Insider"

 

[Morgs]

Who would rather keep if we were to trade for Miller

Liligren or Sandin?

Neither are touchable in a Miller trade for me.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

JT miller is better

He might be a safer bet since he has an extra year and can play center, but Forsberg is much better at hockey

 

[Nylanderthal]

What does a purely pick & cap trade for miller look like? I don’t know how much interest there is in Toronto giving up their top prospects as the top guys seem close to being contributors. 2x 1st 1x 2nd?

 

[Griffin76]

1st+Robertson+Sandin probably nets you Chychrun.

I think I suggested this somewhere on the main boards quite a while ago. Of course it got laughed at cause that's what they do. But I think it would work. They get their 1st rounder. A winger that has the potential to be a top 6. Especially on a weaker team. And they get Sandin as a very good replacement on the second pairing in Chychrun's spot. Bump Robertson up to Knies and we could probably get Crouse for next to nothing.

 

[showtime8]

What does a purely pick & cap trade for miller look like? I don’t know how much interest there is in Toronto giving up their top prospects as the top guys seem close to being contributors. 2x 1st 1x 2nd?

I think there was a Canucks poster on here a couple days ago that displayed the 3 options for Canucks. I think his handle is Luc Bourdon or something like that. Essentially, what the Leafs could offer is not likely enough based on options around the league. His reasoning was pretty sound and a bunch of posters here agreed with him.

For me, I think the trade has to include Liljegren to get it done. Question is, do the Leafs want to make that trade with how much time they've put in to developing him. And is there any other defensemen within the pipeline that could come in on an entry level or close deal to fill that void over the next couple years.

 

[4thline]

Murphy/Hagel are only 0.5 more expensive than Holl/Kerfoot. If we could dump Holl in the deal and then get a 2nd for Kerfoot in the off-season, that'd be a decent upgrade without the cap consequences. The Hagel ask is a bit prohibitive though.

Perhaps, but the potential payoff is huge. How much is another Bunting worth to us? Then factor in that he expires to RFA and can still be traded.

 

[Nylanderthal]

I think there was a Canucks poster on here a couple days ago that displayed the 3 options for Canucks. I think his handle is Luc Bourdon or something like that. Essentially, what the Leafs could offer is not likely enough based on options around the league. His reasoning was pretty sound and a bunch of posters here agreed with him.

For me, I think the trade has to include Liljegren to get it done. Question is, do the Leafs want to make that trade with how much time they've put in to developing him. And is there any other defensemen within the pipeline that could come in on an entry level or close deal to fill that void over the next couple years.

Liljegren is too critical to this teams future success imo.

 

[kb]

Liljegren is too critical to this teams future success imo.

Agreed. If Niemela doesn't pan out, the Leafs are back to where they have been historically. Looking for RD.

Liljegren's borderline untouchable for that reason. There's a reason very few good ones move.

 

[Mickey Marner]

Perhaps, but the potential payoff is huge. How much is another Bunting worth to us? Then factor in that he expires to RFA and can still be traded.

I agree, I'm just not sure I want that trade to come at the expense of a Miller trade. Murphy gives us a clear long-term upgrade on Holl, but Hagel just gives us a 3rd Kerfoot/Bunting level forward. Miller's C/W versatility would allow us to mismatch our opponents from lines 1-3.

If we emptied the cupboards for Hagel, Murphy and Miller @50%, I think we would have the best roster in the league two years running.

 

[Morgs]

If anyone claims we need top-4 defense and then are willing to trade either one of the two guys that have played like top-4 defenseman for much of the year in their first real season, grow up.

You don't trade pieces like Liljegren and Sandin without getting a significant improvement for many, many years. JT Miller isn't worth close to that. I'd even hesitate with Niemela, but its also because I don't think Miller is nearly as good as the PPG dictates.

 

[hockeywiz542]

11 assets the Toronto Maple Leafs can offer the Canucks in return for JT Miller - Canucksarmy

Timothy Liljegren

22, RHD, 6’0”, 190lbs

Rasmus Sandin

21, LHD, 5’11”, 183lbs

Topi Niemelä

19, RHD, 6’0”, 163lbs

Nick Robertson

LW, 20, 5’9”, 162lbs

Matthew Knies

LW, 19, 6’3”, 210lbs

Brennan Menell

RHD, 24, 5’11”, 177lbs

Alex Kerfoot

LW/C, 27, 5’10”, 185lbs

Travis Dermott

LHD, 25, 6’0”, 205lbs

Justin Holl

RHD, 30, 6’4”, 210lbs

Ilya Mikheyev

LW, 27, 6’3”, 195lbs

Draft Picks

GM Kyle Dubas and the Maple Leafs hold all of their first and second round picks for the next three years. They have traded away their third, fourth, fifth, and sixth round picks in 2022, but that’s not a major factor in this discussion.

The Leafs’ first round pick this year is going to be in the 20s at best, and could definitely drop much lower than that with Miller on the team.

What’s a potential trade look like?

The Canucks really, really need to add more talent at the RHD position, so it’s got to be either Liljegren or Niemelä at the center of the trade. We’ll take the younger option with the higher upside. For Miller and retention on his contract, the Canucks should ask for an additional pick and prospect on top of the RHD. Knies has appeal for his unique attributes, and a first rounder is always nice. To cinch it, the Canucks take back Holl — a player they can actually use — making the trade nearly-cap-neutral for the Maple Leafs and allowing them to rent someone else at the Trade Deadline.

JT Miller (50% retention) for Topi Niemelä, Matthew Knies, Justin Holl, and a first round pick

Is that a deal you’d want the Canucks to take? Or do you have a better offer? Let it be known in the comment section below.

 

[4thline]

If anyone claims we need top-4 defense and then are willing to trade either one of the two guys that have played like top-4 defenseman for much of the year in their first real season, grow up.

You don't trade pieces like Liljegren and Sandin without getting a significant improvement for many, many years. JT Miller isn't worth close to that. I'd even hesitate with Niemela, but its also because I don't think Miller is nearly as good as the PPG dictates.

The only thing that makes me consider moving a Liljegren is if we're getting a Murphy back in that or another deal. Grey zone of "blocked so much that he becomes moveable, but not so much that he's a redundant waste"

 

[showtime8]

Liljegren is too critical to this teams future success imo.

Given that the Leafs know their positioning now, it doesn't really matter what he can bring in 3 years. They need results and I think management knows that.

 

[The Podium]

11 assets the Toronto Maple Leafs can offer the Canucks in return for JT Miller - Canucksarmy

Timothy Liljegren

22, RHD, 6’0”, 190lbs

Rasmus Sandin

21, LHD, 5’11”, 183lbs

Topi Niemelä

19, RHD, 6’0”, 163lbs

Nick Robertson

LW, 20, 5’9”, 162lbs

Matthew Knies

LW, 19, 6’3”, 210lbs

Brennan Menell

RHD, 24, 5’11”, 177lbs

Alex Kerfoot

LW/C, 27, 5’10”, 185lbs

Travis Dermott

LHD, 25, 6’0”, 205lbs

Justin Holl

RHD, 30, 6’4”, 210lbs

Ilya Mikheyev

LW, 27, 6’3”, 195lbs

Draft Picks

GM Kyle Dubas and the Maple Leafs hold all of their first and second round picks for the next three years. They have traded away their third, fourth, fifth, and sixth round picks in 2022, but that’s not a major factor in this discussion.

The Leafs’ first round pick this year is going to be in the 20s at best, and could definitely drop much lower than that with Miller on the team.

What’s a potential trade look like?

The Canucks really, really need to add more talent at the RHD position, so it’s got to be either Liljegren or Niemelä at the center of the trade. We’ll take the younger option with the higher upside. For Miller and retention on his contract, the Canucks should ask for an additional pick and prospect on top of the RHD. Knies has appeal for his unique attributes, and a first rounder is always nice. To cinch it, the Canucks take back Holl — a player they can actually use — making the trade nearly-cap-neutral for the Maple Leafs and allowing them to rent someone else at the Trade Deadline.

JT Miller (50% retention) for Topi Niemelä, Matthew Knies, Justin Holl, and a first round pick

Is that a deal you’d want the Canucks to take? Or do you have a better offer? Let it be known in the comment section below.

That’s an awful deal for Toronto.

 

[The Podium]

Given that the Leafs know their positioning now, it doesn't really matter what he can bring in 3 years. They need results and I think management knows that.

They need results now and in 3 years.

 

[kb]

Given that the Leafs know their positioning now, it doesn't really matter what he can bring in 3 years. They need results and I think management knows that.

If Liljegren is in any trade, it won't be because Connor Murphy is blocking him.