GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 PART VIII

[4thline]

Oh man...

How good would a JT-Bennett-88/Marner line look right now?

Nothing on my radar right now really, maybe Gurionov? Kinda disappointing season.

The problem with Bennett (and why I didn't get upset that we didn't go for him) is that he was always a rental. We need a guy a notch down on the upside/salary leverage meter so that we can take advantage of the boom for longer.

 

[stickty111]

It's insane. I believe they've been the two most valuable defenseman on the team overall, and have both looked like legitimate top-4 guys as the season has gone on.

Sandin has proved to be more valuable so I do get it, but there's 5 other defenseman on this roster I'd trade before I trade either one of them. You simply don't trade guys who look like this at their age.

Unless it's a home tun player, Sandin and Liljegren are off limits or should be.

 

[Fogelhund]

Any Bennett type reclamation projects out there?

Answering my own question based on the "TSN trade bait board" I see Zacha/Debrusk/Roslovic/Tippett as general fits to that description

Maybe Comtois, but that's more of an injury related issue, that should be better next year, and he'd be unlikely to contribute to us this year... and I doubt Ducks would move him anyway.

 

[Morgs]

Has or is? Wait.. .you'll see it.

What would you value him at, in terms of assets out? His utility as a C/Winger is interesting too...

At full cost I'd do 1st + non-Niemela/Knies/Amirov/Robertson prospect + basically any bottom-6F or Dermott/Holl on the roster.

For 50%, I'd add pick value or switch the prospect to one of Knies/Robby and lesser the NHL ready player in the trade.

If they want more than that (Liljegren/Sandin in any capacity) hang up the phone and use less assets to grab a better player in FF09 and figure out a way to keep him.

 

[Morgs]

Any Bennett type reclamation projects out there?

Answering my own question based on the "TSN trade bait board" I see Zacha/Debrusk/Roslovic/Tippett as general fits to that description

Debrusk stands out to me. Underrated passing ability coupled with a proven ability to score goals. I like Roslovic, but I have doubts. Not huge on Zacha or Tippett.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

It's insane. I believe they've been the two most valuable defenseman on the team overall, and have both looked like legitimate top-4 guys as the season has gone on.

Sandin has proved to be more valuable so I do get it, but there's 5 other defenseman on this roster I'd trade before I trade either one of them. You simply don't trade guys who look like this at their age.

Sandin and Liljegren have both looked dominant and at their best together, although Sandin has looked better when they've been separated. But to be fair to Liljegren, having to play a top 4 role with this version of Muzzin as his partner is a pretty huge challenge. Ideally, they should probably just stay partners and get a larger role

 

[WTFMAN99]

The problem with Bennett (and why I didn't get upset that we didn't go for him) is that he was always a rental. We need a guy a notch down on the upside/salary leverage meter so that we can take advantage of the boom for longer.

He was 2.55M and still had this year at 2.55M then RFA upon expiry, we could have simply moved on from Kerfoot and shaved $1M, we could have protected him.

Re-signed to a modest $4.45M deal and I think that deal would have been similar for us, would have liked to be a Leaf I believe.

We missed, some of us were into him, some not.

Everyone caught onto Hagel, I was pushing his name a bit last year.

Kubalik low shooting %, maybe available. I think Dylan Strome is undervalued in Chicago, may not QO him.

Gurionov again in Dallas is a real option, could displace Kerfoot in top 6.

 

[4thline]

Debrusk stands out to me. Underrated passing ability coupled with a proven ability to score goals. I like Roslovic, but I have doubts. Not huge on Zacha or Tippett.

IMO Tippett's not a fit as a pure RW, and with top RW blocked I think Roslovic's upside is another Kerfoot type swingman, but without a slot to show chemistry with the big boys.

Agree Debrusk looks like a good fit, though I don't see how that trade works out in the division?

Why don't you like Zacha?

 

[4thline]

@WTFMAN99 the 2.5 expired last season and he's in the first of the 4.4 now.

Kubalik could be an interesting option. If he clicked I don't think we have a chance in hell of re-signing him, but would allow us to recoup value in the off-season. Also the "click" potential could be huge.

 

[Morgs]

IMO Tippett's not a fit as a pure RW, and with RW blocked I think Roslovic's upside is another Kerfoot type swingman.

Agree Debrusk looks like a good fit, though I don't see how that trade works out in the division?

Why don't you like Zacha?

Tippett is the worst defensively on the list and Florida has given him countless opportunities to get it going. Florida right now is the place where guys down bad are looking to go... just not a good look imo.

DeBrusk is the best positional fit and best player on this list. Not to mention his value can't be high with him publicly asking out.

I like Roslovic and think with a better fit and linemates he'd be able to get better. I just don't think it'll be significant enough that he'd be worth justifying the asset cost.

Zacha I don't understand the player he is. He's been a guy that has sold out for offense basically his whole career (and has done nothing offensively), and suddenly at the age of 24 decided "maybe I suck offensively, let me play elite defense" overnight? I just don't trust the offense will ever come and the defense will stay at this level. I just don't see upside with him besides a ridiculous game once a year.

 

[WTFMAN99]

@WTFMAN99 the 2.5 expired last season and he's in the first of the 4.4 now.

Kubalik could be an interesting option. If he clicked I don't think we have a chance in hell of re-signing him, but would allow us to recoup value in the off-season.

My bad, years mixed up

Kubalik has a stupidly bad shooting % this year, snake bitten like crazy.

Maybe can be convinced to sign on for a slight increase like 3.75M for 1 year to hang with Czech buddies Kampf and Kase.

 

[LeafSteel]

11 assets the Toronto Maple Leafs can offer the Canucks in return for JT Miller - Canucksarmy

Timothy Liljegren

22, RHD, 6’0”, 190lbs

Rasmus Sandin

21, LHD, 5’11”, 183lbs

Topi Niemelä

19, RHD, 6’0”, 163lbs

Nick Robertson

LW, 20, 5’9”, 162lbs

Matthew Knies

LW, 19, 6’3”, 210lbs

Brennan Menell

RHD, 24, 5’11”, 177lbs

Alex Kerfoot

LW/C, 27, 5’10”, 185lbs

Travis Dermott

LHD, 25, 6’0”, 205lbs

Justin Holl

RHD, 30, 6’4”, 210lbs

Ilya Mikheyev

LW, 27, 6’3”, 195lbs

Draft Picks

GM Kyle Dubas and the Maple Leafs hold all of their first and second round picks for the next three years. They have traded away their third, fourth, fifth, and sixth round picks in 2022, but that’s not a major factor in this discussion.

The Leafs’ first round pick this year is going to be in the 20s at best, and could definitely drop much lower than that with Miller on the team.

What’s a potential trade look like?

The Canucks really, really need to add more talent at the RHD position, so it’s got to be either Liljegren or Niemelä at the center of the trade. We’ll take the younger option with the higher upside. For Miller and retention on his contract, the Canucks should ask for an additional pick and prospect on top of the RHD. Knies has appeal for his unique attributes, and a first rounder is always nice. To cinch it, the Canucks take back Holl — a player they can actually use — making the trade nearly-cap-neutral for the Maple Leafs and allowing them to rent someone else at the Trade Deadline.

JT Miller (50% retention) for Topi Niemelä, Matthew Knies, Justin Holl, and a first round pick

Is that a deal you’d want the Canucks to take? Or do you have a better offer? Let it be known in the comment section below.

JT Miller (50% retention) for Topi Niemelä, Matthew Knies, Justin Holl, and a first round pick

That proposal is nauseating. Vancouver asks for that, and I have 2 words that aren’t Happy Birthday.

 

[horner]

Sandin - untouchable
Niemela - Nearly untouchable
Liljegren - I am open to it

I don't know how likely it is Liljegren hits the top 4 potential and if he's a 3rd pairing guy, he doesn't bring a crazy unique element to the group.

Just my 2 cents.

I have a feeling Arizona wants Sandin in any Chychrun trade which kills my interest.

Knies untouchable

 

[WTFMAN99]

Knies untouchable

I hang up the phone if someone asks for Knies, full stop.

 

[tony135420]

JT Miller (50% retention) for Topi Niemelä, Matthew Knies, Justin Holl, and a first round pick

That proposal is nauseating. Vancouver asks for that, and I have 2 words that aren’t Happy Birthday.

Miller at 50% for this season and next? I'd go as far as Niemela, Robertson, Holl and a 1st. But you're gutting your prospect pool.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Any Bennett type reclamation projects out there?

Answering my own question based on the "TSN trade bait board" I see Zacha/Debrusk/Roslovic/Tippett as general fits to that description

DeBrusk is the closest to Bennett I would say, but I would say we are out on that for numerous reasons.

The others don't really excite me all that much. Tippett is more like a reclamation project... And it is funny because a lot of their top end prospects (Denisenko, Tippett, Heponiemi, Noel, Sourdif, etc.) are not really doing that well right now but they are doing well with guys like Marchment and Verhaeghe. Other than Knight and Lundell, I am not really sure anyone is really living up to their standards right now (even Samoskevich is pretty much looking as good as Miettinen right now).

Roslovic and Zacha don't really have much there. Solid, but not really upgrades on what we are currently icing outside of our 4th line and we have no issues stocking those spots with cheaper talent (both asset and cap-wise).

 

[Fogelhund]

 

[showtime8]

I don’t think Dubas is going to mortgage the future on the off chance he is fired. He’ll continue to build as he has.

I guess my question would be, why wouldn't you mortgage the future?

This is essentially his last opportunity to win a round, or else he's not going to be here. He's made the statement with firing Babcock, brought in his own guy and hitched his wagon to young superstar players that have failed for 4 years in a row.

Will another team be ecstatic to hire him after they see that his vision didn't go anywhere?

 

[Morgs]

I think the most insane part of these Miller valuations is that there are SO many sellers this year and so few teams that I feel should be spending assets on top-6 F.

Like besides us and Colorado, who? Tampa, VGK, and Florida all are a pretty easy no. Carolina needs defense. Pittsburgh doesn't have the assets to go after a big fish. Calgary already went in on their top-6 F. Mayyyybe Boston, New York, Washington, St. Louis, Minny, LA? I just don't see it for most of those teams.

Just so much supply, so little demand this year. These teams gonna get a rude awakening come TDL if they're expecting what's rumored.

 

[dubplatepressure]

And yet, he's the only one that is available.

 

[Fogelhund]

And yet, he's the only one that is available.

So you'd prefer to go after someone who isn't available? I mean, we are looking for people who are available right?

 

[ULF_55]

Unless it's a home tun player, Sandin and Liljegren are off limits or should be.

Home run and under control for more than 2 years.

 

[ULF_55]

Too bad it doesn't work that way.

Let me think Hedman or JT Miller for the same cost ...

 

[Magic Man]

We have been thinking about upgrading the third wheel on the Tavares/Nylander combo to get more out of them. Wouldn't it be cool if they brought in a third wheel that was the best player on the line? They may become an unstoppable force like line #1.

 

[tony135420]

and how does this affect what Toronto is willing to part with or what he will actually go for.