GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 PART VIII

[HandshakeLineRespect]

Where you the guy who called into TSN that the guys were roasting on Overdrive?

 

[geo25]

I think you are both correct.

That approach may cripple us for years to come....this team has many holes. We should not mortgage our future with the excellent prospects we have. I do not believe we will go beyond the first round due to the overall butter soft (physical & mental) make up of this team. So much talent but such little heart & grit. I'm old enough to remember the last Stanley Cup winning team & while is was devoid of the talent we have today it was full of a collective determined bunch of players that gave it their all. I'd love to see this group advance & win it all but their regular collapses against weak teams indicates otherwise. I don't believe Dubas should be allowed to move our promising youngsters....move a Nylander/Marner or other players in a hockey trade. Am I way off base here?

 

[hotpaws]

sure it's a free dump but why would the Oilers want a goalie who has no idea where his net is ? lol

 

[Jozay]

sure it's a free dump but why would the Oilers want a goalie who has no idea where his net is ? lol

Because Holland is the GM

 

[hotpaws]

Because Holland is the GM

sure Holland sucks but he still wasn't stupid enough to give Mzarek 3.8m x 3yrs , lol

 

[Brad C]

Where you the guy who called into TSN that the guys were roasting on Overdrive?

I also thought it was some ass from here when I heard them bring it up

 

[Atomos2]

If Chicago can move Fleury I would love to see something like:

Debrincat
Delia

For:

Kerfoot
Mrazek
Hutch
+picks/prospects

Then go get Anton Forsberg from Ottawa as a backup.

Delia has horrible numbers on the surface but can play well as long as he has an average NHL defense in front of him (underlying numbers). He's better than Hutch in that regard.

You could then still replace Muzzin's cap hit on the roster with another forward or defensemen.

Unless those picks include a #1 overall pick along with another top 10 overall pick Chicago isn't going near that package.

 

[Dayjobdave]

The takes on this board drive me nuts. We want to win and improve but we don't want to give anything up to do that. News flash. Tampa and Florida arnt getting worse next year or soon after so we can keep debating keeping our prospects who won't help us for another 2-3 years and thats if they pan out the way we hope and by then we will be debating rebuilding if Mathews walks and marner., nylander and jt keeps declining. We Gotta do what we can while we have this team amd try and and let them figure out how to get over the hump or we wait a few Years and now we will also have Detroit and Ottawa rdy to compete. Friedman said it best and I can't belive I agree with him but this team is what it is, a high scoring team with this core built this way and they committed to that with the contracts and reluctantancy to move any of them so Add to that! And try to overwhelm teams with scoring. No point in trying to adjust the identity of the team with 20 games left when u don't have the personal to do that

I agree. I love watching the kids develop but this team is pretty good now and won’t be as good as Detroit or Ottawa or maybe even Buffalo when our big 4 are moving off, even if we keep this crop of prospects. At this point, roll the dice, and hopefully we have some glory to remember when we are getting our butts kicked three or four years from now while retooling.

It feels like we need a forward, a d man or two, toughness, and a goalie. That can’t cost much can it?

 

[LeafSteel]

I have no interest in trading prospects from our pipeline that we have nothing else like it.

That specifically is Knies, Liljegren and Topi Niemala, RHD that we are eternally looking for. To me, they are not involved in a package, period……. Especially for a JT Miller type trade. We also need their low ELC’s….

Knies isn’t RHD, but he is the only prospect we have that can be a prototypical power forward…… you know, as Mason Marchment could have been for us, but with Knies having a much higher upside.

Miller is a good, well rounded player, but he doesn’t solve anything on RHD for us.

 

[DraftSchmaft]

After catching up on these posts....yeah let's Phil Kessel it up if you want scoring. Our forward group needs some Goodrows it doesn't need us to sell the farm. Management needs to clinch GM of the year by correctly finding heart on your sleeve players ready to empty their tank over 20-25 games in the bottom 6. That's the beauty of the playoffs, you can go all out and not worry about sustaining it over a full season, if you suck by game 29 it doesn't matter, seasons over. It's also why guys like Mik/Engvall aren't my ideal choices for the playoffs. They can't win puck battles over the other warriors in the league. I don't think we need to replace Kase though. He's the type who will just go full reckless mode due to the above -- doesn't need to exist for a game 29, can go rehab.

Big package should be reserved for D, otherwise don't touch any young players or prospects.

* that / means "or", not "and/or". Redundant having both mik and engvall, but I like having at least one (Engvall is my choice to keep)

 

[Duffman955]

I think Goaltending is a legit concern now.

Fleury might be a target. I don't want us spending assets unless goaltending is addressed.

 

[Cor]

James Mirtle confirms in his new article that the Leafs have inquired about JT Miller.

 

[ULF_55]

I think Goaltending is a legit concern now.

Fleury might be a target. I don't want us spending assets unless goaltending is addressed.

I just don't see a solution for goaltending out there.

One of the Leafs goaltenders has to turn it around.

 

[ULF_55]

James Mirtle confirms in his new article that the Leafs have inquired about JT Miller.

I suggest the Leafs have inquired about many more players than JT Miller. And I'd bet probably another couple dozen teams have inquired.

So the youngest forward on the Leafs is in his 6th. NHL season?

Nothing in the system that can help the team?

 

[SprDaVE]

Mirtle did confirm interest in JT Miller. Also, while breaking down the Leafs cap situation going forward (something people here have already explained), he mentions it's a lot more possible now that Ho-Sang is a player they sign and use as NHL depth for the rest of the season.

That likely means someone like Liljegren stops being shuttled back and forth to the minors, losing NHL salary. It could also mean NHL auditions for Marlies like Nick Robertson, Alex Steeves and even Josh Ho-Sang, assuming he finally signs an NHL contract. (I believe the Ho-Sang option becomes far more plausible/likely in this scenario, for what it’s worth, as they’ll be able to carry a 13th and maybe even 14th forward.)

 

[Avilaj07]

I'm willing to move any prospect in the system minus Knies. Will it suck to lose a prospect like Niemela, absolutely but with Rielly, Sandin, and hopefully Liljegren in our defense for the foreseeable future, I'm not too concerned. If Knies turns out into the player we hope you can, he's someone you don't trade. Let's hope that Knies can turn into our own JT Miller.

 

[BertCorbeau]

sure Holland sucks but he still wasn't stupid enough to give Mzarek 3.8m x 3yrs , lol

But he did think he could rely on an aging Mike Smith and gave him a 2 year deal

 

[BertCorbeau]

Prospect pool already took a hit with the new on Amirov.. not that he’s done 100% but it’s hard to rely on him as a quality prospect right now.

Trading more from the pool would really sting.

 

[ULF_55]

Prospect pool already took a hit with the new on Amirov.. not that he’s done 100% but it’s hard to rely on him as a quality prospect right now.

Trading more from the pool would really sting.

Yep, unless it's for a move like Chychrun (equvivalent) solidifying defense for several years when you consider Sandin and Liljegren.

 

[SprDaVE]

Prospect pool already took a hit with the new on Amirov.. not that he’s done 100% but it’s hard to rely on him as a quality prospect right now.

Trading more from the pool would really sting.

It's the risk vs reward thing. Short term vs long term. We have a unique situation of trying to win the cup. It's time to take risks and go for the short-term if it makes sense.

We can rebuild the long-term cupboards when crap hits the fan. That's more or less the easy part.

But it's never fun to see good quality prospects traded for rentals or short-term fixes that lead nowhere. Last year with Foligno... that really stung hard. And with our luck, any prospect traded will turn into a Hall of Famer.

 

[hotpaws]

But he did think he could rely on an aging Mike Smith and gave him a 2 year deal

Smith played 32g last yr with .923 save % and a 2.31 gaa so he must be playing injured or suffering from the after affects of covid or maybe he's a new father .

 

[Burnie97]

I'd like them to bring up the young guys and give them a shot. I don't want to rush Robertson but with the situation it'd be nice to see him get a look on the second line LW before the deadline.

Engvall and Mik for me just aren't doing enough. One of them could be moved.

Kerfoot wing on 3rd or center 3rd line and Kampf to the 4th line.

Leafs could easily peddle a couple guys off who are similar players to mix up the bottom a bit more.

It's a tough situation. You don't want to totally revamp your team when they've mostly been very good all season but they're still missing that element I think they'll need come playoff time.

Hopefully if they give a lot to get a big name they could then turn around and get some picks back.

Ho sang I'd like to see given a shot too but pretty sure if he's signed they have to put him on waivers and we all know what will happen there but I think he would be a good add.

 

[SprDaVE]

I'd like them to bring up the young guys and give them a shot. I don't want to rush Robertson but with the situation it'd be nice to see him get a look on the second line LW before the deadline.

Engvall and Mik for me just aren't doing enough. One of them could be moved.

Kerfoot wing on 3rd or center 3rd line and Kampf to the 4th line.

Leafs could easily peddle a couple guys off who are similar players to mix up the bottom a bit more.

It's a tough situation. You don't want to totally revamp your team when they've mostly been very good all season but they're still missing that element I think they'll need come playoff time.

Hopefully if they give a lot to get a big name they could then turn around and get some picks back.

Ho sang I'd like to see given a shot too but pretty sure if he's signed they have to put him on waivers and we all know what will happen there but I think he would be a good add.

Ho-Sang doesn't have to go on waivers if the Leafs sign him and keep him with the Leafs. If they sign him and then want to send him back to the Marlies, then yes, it will require waivers.

 

[Burnie97]

Ho-Sang doesn't have to go on waivers if the Leafs sign him and keep him with the Leafs. If they sign him and then want to send him back to the Marlies, then yes, it will require waivers.

Okay fair enough but I thought I had seen that somewhere. Guess not.

If that's the case I would of signed him yesterday.

 

[SprDaVE]

Okay fair enough but I thought I had seen that somewhere. Guess not.

If that's the case I would of signed him yesterday.

They couldn't before because they were so tight up against the cap. They couldn't even keep Brooks up and he was a league min player.

They can now ice a 23 player lineup without any sort of worry with Muzzin out long-term.