GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 PART VIII

[Mickey Marner]

Forsberg would probably be Knies/Robertson+1st.

Chrychrun, Sandin/Liljegren+Knies/Robertson+1st

Miller, Knies/Robertson+Niemela+1st

With maybe a nondescript pick/prospect/player in there as well. But those are what I imagine the trades would roughly boil down to.

 

[BertCorbeau]

It's silly season.

If large question marks are in goal I would really be mad to see assets for a winger go out the door for a 1st round exit.

 

[Antropovsky]

It's silly season.

If large question marks are in goal I would really be mad to see assets for a winger go out the door for a 1st round exit.

Dubas job is on the line, so even if he doesn't think it's a good idea either... he may do it.

 

[kb]

That's what I meant

I was not following that conversation well. lol

 

[Clark4Ever]

It's silly season.

If large question marks are in goal I would really be mad to see assets for a winger go out the door for a 1st round exit.

Dubas job is on the line, so even if he doesn't think it's a good idea either... he may do it.

I think you are both correct.

 

[Maplebeasts]

Forsberg is purely a rental and his price (justifiably) would be massive. I'd rather go for JT Miller for that extra year of term, and for his diversity. Nevermind that unlike Forsberg, he's performed at his current level in the past and has more of a track record offensively. You could look at shifting Tavares to the wing if you got him, bump Kerfoot down to 3c with Kase and Engvall and use Kampf in a shutdown 4c role.

 

[Ziggdiezan]

I think we're in trouble if we need someone else to get Nylander and Tavares going again. I think they'll figure it out. Kerfoot's done well enough (though an upgrade could be had). I wouldn't make a move for the sake of it.

Ya 100% agreed. Seems strange to me to need another expensive player to get a 18 million dollar pair going

 

[Nylanderthal]

Yeah, I don’t think Fleury is going to stay in Chicago, so if Chicago likes Mrazek more than other anticipated available options, perhaps they’ll make the move.

I would assume we’d give up a prospect for retention in the deal though

MAF 50% for Mrazek + sda/duszak/hollowell etc…. Steeves if they want a guy who can fill a hole they might have post deadline.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Forsberg is purely a rental and his price (justifiably) would be massive. I'd rather go for JT Miller for that extra year of term, and for his diversity. Nevermind that unlike Forsberg, he's performed at his current level in the past and has more of a track record offensively. You could look at shifting Tavares to the wing if you got him, bump Kerfoot down to 3c with Kase and Engvall and use Kampf in a shutdown 4c role.

I'd probably lean Miller because of the extra year as well. Except I would look to move Kerfoot as I don't think he's that great of a centre, he's awful on the draw, and maintain the more defensive minded third line. Miller can take Kerfoot's spot on the PK.

It also opens up some salary cap as well which allows space to bolster the blue line or goaltending.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I am not really loving any of these high end rentals, especially for the price.

What if we didn't use any high end futures on a rental and instead use that cap space to get picks to offset the cost of a lesser rental?

 

[zeke]

Forsberg is much better than Miller imo.

Miller is a classic good player on bad team kind of guy.

 

[BertCorbeau]

FWIW Miller could also centre the third line if the Leafs needed to mix it up too.

Miller-Kase could do some damage together.

 

[zeke]

I am not really loving any of these high end rentals, especially for the price.

What if we didn't use any high end futures on a rental and instead use that cap space to get picks to offset the cost of a lesser rental?

Don't believe what you're hearing about prices imo. Look at the history of rentals, and then factor in that there sure seems to more of a buyers market than usual thus year.

 

[Maplebeasts]

I'd probably lean Miller because of the extra year as well. Except I would look to move Kerfoot as I don't think he's that great of a centre, he's awful on the draw, and maintain the more defensive minded third line. Miller can take Kerfoot's spot on the PK.

It also opens up some salary cap as well which allows space to bolster the blue line or goaltending.

While this is true I'm not sure if I want Kerfoot gone quite yet. A Kampf-Spezza 3/4 c tandem isn't something I'm excited about going into the playoffs with and you could always move Holl/Dermott and Mrazek to clear some salary. The Oilers especially might be a team interested in taking Mrazek on with how Smith and Koskinen have been playing. Mrazek also spent years in the Red Wings organization while Holland was there so there could be some interest.

 

[Ziggdiezan]

I am not really loving any of these high end rentals, especially for the price.

What if we didn't use any high end futures on a rental and instead use that cap space to get picks to offset the cost of a lesser rental?

Agreed, adding guys with term will be tough though as Muzzin won't be tradable next year and there are a decent amount of raises coming up. Personally I think if your spending huge you might as well add a top 4D compared to another forward. If the leafs top 6 can't produce as it is constructed now they are f***ed either way. 1 deadline rental won't change that

 

[cookie]

I honestly wouldn't mind parlaying some of the cap or future picks/prospects for a legitimately good goaltending talent as opposed to a journeyman. If we aren't in the Miller or Forsberg sweepstakes, I'd rather have a known commodity like Craig Anderson over Carter Hutton.

 

[Rude Dog]

Love the idea of adding a big name but not at the rumoured costs. If we were back in the Canadian division sure. No problem trading our first and any prospect not named Knies. End of the day it will be Campbell, Mathews and Marner that determine if they advance. Atlantic just so tough.

Having said that Forsberg or Miller would be great.

 

[trellaine201]

Lazy Miller. Terrible body language on many nights. I watch all the games. I take a pass. Someone else please!

 

[str8kila]

The takes on this board drive me nuts. We want to win and improve but we don't want to give anything up to do that. News flash. Tampa and Florida arnt getting worse next year or soon after so we can keep debating keeping our prospects who won't help us for another 2-3 years and thats if they pan out the way we hope and by then we will be debating rebuilding if Mathews walks and marner., nylander and jt keeps declining. We Gotta do what we can while we have this team amd try and and let them figure out how to get over the hump or we wait a few Years and now we will also have Detroit and Ottawa rdy to compete. Friedman said it best and I can't belive I agree with him but this team is what it is, a high scoring team with this core built this way and they committed to that with the contracts and reluctantancy to move any of them so Add to that! And try to overwhelm teams with scoring. No point in trying to adjust the identity of the team with 20 games left when u don't have the personal to do that

 

[Divine]

Hypothetical scenario obviously,

But we know Ken Holland desperately needs a goaltender. The Leafs have Mrazek signed for 2 more years at 3.8M, Koskinen is a UFA after this season, making 4.5M.

Let's assume Edmonton would be willing to take the chance on Mrazek, especially for an even trade - would you unload Mrazek right now for Koskinen?

Saves us 3.8M the next 2 years.

 

[ponder]

Extremely easily, yeah. Realistically we're likely gonna have to give up a 2nd or 3rd to dump Mrazek's contract in the offseason, while this is basically a free dump.

 

[SoftDumpNtheCorner88]

How does that help the leafs? Koskinen isn't that great either and he's a UFA do we lose Mrazek for nothing?

I was under the impression that he had value, teams are looking to take a chance on a starter and although hes been wonky so far he still had a good year with Carolina.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

If Chicago can move Fleury I would love to see something like:

Debrincat
Delia

For:

Kerfoot
Mrazek
Hutch
+picks/prospects

Then go get Anton Forsberg from Ottawa as a backup.

Delia has horrible numbers on the surface but can play well as long as he has an average NHL defense in front of him (underlying numbers). He's better than Hutch in that regard.

You could then still replace Muzzin's cap hit on the roster with another forward or defensemen.

 

[ITM]

Nope. Koskinen is not the difference. Any additional assets tacked on to Mrazek is throwing those useful pieces away.

It's fairly simple: Name the goalies in the league that could (and have) carried a team through the first round. Which of those goalies is a reasonable target given the assets we possess? Most importantly, who is available at prices we can afford (and should pay outside moving another 1st.)?

Isn't it MAF?

 

[Joseph Nathan]

If Chicago can move Fleury I would love to see something like:

Debrincat
Delia

For:

Kerfoot
Mrazek
Hutch
+picks/prospects

Then go get Anton Forsberg from Ottawa as a backup.

Delia has horrible numbers on the surface but can play well as long as he has an average NHL defense in front of him (underlying numbers). He's better than Hutch in that regard.

You could then still replace Muzzin's cap hit on the roster with another forward or defensemen.

So you think Chicago is going to move their superstar player in Debrincant for trash? Really?