GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 PART VIII

[Stigma]

Thanks Chuck.
I wondered if they would circle back to Georgiev at some point.

I've been thinking about Georgiev lately too. I know that he hasn't had a great year, but playing behind one of the best goalies in the league can't be that fun. Any thoughts from you or others about how Georgiev has been doing in the last year or two?

 

[Fogelhund]

Or MAF at 50% for Mrazek + ? Gives Chicago a signed goalie for next year...

 

[ChuckWoods]

Seems odd that the Leafs would target a guy like Georgiev. At his peak he was a solid 1B but that peak was like 4 years ago and has been only downhill since then. Seems like a downgrade on what we already have.

Connor Murphy doesn't really make sense either. A 2nd pairing RD making 4.4 mill when we have Liljegren coming up, Holl already signed for next year, and much larger holes (i.e. starting goalie) to fill with a decent, but not abundant, amount of cap space? Shouldn't we be going after a LD, if we are adding anyone on defense at all? Sandin and Dermott looked really good last night, but we already have one of Holl, Liljegren, or Lyubushkin sitting on any given night.

If you dont like it or find it odd, you don't have to believe it.

I see the method to the madness.

Georgiev brings likely a steadier game as a 1B type, albiet an RFA, still has less cap implications than Mrazeks current contract.

Murphy is a clear upgrade on Holl, and you likely dont see Holl around if such a deal is completed.

Dermott provides some flexibility with his willingness to run at both LD and RD without much adjustment, albiet an expensive 6/7.

Again these are just “options” for discussion, neither likely cross the finish line.

 

[Buds17]

Or MAF at 50% for Mrazek + ? Gives Chicago a signed goalie for next year...

My concern there is that such a move also gives us pending UFAs for a goalie tandem. I couldn't argue against Fleury being the go-to though if the intention is to upgrade in net.

 

[Fogelhund]

My concern there is that such a move also gives us pending UFAs for a goalie tandem. I couldn't argue against Fleury being the go-to though if the intention is to upgrade in net.

I can see that... Having said that, I don't see Mrazek as a number one going forward, and we couldn't afford to either resign Campbell, or obtain a number one if we keep Mrazek.

As far as Campbell... he's very good... at times... and then, not. I don't know. If he comes back solid for the rest of the year, and has a great playoffs, I think we extend him. If he proves to not be worth keeping, I'm not sure having two pending goalie UFA's is terrible.

 

[Avilaj07]

 

[Buds17]

I can see that... Having said that, I don't see Mrazek as a number one going forward, and we couldn't afford to either resign Campbell, or obtain a number one if we keep Mrazek.

As far as Campbell... he's very good... at times... and then, not. I don't know. If he comes back solid for the rest of the year, and has a great playoffs, I think we extend him. If he proves to not be worth keeping, I'm not sure having two pending goalie UFA's is terrible.

Good points. I'd just be apprehensive to do what Carolina did last offseason, for example. I'm trying to be hopeful that having Mrazek signed acts as some sort of leverage for the team. Unfortunately, that leverage does disappear if it looks like the team can't successfully move forward with him (which is where things are currently at IMO).

 

[SeaOfBlue]

If you dont like it or find it odd, you don't have to believe it.

I see the method to the madness.

Georgiev brings likely a steadier game as a 1B type, albiet an RFA, still has less cap implications than Mrazeks current contract.

Murphy is a clear upgrade on Holl, and you likely dont see Holl around if such a deal is completed.

Dermott provides some flexibility with his willingness to run at both LD and RD without much adjustment, albiet an expensive 6/7.

Again these are just “options” for discussion, neither likely cross the finish line.

It is not that I don't believe it. I am trying to figure out the logic behind it.

Murphy I can understand from a talent standpoint, but we are also talking about a guy who is over double what Holl makes too. Is the 2.4 mill cap difference starting next year + the assets we have to give up worth the upgrade? The other part of the equation too is whether we are keeping Liljegren as a bottom pairing guy for the next 2.5 years until Brodie expires vs. perhaps splitting top 4 RD duties between him and Holl next year (similar to Sandin/Muzzin)? Or are we maybe moving Brodie before he expires?

Georgiev is stuck behind one of the best goalies in the world and one of the worst defenses in the NHL (from a defensive stand point), but he is just as enigmatic as Mrazek with a worse track record of success. I know the Leafs had interest in him two years ago before they got Campbell, but he has had like a .900 save percentage in 40 games since then. If the Leafs are playing some musical chairs in net, can move Mrazek for a good price, and are just trying to find someone with a bit of upside who could maybe do better here than in his old team for a relatively cheap price, then perhaps? However, there are not too many guarantees we are in a better spot than we are in right now, and we are arguably more likely to end up in a worse spot.

 

[zeke]

Murphy and Georgiev seem pretty underwhelming to me. Not sure either is an actual upgrade.

 

[TMLAM34]

Murphy would definitely be an upgrade, that’s not even debatable. Georgiev on the other hand, doesn’t really interest me. No real upgrade there.

 

[TheShape]

I was on the fence about trading Robertson as is, now with the Amirov news I'm not sure that should be an option. Going to be interesting to see.

 

[Judas Tavares]

Wishing Amriov the best and a speedy recovery.

Let's hope all goes well first for his health, then his hockey career.

In terms of a prospect/trade asset, Amriov cannot be considered at the moment. Maybe for the future as well, that is to be determined, hopefully all will be ok.

But with that, it for the time being eliminates a top prospect from our pool. Giving added risk to any deals with futures. I'd now be extra cautious on any rental deals involving Knies, Niemela, Robertson, 2022 & 2023 1st. These players should only be dealt for players with term. Really don't want to eliminate our futures pool for one run. Focus on the next 3 runs.

 

[Stigma]

 

[dubplatepressure]

I mean Giordano would make an excellent 2LD replacement for Muzzin, and would probably not break the bank in terms of cost ie no 1sts, Robertson, Knies, or Neimela.

 

[ACC1224]

I mean Giordano would make an excellent 2LD replacement for Muzzin, and would probably not break the bank in terms of cost ie no 1sts, Robertson, Knies, or Neimela.

100% on board with that.

 

[ChazzMichaelMichaels]

I mean Giordano would make an excellent 2LD replacement for Muzzin, and would probably not break the bank in terms of cost ie no 1sts, Robertson, Knies, or Neimela.

I can't help but feel like there's going to be a fairly decent bidding war for him coming up.

 

[Jmo89]

I would really like this to come to fruition. Unfortunately I don't think Dubas will correct the Mrazek mistake, which is unfortunate cause it's like going to waste another year of the core's prime.

Trading for Miller and Schenn, and then maybe grabbing Giordano as @dubplatepressure said seems like two moves that could go a long way.

 

[McSnypsky]

It is not that I don't believe it. I am trying to figure out the logic behind it.

Murphy I can understand from a talent standpoint, but we are also talking about a guy who is over double what Holl makes too. Is the 2.4 mill cap difference starting next year + the assets we have to give up worth the upgrade? The other part of the equation too is whether we are keeping Liljegren as a bottom pairing guy for the next 2.5 years until Brodie expires vs. perhaps splitting top 4 RD duties between him and Holl next year (similar to Sandin/Muzzin)? Or are we maybe moving Brodie before he expires?

Georgiev is stuck behind one of the best goalies in the world and one of the worst defenses in the NHL (from a defensive stand point), but he is just as enigmatic as Mrazek with a worse track record of success. I know the Leafs had interest in him two years ago before they got Campbell, but he has had like a .900 save percentage in 40 games since then. If the Leafs are playing some musical chairs in net, can move Mrazek for a good price, and are just trying to find someone with a bit of upside who could maybe do better here than in his old team for a relatively cheap price, then perhaps? However, there are not too many guarantees we are in a better spot than we are in right now, and we are arguably more likely to end up in a worse spot.

All this Goalie talk still brings me back to the goalie coach and how that's the one constant among all the goaltending suckage in recent years!! they need change, a new voice!

 

[SHANNYPLAN]

Leafs - Canucks
JT Miller & Tyler Myers
for
John Tavares

Leafs - Kraken
Jamie Oleksiak (1 M Ret)
for
Justin Holl, Prospect & 1st

Leafs - Coyotes
Lawson Crouse
for
Ilya Mikheyev & 2nd/3rd 2023 (Flip Mik for picks)

BUNTING - MATTHEWS - MARNER
KERFOOT - MILLER - NYLANDER
CROUSE - - - - - KAMPF - - - - KASE
ENGVALL - SPEZZA - SIMMONDS
CLIFFORD

RIELLY - - BRODIE
OLEKSIAK - MYERS
SANDIN - LYBUSHKIN
MUZZIN - SANDIN When Healthy
LILJIGREN

 

[jiggy35]

I mean Giordano would make an excellent 2LD replacement for Muzzin, and would probably not break the bank in terms of cost ie no 1sts, Robertson, Knies, or Neimela.

would also prefer to give Seattle assets than to mtl for chiarot (not to mention giordano so much better)

 

[Magic Man]

Muzzin LTIR'd until the start of the playoffs.

Timothy Liljegren + Nicholas Abruzzese + 2022 1st rd. pick (top-10 protected) for JT Miller (at 2.625M) + Luke Schenn (at 425K)

Justin Holl + 2023 2nd rd. pick for Josh Manson (at 2.05M)

Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Miller - Tavares - Nylander
Kerfoot - Kampf - Kase
Mikheyev - Spezza - Simmonds
ex. Engvall

Rielly - Brodie
Muzzin - Manson
Sandin - Lyubushkin
ex. Dermott - Schenn

 

[MarMarSab3]

Trading away Liljegren is going to be a huge mistake

 

[VanW27]

You do have to wonder about Oleksiak, would they move him after just signing him?

He would be a good fit and they do make good trade partners. Seattle lacks heavily in prospects and depth, could be an opportunity for us to move a handful of secondary prospects to get back a good player without giving up picks and top prospects.

 

[zeke]

Trading away Liljegren is going to be a huge mistake

"Liljegren is a player they would be interested in" would be a statement true of every team in the league.

 

[MarMarSab3]

"Liljegren is a player they would be interested in" would be a statement true of every team in the league.

I just hope patience prevails and they don't move him. I get a very Anton Stralman vibe possibly even better