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GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 PART VIII

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Would you trade Mrazek for Koskinen (pending UFA, retained to equal salary) 1 for 1?

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Gary Nylund said:
Why isolate high danger SV%? To me that seems like just looking at 5on5 stats or picking some other cherry. Doesn't looking at overall SV% make more sense?

Out team SV% is middle of the pack. Trending downward to be sure but 11th overall isn't the worst among playoff teams.
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High Danger is where most of the goals are scored. So, our goalies have been terrible, where the most goals are scored. Low Danger, they are probably saving more than average... leading to an overall average score. Your results will be dictated far more, by high danger %.
 
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Fogelhund said:
High Danger is where most of the goals are scored. So, our goalies have been terrible, where the most goals are scored. Low Danger, they are probably saving more than average... leading to an overall average score. Your results will be dictated far more, by high danger %.
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That doesn't mean we just just ignore everything else though. What would you rather have, the guy with the better high danger SV%, or the guy with the better overall SV%? Unless I'm missing something, the obvious answer is the guy with the better overall SV%.
 
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Gary Nylund said:
Why isolate high danger SV%? To me that seems like just looking at 5on5 stats or picking some other cherry. Doesn't looking at overall SV% make more sense?

Out team SV% is middle of the pack. Trending downward to be sure but 11th overall isn't the worst among playoff teams.
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It has actually been 24th since December 1st. 11th is only because we were #1 for the first few months.

Usually you look at both, because you don't want a goalie who can't make basic saves (which we aren't getting enough right now either), but high-danger saves are what ultimately separates you.

Since December 1st, or especially since 2022 (December was okay and is actually bringing up those numbers), we have been one of the worst in the league, and by far the worst out of playoff teams... And that is inspite of having one of the best defenses over that time.
 
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Gary Nylund said:
That doesn't mean we just just ignore everything else though. What would you rather have, the guy with the better high danger SV%, or the guy with the better overall SV%? Unless I'm missing something, the obvious answer is the guy with the better overall SV%.
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Well if you have a rare goalie who can make a ton of high danger saves but lets in beach balls consistently, then that is far from ideal.

However most goalies who can save high-danger shots can also make the basic, low-danger saves too.

And ultimately, you can't have a goalie who is only saving easy stuff. Every defense gives up high danger chances. The best ones still give up 9 or 10 a game (at all strengths), and that is actually where our defense is at right now.

If your goalie is consistently giving up 2 or 3 goals on those alone, nevermind the other chances, you are not winning much. Right now, that is what happens with our goalies. We are just fortunate to have a top end PP/PK and an offense which can score goals better than most to make up for it.

Ultimately, I don't think the Leafs do anything in net. Campbell and Mrazek just have to play much better, and they are capable of much better than this.
 
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SeaOfBlue said:
nd that is inspite of having one of the best defenses over that time.
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Or perhaps, although our goaltending has been sub-par lately, the defense hasn't really been all that great. Campbell was just playing lights out. And perhaps forwards committed to defensive play
 
SeaOfBlue said:
It has actually been 24th since December 1st. 11th is only because we were #1 for the first few months.

Usually you look at both, because you don't want a goalie who can't make basic saves (which we aren't getting enough right now either), but high-danger saves are what ultimately separates you.

Since December 1st, or especially since 2022 (December was okay and is actually bringing up those numbers), we have been one of the worst in the league, and by far the worst out of playoff teams... And that is inspite of having one of the best defenses over that time.
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We are trending down for sure.
 
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Punch Drunk Loov said:
Much of our D-corp is dependent on the 1st pairing, and Jake Muzzin continuing to be stable and borderline elite. I'm feeling a sense of dread with his latest injury.
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Muzzin has been our worst defenseman. He plays the toughest minutes and while he was not atrocious in those minutes despite a lot of boneheaded plays, we were never getting that high end Muzzin this year.

Whether the Leafs need to get someone to replace him is TBD. I think we will see how bad the injury is and how well our existing guys do... Then go from there in terms of moves.

I think he is done for the rest of the regular season. If he is back for the playoffs, we may use his cap space for a forward. If he is not, or we think he will be broken, we may get a defenseman.

I am not sure we are getting a LD if we expect Muzzin to have any kind of role with us in the playoffs. It likely just takes Dermott off of the table.
 
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Mrazek and Campbell have matching .894 save percentages since Jan 1. Tied with each other for 57th among all nhl goalies in that timeframe. It’s a miracle we win at all. That’s not even average backup quality play
 
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A bit of fun...

:hawks
D Connor Murphy

:leafs
D Justin Holl
D Mikko Kokkonen
2022 2nd rounder
_________________
:coyotes
LW Lawson Crouse
2022 4th (ARI)

:leafs
LW Alex Kerfoot
LW Roni Hirvonen
2023 1st/2nd (TOR) (conditional on playoff success)
_________________

:kings 2022 2nd (LA)

:leafsLW Ilya Mikheyev
_________________

:ducks2C Sam Carrick

:leafs2023 5th rounder

Playoff roster:

Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Crouse - Tavares - Nylander
Engvall - Kampf - Kase
Robertson - Carrick - Simmonds/Spezza
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Abruzzese - Holmberg - J. Anderson

Rielly - Brodie
Muzzin - Murphy
Sandin - Lyubushkin
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Dermott - Liljegren​
 
Leafed said:
A bit of fun...

:hawks
D Connor Murphy

:leafs
D Justin Holl
D Mikko Kokkonen
2022 2nd rounder
_________________
:coyotes
LW Lawson Crouse
2022 4th (ARI)

:leafs
LW Alex Kerfoot
LW Roni Hirvonen
2023 1st/2nd (TOR) (conditional on playoff success)
_________________

:kings 2022 2nd (LA)

:leafsLW Ilya Mikheyev
_________________

:ducks2C Sam Carrick

:leafs2023 5th rounder

Playoff roster:

Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Crouse - Tavares - Nylander
Engvall - Kampf - Kase
Robertson - Carrick - Simmonds/Spezza
-
Abruzzese - Holmberg - J. Anderson

Rielly - Brodie
Muzzin - Murphy
Sandin - Lyubushkin
-
Dermott - Liljegren​
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Murphy one seems a little too good to be true. But that's the kind of move I can see Dubas gunning for. The Crouse one is a big no for me.

I also always liked Sam Carrick so I'd love to see him back with the Leafs org at some point.
 
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Elliotte saying if Muzzin is put on LTR, Leafs will get really agressive. I know he's not really the player we need, but I would go after Chichruin(spellling).
 
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stickty111 said:
Elliotte saying if Muzzin is put on LTR, Leafs will get really agressive. I know he's not really the player we need, but I would go after Chichruin(spellling).
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Hypothetically speaking if the Leafs were to go after him they would have Rielly and himself on the left side for the next 3 years. Would you be willing to put Sandin in a deal for him?
 
With the loss to the habs the obvious is pointed out. Our top 2 lines cant penetrate a big defense that plays tough. Time and time again we get boxed out and neither matthews marner tavares or nylander kerfoot can get close to the net to be effective

we need two top six wingers capable of getting physically involved with the other teams defense to enable our skilled players to play their game

we need two rugged dmen to make it harder for the other team to enter our zone snd set up shop in front of our net

until we adressed these items we will rinse snd repeat with a first round exit
 
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Apex Predator said:
cost controlled young Dman. 23 years old on a favorable cap hit.
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A cap hit we can't afford next year unless Muzzin is on LTIR forever. Chychrun is also more of a Rielly-lite, and the price for him is far beyond what he actually brings to the table.
 
Fogelhund said:
High Danger is where most of the goals are scored. So, our goalies have been terrible, where the most goals are scored. Low Danger, they are probably saving more than average... leading to an overall average score. Your results will be dictated far more, by high danger %.
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My question is how are they getting into the high danger areas to get these scoring chances?
 
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Griffin76 said:
My question is how are they getting into the high danger areas to get these scoring chances?
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Sometimes throwing the puck and getting rebounds. Sometimes they just find a hole in the coverage. Sometimes it is tips.
 
SeaOfBlue said:
A cap hit we can't afford next year unless Muzzin is on LTIR forever. Chychrun is also more of a Rielly-lite, and the price for him is far beyond what he actually brings to the table.
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We can’t afford much to be fair whether it’s him or someone else capable of stepping up in the top 4. I think the price will be too high and the Leafs won’t bite.
 
I honestly don't see any names out there that make sense for the price point and fit for the blue line. They shouldn't be blowing assets on rentals and most of the long term guys just don't seem like good fits.
 
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