GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 PART VII

[Ashdown2]

I wouldn't complain if Philly sent Brassard our way as well.

but why ? hes garbage

 

[Nylander88]

Laughton & Braun out of Philly would be a nice haul

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Laughton & Braun out of Philly would be a nice haul

These would be solid additions at a reasonable cost.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Laughton would be nice.

 

[Avilaj07]

To Toronto-
Laughton
Braun

To Philadelphia-
Ritchie
Kerfoot
2nd Round Pick

 

[kb]

To Toronto-
Laughton
Braun

To Philadelphia-
Ritchie
Kerfoot
2nd Round Pick

Haven't looked deep, but superficially this one I could get behind - if a suitable LW can be found for the Tavares line.

 

[Ashdown2]

Haven't looked deep, but superficially this one I could get behind - if a suitable LW can be found for the Tavares line.

why are we making trade ideas to players that are 100% not being traded ?

 

[kb]

why are we making trade ideas to players that are 100% not being traded ?

I didn't say it was feasible or probable, just that this might have been the first proposed trade in awhile that would make me think long and hard.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

why are we making trade ideas to players that are 100% not being traded ?

Exactly. Just drop Laughton and Kerfoot and that is a reasonable deal. Throw in Rubtsov so they can dump a contract maybe.

A 2nd is a bit pricey for Braun, but it is not ridiculous if the Leafs can't find anything better for Ritchie.

Move Dermott and Malgin to Detroit/Montreal to replace the pick.

 

[Stephen]

Yup exactly, don't buy high on guys who may have already broken out. Rather try to find another UFA like Bunting next year than spend a 1st+top prospect+another asset for a guy who may end up as a 35-40 point winger.

We can definitely get Brandon Hagel if people think there's value, what makes me wonder about the whole situation is why is a 23 year old on a bad team and a multi year deal supposedly available? If our pro scouting is doing that Moneyball thing, the idea would be to get the next Brandon Hagel. He might be a guy like Josh Ho-Sang whom the Leafs have been building back up again.

 

[zeke]

Braun is a downgrade.

 

[Ashdown2]

Exactly. Just drop Laughton and Kerfoot and that is a reasonable deal. Throw in Rubtsov so they can dump a contract maybe.

A 2nd is a bit pricey for Braun, but it is not ridiculous if the Leafs can't find anything better for Ritchie.

Move Dermott and Malgin to Detroit/Montreal to replace the pick.

lol thats alot of gymnastics for nothing ....... the flyers would probably accept a braun for dermott and mid level prospect swap.

 

[Stephen]

As opposed to most other guys who have been suggested? Any rental we could get right now is playing on a tire fire.

He is not playing in any kind of important role. We don't need him to be a leader. All he needs to do is what he is currently doing on a tire fire team: Win draws, be responsible defensively, and chip in some offense on occasion. And of course, continue to play hard and be a good teammate. Those are championship habits, and those are the kinds of guys who end up having a major impact on winning rosters. Better than having guys who have those habits but are liabilities in the lineup.

If I had to pick between getting him for a 2nd or getting any kind of rental we apparently can get with a 2nd right now, I am easily taking McLeod.

If you think McLeod has solid long term potential, I can understand the rationale in making an investment. But if you're expending the pick for a significant boost this year in the playoffs, I don't think McLeod is really going to do that. He's never been in a playoff situation. He's young. He's not even really established as a quality player in the regular season and the job profile you're describing sounds like Brian Boyle.

 

[Ziggdiezan]

Can you show me a clip of a single big hit from Brown? He was physically invisible in the playoffs. He works hard, sure, but nobody is looking over their shoulder to see if he's coming. Problem is that everyone else in the playoffs steps up the effort level and Brown's main asset gets washed out.

It was game 1 or 2 against Boston the 2nd time. I was surprised too as he definitely isn't a physical player. Having high motor guys like Brown who never give up/are fearless is never a bad thing.

 

[Ziggdiezan]

We can definitely get Brandon Hagel if people think there's value, what makes me wonder about the whole situation is why is a 23 year old on a bad team and a multi year deal supposedly available? If our pro scouting is doing that Moneyball thing, the idea would be to get the next Brandon Hagel. He might be a guy like Josh Ho-Sang whom the Leafs have been building back up again.

Ya it does seem weird on Chicago's part especially as they kind of stopped the rebuild with the adds they made this summer. However it could also be them just asking for an insane ask because people have been phoning them. Not necessarily that they are looking to move him

 

[4thline]

If you're perplexed at the Hagel ask, think about what we got for Kapanen, but with a cheaper contract and a deadline premium. You've got him for 1 run, two more seasons, and then his rights. We got a 2nd for freakin Dan Winnik at the deadline (twice). A Hagel level rental is easily in the 2nd, 2nd+ range. This isn't a rental.

 

[McSnypsky]

Braun is a downgrade.

With Sandin he'd probably be pretty good. Plus Holl has played 12 playoff games, Braun 100! The experience will be helpful.

 

[Nylander88]

We can definitely get Brandon Hagel if people think there's value, what makes me wonder about the whole situation is why is a 23 year old on a bad team and a multi year deal supposedly available? If our pro scouting is doing that Moneyball thing, the idea would be to get the next Brandon Hagel. He might be a guy like Josh Ho-Sang whom the Leafs have been building back up again.

Ho-Sang doesn't play with anywhere near the tenacity and drive that Hagel does. Ho-Sang tries to skill his way around the ice...which we have enough guys that currently do that. Complimentary players with high motors and some sandpaper is the aim

 

[Nylander88]

To Toronto-
Laughton
Braun

To Philadelphia-
Ritchie
Kerfoot
2nd Round Pick

Laughton is more valuable than Kerfoot. Both have C/LW versatility, only Laughton makes 500k less and is meaner.
A 2nd and Ritchie for Braun is a terrible deal for Philly. Braun will fetch a second as is. RHD rental with size and snarl. A 2nd is the going ask. Not sure why they'd sell off his 1.8mil expiring contract, to additionally take on Ritchie and his 2.5mil contract for another year. In all likelihood, it costs us an additional asset to unload Ritchie.

 

[McSnypsky]

Ho-Sang doesn't play with anywhere near the tenacity and drive that Hagel does. Ho-Sang tries to skill his way around the ice...which we have enough guys that currently do that. Complimentary players with high motors and some sandpaper is the aim

I think that's why it's curious, every team wants a potential Gary Roberts, we definitely should, but why would he be available at all? unless he wants out and it hasn't been made public? Chicago doesn't even have a GM!

 

[SeaOfBlue]

lol thats alot of gymnastics for nothing ....... the flyers would probably accept a braun for dermott and mid level prospect swap.

I would say moving Ritchie is not nothing, and arguably as important as getting Braun.

Having Braun over Dermott as a #6/7 is not really going to move the needle all that much for the Leafs in the playoffs. Moving Ritchie is probably not a huge deal for the Leafs either. However if you can do a deal where both happen at the same time, then you might have something worth doing.

Philly also probably does not want Dermott. Detroit is a team that could use a guy like him.

 

[Nylander88]

I think that's why it's curious, every team wants a potential Gary Roberts, we definitely should, but why would he be available at all? unless he wants out and it hasn't been made public? Chicago doesn't even have a GM!

Think it's just becoming a sell off scenario. Figure they can "sell high" on a guy like Hagel. Every little bit helps towards a rebuild. Sell off guys with value and bring in a wave of good young talent in the next couple of years. We brought in Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Hyman, Brown pretty well all at the same time when we kicked off our turn around. Maybe they figure the more good young guys at the same time the better? I'm not sure.
Front their standpoint, it makes a lot of sense to have possibly a guy like Amirov and another first round pick/caliber of player, over a former 6th round pick that may be having a one off year. For us? It's the cost controlled asset that adds elements we lack, and could still be effective for years to come while we're competitive. I see both sides of the coin

 

[Buds17]

If you're perplexed at the Hagel ask, think about what we got for Kapanen, but with a cheaper contract and a deadline premium. You've got him for 1 run, two more seasons, and then his rights. We got a 2nd for freakin Dan Winnik at the deadline (twice). A Hagel level rental is easily in the 2nd, 2nd+ range. This isn't a rental.

That's an interesting comparable. Hagel's production tracks better than Kapanen's did at the time of his trade back to Pittsburgh (albeit in a smaller number of GP, for whatever that may be worth). If traded, I'd expect the 1st rounder to fall further (somewhere within the range of a playoff team) in the draft than where Toronto selected Amirov. The counter to that would likely be that the "top prospect" comes more highly touted than Hallander was. Although I do like the player, I don't know that the winger need is great enough nor the rest of the roster (ex. the blueline) set enough to make Hagel our big splash acquisition heading into the playoffs.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Just putting it out there that Nick Cousins is out week-to-week with a LBI and Myers has been healthy scratched by NSH again today.

Still pulling for that more than anything, especially now that we could afford Cousins without having him get retained.

 

[McSnypsky]

Think it's just becoming a sell off scenario. Figure they can "sell high" on a guy like Hagel. Every little bit helps towards a rebuild. Sell off guys with value and bring in a wave of good young talent in the next couple of years. We brought in Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Hyman, Brown pretty well all at the same time when we kicked off our turn around. Maybe they figure the more good young guys at the same time the better? I'm not sure.
Front their standpoint, it makes a lot of sense to have possibly a guy like Amirov and another first round pick/caliber of player, over a former 6th round pick that may be having a one off year. For us? It's the cost controlled asset that adds elements we lack, and could still be effective for years to come while we're competitive. I see both sides of the coin

Well I guess that makes sense if they think they can retool and somehow keep Toews, Kane, Jones around for another shot.