GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 PART VII

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He's a really good 3rd pairing defenseman. Leaves a little to be desired offensively, but ridiculously strong defensive and transition results and has the ability to carry bad partners. A couple brutal mistakes really has hurt his standing in this org.

Just because we have 5 (maybe 6) better defenseman than him doesn't mean he shouldn't have value. I really hope we get something good for him, he succeeds (not against us) and finally establishes himself as a top-4 guy.

I mean I just can't see him in a top-4 role; I see his ceiling as a Ben Hutton type - decent / serviceable bottom pairing, maybe even better than average bottom pairing. I don't know that I'd say he's a "really good" or among the top quarter of the league in bottom pairing D. We don't need to move him, he's just stuck behind Rielly, Muzzin, and Sandin if Sandin stays on the left side. If Dermott takes a nice 3 or 4 year deal at around a $1.5MM/yr hit I say we keep him, but that means Sandin must move to the right. IMO that's still fine - he looks great there beside Muzzin. The final 3RD spot is a battle between Holl and Lilly at that point, and we worry about that 2LD spot in the summer (assuming Muzzy's declining).
 
He's a really good 3rd pairing defenseman. Leaves a little to be desired offensively, but ridiculously strong defensive and transition results and has the ability to carry bad partners. A couple brutal mistakes really has hurt his standing in this org.

Just because we have 5 (maybe 6) better defenseman than him doesn't mean he shouldn't have value. I really hope we get something good for him, he succeeds (not against us) and finally establishes himself as a top-4 guy.

If I was a rebuilding/retooling team, I would have Dermott near the top of my list to acquire in some way, especially if the Leafs are being reasonable with what they'd ask for. He's youngish, shown flashes of upside. He can skate and puck rush, he plays with intensity. He's not big or strong and his offence is not overly great but he can make the odd good play.
 
Thinking more on the Clutterbuck idea. I had identified him before on the list as a potential depth add for the post-season. If the Leafs could construct a line with both Simmonds and Clutterbuck on it, like before with Ritchie and Simmonds, but more defensive oriented, than offensive. The same idea they have had with Engvall. It should make for a good line. He might be the 13th forward at full health though.
 
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Thinking more on the Clutterbuck idea. I had identified him before on the list as a potential depth add for the post-season. If the Leafs could construct a line with both Simmonds and Clutterbuck on it, like before with Ritchie and Simmonds, but more defensive oriented, than offensive. The same idea they have had with Engvall. It should make for a good line. He might be the 13th forward at full health though.
100% we need a forward who throws hits on the forecheck. Stick checks alone won't cut it in the playoffs you need to wear your opponent down. Bruises pile up. Even if the hit has no effect that exact game, it might affect them next game and so on.

Not sure if anyone caught it, but Rielly used to cross check the hell out of Marchands lower back in the playoffs. We need to bring stuff like that back.
 
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100% we need a forward who throws hits on the forecheck. Stick checks alone won't cut it in the playoffs you need to wear your opponent down. Bruises pile up. Even if the hit has no effect that exact game, it might affect them next game and so on.

Not sure if anyone caught it, but Rielly used to cross check the hell out of Marchands lower back in the playoffs. We need to bring stuff like that back.
Clutterbuck and Schenn as depth adds would bring a completely different element to the team. High volume hitters.

When they said they were cracking down on cross-checking my first thought was Rielly. He doesn't hit at a high volume, but he has always lead with that cross-check.

I just looked at the Leafs hit tracker. The only forwards to hit at more than a hit per game have been Ritchie, Simmonds and Clifford.

The defense is more or less there. With only Brodie as an outlier.

I would think with Ritchie going out, that the forward group should really grab someone with some pep. So, Clutterbuck would be one idea.
 
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Clutterbuck and Schenn as depth adds would bring a completely different element to the team. High volume hitters.

When they said they were cracking down on cross-checking my first thought was Rielly. He doesn't hit at a high volume, but he has always lead with that cross-check.

I just looked at the Leafs hit tracker. The only forwards to hit at more than a hit per game have been Ritchie, Simmonds and Clifford.

The defense is more or less there. With only Brodie as an outlier.

I would think with Ritchie going out, that the forward group should really grab someone with some pep. So, Clutterbuck would be one idea.

Only issue for me is how does Spezza fit in?
Spezza between Simmonds and Cluterbuck seems like a weird 4th line.
If its Engval with Cal and Wayne it would be much more effective because of his speed. Do they want Spezza as the 13th F?
 
Only issue for me is how does Spezza fit in?
Spezza between Simmonds and Cluterbuck seems like a weird 4th line.
If its Engval with Cal and Wayne it would be much more effective because of his speed. Do they want Spezza as the 13th F?
My intial thought was to move Engvall to center between them and scratch Spezza. But, I wonder if they would value Spezza's faceoff ability more than the traits Engvall brings.
 
I'm not sure either of these guys would be available, but I would be very interested in either of Zub or DeMelo if they are options.
 
What would Mikheyev and Holl get separately at the deadline if the Leafs were to sell them? A 2nd and a 3rd? More? Less. Trying to work something out on Cap Friendly.
 
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What would Mikheyev and Holl get separately at the deadline if the Leafs were to sell them? A 2nd and a 3rd? More? Less. Trying to work something out on Cap Friendly.
Why are we getting rid of Mikheyev?

And the market on Holl would be weird. He's better than Chiarot, but people are talking about a 1st+ for him despite his terrible season. Holl has also had a terrible year but the constant buzz about us needing to upgrade on him may drive that price down.
 
Why are we getting rid of Mikheyev?

And the market on Holl would be weird. He's better than Chiarot, but people are talking about a 1st+ for him despite his terrible season. Holl has also had a terrible year but the constant buzz about us needing to upgrade on him may drive that price down.
If Mikheyev were to be moved there would obviously be another move made to bring in a top 9 winger. Maybe someone that could be more effective in the playoffs.
 
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If it’s me…

I am moving Mik. Trade him to WC playoff team and hope for a 2nd.

I’m using the pick and whatever it takes to land one of Miller (my preference) or Giroux.

That’s it. I’m fine with our Defense.
 
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What would Mikheyev and Holl get separately at the deadline if the Leafs were to sell them? A 2nd and a 3rd? More? Less. Trying to work something out on Cap Friendly.
More for Holl as he isn't a rental. But I wouldn't trade him ahead of Dermott, for my unwanted input. LOL
 
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If Mikheyev were to be moved there would obviously be another move made to bring in a top 9 winger. Maybe someone that could be more effective in the playoffs.
The $1M over league min if you replace the roster spot wouldn't really help you get somebody better than Mikheyev at the deadline. You're better off keeping him.
 
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Yes
But our 1st will prob be so low it could be considered a 2nd
So I’m comfortable doing it
Maybe getting a 2nd back somewhere else in a deal?

another comment
Rumor Habs going for Washington Russian goalie, he was very highly rated in pre draft
Why isn’t it an option for us either? Young goalie that would be cheap for coming years

Campbell is getting a raise and still a question mark
If he plays like the start of the season we won’t be able to afford him anyways?
Might help long term and capwise
It absolutely should be, especially if theres another significant addition with term.
 
Alex Georgiev is the lone casualty in Igor Shesterkin’s Rangers ascent - New York Post

The breakdown over the last 19 games was Georgiev 10, Shesterkin eight and Lundqvist one. Georgiev played well, but he was bypassed in the qualifying round against the Hurricanes. Lundqvist started the first two games while Shesterkin, who’d suffered a groin injury in a pre-tournament exhibition, rehabbed before starting the third and final contest of the sweep.

That did not sit well with Georgiev, who had a 2020-21 season that was by far the worst of his career which began with a late season promotion in 2017-18. He got out of the gate poorly this season, but seemed to turn it around with a run of quality performances after Shesterkin went down with a groin injury in early December.

But has not been the case lately. The fact is, Georgiev is 1-4 in his last five starts with a .871 save percentage and 3.65 goals against average since Jan. 6. That includes his 41-second relief appearance, in which No. 40 did not touch the puck, while Shesterkin was in concussion protocol late in overtime Tuesday against the Bruins. Since winning his first three starts in the wake of Shesterkin’s injury, Georgiev has gone 2-6-1 with a .900 save percentage and 2.91 GAA. That’s not good enough.

The Rangers are in Ottawa on Sunday. They’re then off until a Garden confrontation Thursday against the Capitals. There will be a back-to-back next weekend, Saturday in Pittsburgh followed by the Feb. 27 Garden match against Vancouver and, oh, J.T. Miller.

Georgiev’s last start was on Jan. 27. I would expect him to play against the Senators this Sunday. It will be difficult enough for him after this type of layoff, but adding another week by waiting for the back-to-back seems like a bridge too far.

Any one of Georgiev’s upcoming starts might be his last as a Ranger. Given that the club will not be able to qualify him this summer when his contract expires, he will be on track to become a free agent. The upcoming March 21 trade deadline represents the Rangers’ last opportunity to get something in return for the NHL’s first Bulgarian-born player.

The Blueshirts would have to obtain a backup to replace Georgiev, with either Thomas Greiss — who played so well for the Red Wings in their 3-2 shootout victory at the Garden on Thursday — or Jaro Halak — currently on injured reserve for the Canucks — as potential targets.


But the Rangers’ relationship with Georgiev, who has felt suppressed in his role, is probably coming to an end as the lone casualty of the handoff from Lundqvist to Shesterkin.
 
I’m on the Adam Larsson train.

Larsson with $1 mill retained for Ritchie + Dermott + 2022 1st.

After that I think the Leafs have $2 mill at the deadline to add some forward help.

Rielly-Larsson
Muzzin-Brodie
Sandin-Holl/Liljegren
 
I’m on the Adam Larsson train.

Larsson with $1 mill retained for Ritchie + Dermott + 2022 1st.

After that I think the Leafs have $2 mill at the deadline to add some forward help.

Rielly-Larsson
Muzzin-Brodie
Sandin-Holl/Liljegren
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