GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 PART VI

[LeafChief]

Reading up on Luke Schenn, I didn't realize he was playing so steady in Vancouver. He's Hughes partner? What would the cost even be? A 4th and a middling prospect?

It's time to end the curse. Schenn and Kessel back to the Leafs. Old guard with the new guard!

 

[X66]

We are a very good team overall.

That said, we have the #4 GF/G in the league.

We have the #6 GA/G in the league.

We can always wish to improve everything in our game, especially with an unlimited cap, but it's GA that is the lower ranked metric. Moreso, we need some physicality.... just my opinion.

We've got plenty of time to re-evaluate, and discuss this to death... but keep in mind we get to see Ho-Sang in the Olympics at a higher level... and while he's been disappointing to me at the AHL level, let's see if he can step up, against bigger competition. Robertson is back, and will get some games, he can certainly bury the puck. Maybe even Amirov (health dependent) might come over after an early ending to the KHL season.

If you want to go off the boards, sign Artyom Nikolayev for the rest of the season to a league minimum. He played on a terrible team this year, his team is out of the playoffs, and he is a UFA. 6'0" 190 LB, leftwinger, who was second on his team in scoring at 22, with 23 points in 42 games.... Was second by one point.

None of these cost us anything to boot. My focus would be upgrading Holl, if possible.

We're always at the top for GF and our offence is still what holds us back in the last 3 series(Boston, Columbus, MTL) IMO.

Last two years now we've been under our real goal count when looking at our xGF.

That tells me a few things:

1)We are elite at generating chances(fact)
2)We should be scoring a lot of goals(fact)
3)No one outside of Matthews/Tavares/Nylander are threats to score from anywhere(IMO fact).

I would LOVE to add another game breaking forward in some way, it would tip the scale IMHO.

 

[DraftSchmaft]

Reading up on Luke Schenn, I didn't realize he was playing so steady in Vancouver. He's Hughes partner? What would the cost even be? A 4th and a middling prospect?

It's time to end the curse. Schenn and Kessel back to the Leafs. Old guard with the new guard!

Schenn had 1 goal and 12 hits the other day. That guys gonna cost the whole farm

 

[SoftDumpNtheCorner88]

Reading up on Luke Schenn, I didn't realize he was playing so steady in Vancouver. He's Hughes partner? What would the cost even be? A 4th and a middling prospect?

It's time to end the curse. Schenn and Kessel back to the Leafs. Old guard with the new guard!

I don't think Vancouver wants to deal Schenn for some reason, he is playing well with Hughes and I think they want him around for his development.. unless a team over pays maybe a 2nd for him... I wouldn't give more than a 3rd (he's signed cheap for next year aswell) if he's only worth a 4th I feel they'll hold on to him instead.

I LOVED Kessel! I would love to see Kessel on our team and score a patent bullet writer from the circle again, but unfortunately I don't think he fits our defensive minded Mold, he liked to Cheat a lot for rush plays. He isn't going to be playing in our Top 6, and although we would love his scoring on the third line, we need it to also be a shutdown line for matchups... Kessel is slower (which now probably makes him average speed) and his shot is still good but less lethal than it use to me... And he isn't going to be backchecking as hard as Micheyev... So there are better options out there. If we were looking for a cheap scoring threat in our top 6, he'd be a good target, but we have so much skill from our core guys that we're looking for a power forward with net presence and good defense to fit our mold.

 

[Fogelhund]

We're always at the top for GF and our offence is still what holds us back in the last 3 series(Boston, Columbus, MTL) IMO.

Last two years now we've been under our real goal count when looking at our xGF.

That tells me a few things:

1)We are elite at generating chances(fact)
2)We should be scoring a lot of goals(fact)
3)No one outside of Matthews/Tavares/Nylander are threats to score from anywhere(IMO fact).

I would LOVE to add another game breaking forward in some way, it would tip the scale IMHO.

Young kids take time to grow into their game...

Your point #3... Matthews was injured last year, and Tavares was out. So last years offensive lapse, where we essentially lost a third of the teams scoring, isn't as relevant with that context.

Marner is scoring now too... he seems to have it figure out. This offensive group is good enough to succeed, if they play hard in the playoffs, and we don't lose our two top scorers (or they are made ineffective).

What happened two and three years ago, aren't relevant... the kids have grown up...., we don't need to obsess over the past. Look at last night, they are starting to get the job done, in tough games. We have a bunch of games to further judge the group.

 

[Gabriel426]

Reading up on Luke Schenn, I didn't realize he was playing so steady in Vancouver. He's Hughes partner? What would the cost even be? A 4th and a middling prospect?

It's time to end the curse. Schenn and Kessel back to the Leafs. Old guard with the new guard!

He is the only logical RD to partner with Hughes. Since Poolman is really bad and Hamonvic is dealing with a lot of issues.

 

[X66]

Young kids take time to grow into their game...

Your point #3... Matthews was injured last year, and Tavares was out. So last years offensive lapse, where we essentially lost a third of the teams scoring, isn't as relevant with that context.

This is more proof(to me) that we need offensive depth. I have no doubt in my mind that if we traded for Hall instead of Foligno we'd handle the Tavares injury much better.

Young kids take time to grow into their game...

Marner is scoring now too... he seems to have it figure out. This offensive group is good enough to succeed, if they play hard in the playoffs, and we don't lose our two top scorers (or they are made ineffective).

Marner is a beast and I have always been a fan, but he's not a game breaking goal scorer. He's a game breaking offensive forward, which I'm happy to have, but I think we need to add to our goal scoring dept. Marner carrying this into the playoffs however would be huge.

Young kids take time to grow into their game...

What happened two and three years ago, aren't relevant... the kids have grown up...., we don't need to obsess over the past. Look at last night, they are starting to get the job done, in tough games. We have a bunch of games to further judge the group.

My point really wasn't that the young kids couldn't carry the load etc, it's just that have more offensive punch would have definitely helped, especially if they don't have that punch again. The chances of all 4 of Matthews/Tavares/Nylander/Marner going off in the same series isn't the highest, having another forward to give you that extra insurance would go a long way.

Again, just my two cents.

 

[Fogelhund]

This is more proof(to me) that we need offensive depth. I have no doubt in my mind that if we traded for Hall instead of Foligno we'd handle the Tavares injury much better.



Marner is a beast and I have always been a fan, but he's not a game breaking goal scorer. He's a game breaking offensive forward, which I'm happy to have, but I think we need to add to our goal scoring dept. Marner carrying this into the playoffs however would be huge.



My point really wasn't that the young kids couldn't carry the load etc, it's just that have more offensive punch would have definitely helped, especially if they don't have that punch again. The chances of all 4 of Matthews/Tavares/Nylander/Marner going off in the same series isn't the highest, having another forward to give you that extra insurance would go a long way.

Again, just my two cents.

I get what you are saying. But, we have one bullet... not two really..not without some massive Cap gymnastics and giving up a ton of futures. I can understand why you want offense... I just think D is the bigger need.

 

[fahad203]

I don't think Vancouver wants to deal Schenn for some reason, he is playing well with Hughes and I think they want him around for his development.. unless a team over pays maybe a 2nd for him... I wouldn't give more than a 3rd (he's signed cheap for next year aswell) if he's only worth a 4th I feel they'll hold on to him instead.

I LOVED Kessel! I would love to see Kessel on our team and score a patent bullet writer from the circle again, but unfortunately I don't think he fits our defensive minded Mold, he liked to Cheat a lot for rush plays. He isn't going to be playing in our Top 6, and although we would love his scoring on the third line, we need it to also be a shutdown line for matchups... Kessel is slower (which now probably makes him average speed) and his shot is still good but less lethal than it use to me... And he isn't going to be backchecking as hard as Micheyev... So there are better options out there. If we were looking for a cheap scoring threat in our top 6, he'd be a good target, but we have so much skill from our core guys that we're looking for a power forward with net presence and good defense to fit our mold.

I think Kessel still has lot to give. He's still a threat to score. You put him where Kerfoot is and with John and Willy he'll get you some goals

 

[4thline]

@X66 re scoring- I think an indirect way of getting that offesne is a +level 4C (borderline 3C) that moves Spezza to the RW. RW load managed Spezza is that secret weapon, a guy with the skill to create mismatches against depth. Everyday 4C Spezza is a good voice in the room and decent PP2 option.

 

[Fogelhund]

I think Kessel still has lot to give. He's still a threat to score. You put him where Kerfoot is and with John and Willy he'll get you some goals

Kessel needs to drive his own line, and carry the puck. He wouldn't fit with John and in particular Willy. He'd have to play on the third line, like he did with Pittsburgh. He'd replace Kase. His cap is pretty high too.

 

[stickty111]

We're always at the top for GF and our offence is still what holds us back in the last 3 series(Boston, Columbus, MTL) IMO.

Last two years now we've been under our real goal count when looking at our xGF.

That tells me a few things:

1)We are elite at generating chances(fact)
2)We should be scoring a lot of goals(fact)
3)No one outside of Matthews/Tavares/Nylander are threats to score from anywhere(IMO fact).

I would LOVE to add another game breaking forward in some way, it would tip the scale IMHO.

If we want to go big, Hertl is the guy.

 

[X66]

If we want to go big, Hertl is the guy.

Don't do this to my heart.

 

[Buds17]

We're always at the top for GF and our offence is still what holds us back in the last 3 series(Boston, Columbus, MTL) IMO.

Last two years now we've been under our real goal count when looking at our xGF.

That tells me a few things:

1)We are elite at generating chances(fact)
2)We should be scoring a lot of goals(fact)
3)No one outside of Matthews/Tavares/Nylander are threats to score from anywhere(IMO fact).

I would LOVE to add another game breaking forward in some way, it would tip the scale IMHO.

There's a fair argument to be made in the team not scoring enough against Boston. Toronto scored more goals than the Habs though IIRC and had the advantage over CBJ too in that department prior to the deciding game. The team didn't score more than one goal in any of those three deciding games. I wonder if Justin Williams is willing to come out of retirement?

In all seriousness, adding a forward doesn't seem like a bad idea at all if the price makes sense. My preference though would still be to shore up the blueline in the hopes of making a run.

 

[Ziggdiezan]

That’s an option too. To me the most likely thing is to have 5 vet D and let sandin or Lilly play in the playoffs. You will need somene any way.

my guess is both dermott and Holl are gone next year and sandin Lilly is pair 3. But it’s all guesses. We will see

Yup I think Dermott is 100% gone, I said as much last year and got absolutely destroyed on here lol.

Holl is a toss up and all depends on his play down the stretch/in the playoffs. If lily does progress could see Lily/Muzzin and Sandin/Holl to start the season perhaps

 

[ACC1224]

Yup I think Dermott is 100% gone, I said as much last year and got absolutely destroyed on here lol.

Holl is a toss up and all depends on his play down the stretch/in the playoffs. If lily does progress could see Lily/Muzzin and Sandin/Holl to start the season perhaps

If you said that last year wouldn't that mean you were wrong about Dermott?

 

[zeke]

Dermott is sorta perfect as a 7D - he's already a quality bottom pair guy, he plays either side, he's mobile, good puck mover, physical...does a bit of everything so can help fill in no matter who goes down.

 

[Zookeeper]

Nothing published about it but I’m just wondering if muzzin goes on LTIR depending how long this injury lasts what’s the trade deadline plan?

 

[thusk]

One game. Players need a chance to learn, and grow into their roles. Liljegren in particular is slow to adapt. You need patience with these players.

Was much more than 1 game. But its not i dont like liljegren, i just telling he need at least an extra year to reach top 4 level.

And we cant compared liljegren to mcavoy or subban, hes not at this level.

 

[Once]

Nothing published about it but I’m just wondering if muzzin goes on LTIR depending how long this injury lasts what’s the trade deadline plan?

I think he was practicing with the main group today.

 

[jiggy35]

Must say it would be surreal to see Schenn win a cup with the Leafs after all this time.

 

[Havoc]

It has really got on my nerves. When Boston played Charlie Mac, and Habs played Subban in the playoffs, nobody said oh this is really bad. Now that we could play kids, it's a complete disaster they do and we have to add another d man.

I mean, McAvoy established himself as a 22 minute full package dman in his rookie season. It's not really the same comparison. 17/18 McAvoy would be a fan favorite here to the point you wouldn't even see his name that often because there's nothing for anyone to really say about him. You pencil him into the lineup, celebrate your draft pick being a huge win and move on to other issues.

Not even Dubas is sold on Liljegren. He's the exact same as the majority here, in that we have confidence in Liljegren, but there's still lots of question marks as far as this years playoffs are concerned.

It's all up to Lil now anyways, so doesn't matter what anyone thinks. Dubas sent the message for Lil to show him what he's got.

 

[Torontonian]

It is going to be really hard and difficult to upgrade the top 4 via TDL, since pretty much all playoffs teams are looking to upgrade their top 4.
I think a solid physical bottom pair Dman would be good but this Dman also needs to be a good skater as his partner will most likely be Sandin.

Or if this Sandin and Holl thing is good, maybe Lil and Muzz and be another pair.

Then focus would be another forward, since our 13th forward is not good mix with our 12 starting forwards.

I think the thing that separates Toronto from other cup contenders at the TDL this year is, Florida, Colorado, Vegas, Carolina don't have a first round pick in the upcoming draft.

If Toronto really wants that player, they already have an advantage in that sense, upgrading the top 4 and getting deeper on the back in should be priority number one, they are one injury away from Brodie/Muzz/Moe from being thin on the back end come playoff time.

If they can't upgrade the defense the way they want too, then adding a top forward at the deadline should be the next approach they take, sliding Kerfoot down to the 3rd line would make us that much deeper up front.

 

[Warden of the North]

Must say it would be surreal to see Schenn win a cup with the Leafs after all this time.

"The Rebuild starts, and ends, now!"

 

[zeke]

I think the thing that separates Toronto from other cup contenders at the TDL this year is, Florida, Colorado, Vegas, Carolina don't have a first round pick in the upcoming draft.

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You just blew a lot of minds on here.