GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 PART VI

[The Podium]

Many people said the same thing about Sam Bennett. I think it goes both ways.

Between 2015-2021 while Sam Bennett played for the Flames, they were 14th in the league for goals scored. He wasn’t being carried by offensive opportunities or lacking linemates.

 

[Dragao6]

Can we pick up huberdeau to play with matthews?

 

[Havoc]

Can we pick up huberdeau to play with matthews?

nah Vasilevskiy won RW no.1 honors with that flip sauce setup

 

[Menzinger]

Crouse - Tavares - Nylander
Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Mikheyev - New 3C - Kase
Engval - Kampf - Spezza/Simmonds

Id try and move Kerfoot while his value is high for a more well rounded 3C who costs less against the cap.
Try crouse with Tavares and Nylander or on the third line with the new 3C and Kase.

I dont think people have seen enough of Crouse's game on this thread. He isnt just a dumb player throwing hits and doing nothing else. He thinks the game decently enough, uses his size and strength to drive the net and set up shop there. Giving him some linemates who can gain access to the O zone and find him near the net would make him a real threat.

Again, I just don't see the incentive here to spend likely 1-2 good assets to replace a guy like Kerfoot who already has chemistry with the second line.

I don't dislike Crouse, and would agree he could potentially be useful. But I don't think it's worth the cost + lineup disruption

 

[dubplatepressure]

Between 2015-2021 while Sam Bennett played for the Flames, they were 14th in the league for goals scored. He wasn’t being carried by offensive opportunities or lacking linemates.

I mean couldn't you say the opposite? That he had *more* opportunity due to the same exact reasons?

 

[DraftSchmaft]

Again, I just don't see the incentive here to spend likely 1-2 good assets to replace a guy like Kerfoot who already has chemistry with the second line.

I don't dislike Crouse, and would agree he could potentially be useful. But I don't think it's worth the cost + lineup disruption

I understand if we can't afford Crouse so have to back out, but Kerfoot shouldn't be a player you use as a reason to veto Crouse if it turns out you can afford him. He'd be a consistent 20 goal power forward in our top 6 throwing the body around in the playoffs. We've wanted this since the day Matthews was drafted. You don't veto that trade because you own a Kerfoot. You thank Kerfoot for his services and sell high for a 3C. Bottom 6 doesn't need his defence anymore with Kampf and the emergence of Engvall + whoever you trade Kerfoot for.

Crouse / 3C / Kampf >>>>>>>>>>> Kerfoot/Kampf/Spezza, it's not even close. Not throwing the cup chances away because of popularity contests.

Crouse and Kerfoot for a 3C does seem more XBOX-like though. That's not happening in one deadline, but again if it can, you do it. My main issue is avoiding another Dermott/Weegar situation because of our bias for our own players.

 

[TMLAM34]

I understand if we can't afford Crouse so have to back out, but Kerfoot shouldn't be a player you use as a reason to veto Crouse if it turns out you can afford him. He'd be a consistent 20 goal power forward in our top 6 throwing the body around in the playoffs. We've wanted this since the day Matthews was drafted. You don't veto that trade because you own a Kerfoot. You thank Kerfoot for his services and sell high for a 3C. Bottom 6 doesn't need his defence anymore with Kampf and the emergence of Engvall + whoever you trade Kerfoot for.

Crouse / 3C / Kampf >>>>>>>>>>> Kerfoot/Kampf/Spezza, it's not even close. Not throwing the cup chances away because of popularity contests.

Crouse and Kerfoot for a 3C does seem more XBOX-like though. That's not happening in one deadline, but again if it can, you do it. My main issue is avoiding another Dermott/Weegar situation because of our bias for our own players.

He’d be a consistent 20 goal scorer meanwhile he’s never hit the 20 goal mark… Everyone thought Ritchie would put up 20 goals playing with Matthews and Marner as well and we all know how that’s going…

No knock on Crouse, I like him and think he’d do well here. I just wouldn’t overpay for a 3rd liner.

 

[DraftSchmaft]

He’d be a consistent 20 goal scorer meanwhile he’s never hit the 20 goal mark… Everyone thought Ritchie would put up 20 goals playing with Matthews and Marner as well and we all know how that’s going…

No knock on Crouse, I like him and think he’d do well here. I just wouldn’t overpay for a 3rd liner.

So all you know about Crouse is that Ritchie failed, therefore so will Crouse. Cool. Good talk

*I was on my phone when I read your reply, man I dont know what they're doing with mobile version but for some reason all I was able to see was this: He’d be a consistent 20 goal scorer meanwhile he’s never hit the 20 goal mark…Ritchie...

Apologize for my rude reply I didn't know you wrote more. I see it now.

That's fair. It depends how people envision him here. I think he's a lock for 20/20 player here. If you don't you won't want to pay up. But hey I don't know the actual price either, there's still a chance I back out too.

 

[The Podium]

So all you know about Crouse is that Ritchie failed, therefore so will Crouse. Cool. Good talk

He had the same amount of points as Bunting last season….. in 30 extra games.

Even Bunting is only pacing 55 points as a much better offensive player, so that line mate boost isn’t as significant as you think.

 

[SprDaVE]

Sign me up .. Dzingel hasn't been good since leaving Ottawa, but he brings some nice grit and peskiness to the bottom end of the roster, and can play both wings.

Are we not giving up the 3rd round pick in this scenario?

If we get the 3rd round pick, then definitely I would do it even if Dzingel is a downgrade on Ritchie.

Ohh I totally misread his post.

Yeah that is a bad deal

I had a brain fart and quickly edited my post to clarify that we're giving up the 3rd. You can switch it to a 4th round pick, either way, it's going to cost that to dump Ritchie... He's been that horrible and the Leafs will have no choice to dump him... the earlier the better.

Dzingel is a useful bottom line player that brings speed and PK abilities and like Bert said, he's pesky. He is not the same good player he was 2-3 years ago due to injuries but he's useful... and cheap. The point is to drop Ritchies contract but still gain a cheap respectable player that is struggling and that the Coyotes won't be able to gain much value from at the deadline.

You're not going to get value for Ritchie and you certainly won't be able to dump him for free. So I don't know what you expect to happen. I'll quickly build a Dubas statue if he can get a team to pay value for Nick Ritchie right now.

 

[Isaac Nootin]

Biggest difference between Crouse and Ritchie is that Crouse is a good skater, especially for his size, and doesn't have the turning radius of a bus, like Ritchie does.

 

[SoftDumpNtheCorner88]

Again, I just don't see the incentive here to spend likely 1-2 good assets to replace a guy like Kerfoot who already has chemistry with the second line.

I don't dislike Crouse, and would agree he could potentially be useful. But I don't think it's worth the cost + lineup disruption

Have no idea why people here are quick to give up assets for Crouse as he's put up 3rd line numbers his career (career high 25pts)... People want the new toy while I'd argue Micheyev given the same opportunities consistently will be a better player.

 

[DraftSchmaft]

He had the same amount of points as Bunting last season….. in 30 extra games.

Even Bunting is only pacing 55 points as a much better offensive player, so that line mate boost isn’t as significant as you think.

This statement is fueled by Buntings emergence here. Bunting supports getting Crouse, he doesn't deter it. This time last year we have no idea who Bunting is, now suddenly he has more x than player y?

The only thing scaring people away from Crouse is Ritchie. Can you imagine Ritchie playing Crouses Arizona minutes? Crouse is not Ritchie.

We don't even need Crouse to hit 50 points. Sorry but if you don't know the significance about adding potentially 20/20 player with 200+ hits, I'm not sure what to say. Kerfoot and his 12 goal paces are becoming overrated fast. We can always find another Kerfoot but hitting on a 20/20 power forward will be extremely hard. Why not take advantage now with Crouse on the market if the price is okay?

I keep forgetting to say that when I say 20/20, that's what I fully expect him to become here in our top 6. I know he's not that now.

 

[Havoc]

This statement is fueled by Buntings emergence here. Bunting supports getting Crouse, he doesn't deter it. This time last year we have no idea who Bunting is, now suddenly he has more x than player y?

The only thing scaring people away from Crouse is Ritchie. Can you imagine Ritchie playing Crouses Arizona minutes? Crouse is not Ritchie.

We don't even need Crouse to hit 50 points. Sorry but if you don't know the significance about adding potentially 20/20 player with 200+ hits, I'm not sure what to say. Kerfoot and his 12 goal paces are becoming overrated fast. We can always find another Kerfoot but hitting on a 20/20 power forward will be extremely hard. Why not take advantage now with Crouse on the market if the price is okay?

I keep forgetting to say that when I say 20/20, that's what I fully expect him to become here in our top 6. I know he's not that now.

Tkachuk, Wilson and Crouse are the only house hold names pacing 20 goals and 200 hits right now. Extremely hard is an understatement.

Nashville an absolute steal with Tanner Jeannot.

Edit: Forgot Marcus Foligno

 

[LeafChief]

I don't really have much interest in Crouse, especially considering what it will cost.

 

[Kiwi]

I had a brain fart and quickly edited my post to clarify that we're giving up the 3rd. You can switch it to a 4th round pick, either way, it's going to cost that to dump Ritchie... He's been that horrible and the Leafs will have no choice to dump him... the earlier the better.

Dzingel is a useful bottom line player that brings speed and PK abilities and like Bert said, he's pesky. He is not the same good player he was 2-3 years ago due to injuries but he's useful... and cheap. The point is to drop Ritchies contract but still gain a cheap respectable player that is struggling and that the Coyotes won't be able to gain much value from at the deadline.

You're not going to get value for Ritchie and you certainly won't be able to dump him for free. So I don't know what you expect to happen. I'll quickly build a Dubas statue if he can get a team to pay value for Nick Ritchie right now.

If it's going to take a 3rd to dump him do it right now, no debate just trade him asap

We would make that pick back not needing multiple teams to retain on every player we aquire so we can fit under the cap

 

[SoftDumpNtheCorner88]

So all you know about Crouse is that Ritchie failed, therefore so will Crouse. Cool. Good talk

Dude.... You're vouching for a player who's career high is 25pts (looking to finally beat that number this year) over a player in kerfoot who's our Swiss Army knife and is pacing for a 60pt season.. give your head a shake.

 

[DraftSchmaft]

Dude.... You're vouching for a player who's career high is 25pts (looking to finally beat that number this year) over a player in kerfoot who's our Swiss Army knife and is pacing for a 60pt season.. give your head a shake.

You'll be shaking your own head in disgust over this comment if Crouse does emerge as a consistent 20 goal power forward. This thread is a weird place. Can't believe Kerfoot would be in the same conversation as a skillset that is becoming a dying breed in the NHL and that we sorely lack.

*That 20 goal comment is of course if he does get traded. I'm not vouching for anyones stats that remain on Arizona.

 

[Martin Skoula]

You'll be shaking your own head in disgust over this comment if Crouse does emerge as a consistent 20 goal power forward. This thread is a weird place. Can't believe Kerfoot would be in the same conversation as a skillset that is becoming a dying breed in the NHL and that we sorely lack.

Gee I wonder if there's a reason that skillset is a dying breed.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

If it's going to take a 3rd to dump him do it right now, no debate just trade him asap

We would make that pick back not needing multiple teams to retain on every player we aquire so we can fit under the cap

Who are we getting where we would need to double retain?

 

[DraftSchmaft]

Gee I wonder if there's a reason that skillset is a dying breed.

.....he's currently on pace for it. So is a few other players in the league. That makes him valuable. What a fail at sarcasm.

Our top 6 can get more juice out of Crouse than Kerfoot is providing. We're similar to Panthers in that we can make over night producers. Kerfoots 12 goal pace puts us a step behind the Panthers. That's actually an absurd pace for where he plays and doesn't deserve a permanent spot there if we can do better.

 

[DraftSchmaft]

Gee I wonder if there's a reason that skillset is a dying breed.

Wait....you realize it's a dying breed that teams actually want right? Yeah definitely a grade of F for sarcasm

 

[Martin Skoula]

Wait....you realize it's a dying breed that teams actually want right? Yeah definitely a grade of F for sarcasm

Maybe make a 3rd post about it, they're getting better.

 

[DraftSchmaft]

Maybe make a 3rd post about it, they're getting better.

I'll give this one a D+. Yours are getting better too

 

[thusk]

So all you know about Crouse is that Ritchie failed, therefore so will Crouse. Cool. Good talk

*I was on my phone when I read your reply, man I dont know what they're doing with mobile version but for some reason all I was able to see was this: He’d be a consistent 20 goal scorer meanwhile he’s never hit the 20 goal mark…

Apologize for my rude reply I didn't know you wrote more. I see it now.

That's fair. It depends how people envision him here. I think he's a lock for 20/20 player here. If you don't you won't want to pay up. But hey I don't know the actual price either, there's still a chance I back out too.

Bunting already set with matthews and kerfoot play really well with nylander.

I know its the dream of the big power top 6 foward but you cant change something working very well for a big unknown in middle of regular season. Trading kerfoot is a kind of off season decision, not regular season .