GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 PART V

[thusk]

If you're evaluating a Sandin + for Chychrun type trade, you have to remember there's an opportunity cost at not making the trade either. It obviously depends on what you think Sandin's ultimate upside is and what the delta is between that ceiling and Chychrun's ceiling, but there's also a timetable factor.

To use a historic example, the Leafs offered Kaberle, Stajan, 2x first round picks for Chris Pronger, but St. Louis wanted Steen. The Leafs wisely or unwisely said no. The team went in the toilet, Steen stagnated and we ended up trading him to St. Louis and didn't have Pronger to show for it. Could the Leafs history have been different if they had gotten that player in 2005?

Chris Pronger speaks on failed trade to Leafs from Oilers 13 years ago - NHL Rumors - NHLTradeRumors.Me

Yeah big mistake but pronger was already an elite two way dman... chychrun right now is a very good offensive dman.

Last season was his best by far. he started 61 % of the time on offensive zone and finish 9th in goal against him. I will compare him to a guy leafs knows very well, Nikita Zaitsev. He played the same amount of time (+/- 1 sec/ game). Zaitsev started 67 of the time in defensive zone in an other crap team(so 29 % of the time he started in a worst situation of chychrun (67-39) and still allowed 4 goal less than chychrun. But chychrun should be an elite TWO WAY dmen?!?!?! Hes closer of an quinn hugues, an unidimentionnal offensive dman than a 2way right now

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

My ideal Leafs additions include:

In:
Damon Severson
Warren Foegele
Mark Pysyk (play 4 RW or D)
Ilya Lyubushkin
Anton Forsberg
Collin Delia

Out:
Nick Ritchie
Petr Mrazek
Justin Holl

Delia/Forsberg/Pysyk/Lyubushkin should be cheap adds. Severson will likely be pricy but we did try on him last year.

I can go into detail about the goalies later but I never like paying more than league min for a backup and both Forsberg/Delia track well with a goaltending formula that I use (similar profile to Stolarz in that if you give them good defensive structure (limiting shots and high danger chances, they can thrive).

Lineup after:

Bunting-Matthews-Marner
Kerfoot-Tavares-Nylander
Foegele-Kampf-Kase
Mikheyev-Spezza-Pysyk
Engvall/Simmonds

Rielly-Brodie
Muzzin-Severson
Sandin-Liljegren
Dermott-Lyubushkin/Pysyk

Campbell
Forsberg
Delia

 

[TML1967]

Lagesson just cleared waivers and is turning 25 in a few weeks. He has shown practically nothing to this point, so I don't see what value this guy has.

He is also on a one-way deal. If you really wanted him, you can probably give a nothing contract to take him off of Edmonton's hands. Most teams don't want guys like that in the AHL.

Im viewing him as someone im fine as the number 8/9 guy in NHL depth.
I think Mrazek's value right now is about a net negative because his deal has 2 more years. If we can get a B or B+ prospect while taking on a G who has similar numbers this years but is on an expiring contract Id say thats fine.

Benson and Lavoie would be my preference.

In a perfect world Id do a full gamble, our first for thier first. I think it will end up being about 10 spot difference, so like Mrazek and 27-32 for Koskinen and 15ish.
I dont think a goalie is gonna make that big a difference for the Oilers, they seem broken and need a legit shakeup akin to a Coach firing but they seem reluctant.

 

[jaric1862]

Dermott and/or Ritchie is how they make cap space.

They’ll have to attach something to Ritchie

Dermott’s easier to trade but they obviously won’t fetch much.

Given Campbell’s slip recently, they’re going to need Mrazek for this year.

 

[Jozay]

Kerfoot can go too.

 

[SHANNYPLAN]

Leafs - Kraken
Jamie Oleksiak (@ $1 Mil Ret)
for
Justin Holl, Nick Robertson & Mid Pick

Rielly - - - - Brodie
Muzzin - Oleksiak
Sandin - Liljigren

 

[Torontonian]

Being realistic here, the Leafs won't subtract 3 or 4 players off the roster and add 3 or 4 different players from other teams in the middle of the season, too hard to do and messes with the team chemistry, turnover like that will happen in the summer.

What I can see the Leafs doing though is trading Ritchie and Holl away mid season to gain 4.5m in cap space and plug a hole on D.

 

[Stephen]

With the nuclear meltdown in Edmonton burning hotter than Chernobyl, I wonder if we might be on a collision course for a McDavid blockbuster within the year? It's not like we don't have some big guns to send back their way.

 

[Apex Predator]

With the nuclear meltdown in Edmonton burning hotter than Chernobyl, I wonder if we might be on a collision course for a McDavid blockbuster within the year? It's not like we don't have some big guns to send back their way.

If the leafs end up trading for Mcdavid it probably means they had a meltdown and lost in the first round or missed the playoffs. If leafs get past the 1st round Dubas will still be here and won’t break up the core 4.

 

[McSnypsky]

If the leafs end up trading for Mcdavid it probably means they had a meltdown and lost in the first round or missed the playoffs. If leafs get past the 1st round Dubas will still be here and won’t break up the core 4.

You think that Dubas wouldn't listen to Marner Sandin for McJesus?

 

[zeke]

Marner + Sandin + 2 1sts

 

[Nylanderthal]

Being realistic here, the Leafs won't subtract 3 or 4 players off the roster and add 3 or 4 different players from other teams in the middle of the season, too hard to do and messes with the team chemistry, turnover like that will happen in the summer.

What I can see the Leafs doing though is trading Ritchie and Holl away mid season to gain 4.5m in cap space and plug a hole on D.

This is a reasonable take. One of dermott or holl and maybe Ritchie + some futures for upgrade the top 4 makes the most sense mid season.
Other stuff like swapping out mrazek or trading Kerfoot while he’s playing the best hockey of his life and finally has in acarved out a role for on the line up is stuff for the off-season. If there’s a 4th line type guy who can throw a hit and keep up Then that’s something that’s worthwhile to look at as well.

 

[Leaffan1991]

Marner
JT 2 million retained
Robertson
Sandin
First round pick

they can reunite Hyman JT Marner on one line.

leafs get Mcdavid and Barrie for cap purposes

leafs trade Barrie right away for anything.

This would all be done in the off-season if both teams fail again

 

[ACC1224]

Marner
JT 2 million retained
Robertson
Sandin
First round pick

they can reunite Hyman JT Marner on one line.

leafs get Mcdavid and Barrie for cap purposes

leafs trade Barrie right away for anything.

This would all be done in the off-season if both teams fail again

JT = NMC

 

[ACC1224]

With the nuclear meltdown in Edmonton burning hotter than Chernobyl, I wonder if we might be on a collision course for a McDavid blockbuster within the year? It's not like we don't have some big guns to send back their way.

McDavid for Matthews and Sandin/Lilligren?

 

[MarMarSab3]

McDavid for Matthews and Sandin/Lilligren?

Don't see Matthew's resigning in Edmonton and I'm pretty sure Edmonton sees it the same way

 

[Kurtz]

With the nuclear meltdown in Edmonton burning hotter than Chernobyl, I wonder if we might be on a collision course for a McDavid blockbuster within the year? It's not like we don't have some big guns to send back their way.

I don't fancy our chances of getting him in a trade unless he demands us specifically, which is unlikely. Edmonton would likely want to rebuild, and I wager NYR would be ALL OVER IT, offering Laf, Kako, and about a dozen picks.

 

[MarMarSab3]

Bunting Matthews Marner
Mikheyev Tavares Nylander
Engvall Kampf Kase
***** Spezza Simmonds
******
so looking at the forward, upgrade at 4LW ideally someone with spice and can PK and a 13th forward preferably a C whos responsible defensively
out: Kerfoot Ritchie

Reilly Brodie
Muzzin Liljegren
Sandin *******
*******

looking at our Defence a defensively responsible physical 4/5 RD and 7th D of the same ilk
out: Dermott, Holl

Targets: Mayfield for that 4/5 RD and Lybushkin for that 6/7 D, Nick Paul, Calle Jarnkrok, Riley Sheahan for 4LW and 13th FW

 

[Apex Predator]

You think that Dubas wouldn't listen to Marner Sandin for McJesus?

Who knows if that even gets it done from the oilers perspective.

 

[Kurtz]

Who knows if that even gets it done from the oilers perspective.

It surely won't - I wager they'd ask for at least 5 firsts on top of it. And I'd pay that.

Other teams would likely beat that offer though.

 

[ToneDog]

Bunting Matthews Marner
Mikheyev Tavares Nylander
Engvall Kampf Kase
***** Spezza Simmonds
******
so looking at the forward, upgrade at 4LW ideally someone with spice and can PK and a 13th forward preferably a C whos responsible defensively
out: Kerfoot Ritchie

Reilly Brodie
Muzzin Liljegren
Sandin *******
*******

looking at our Defence a defensively responsible physical 4/5 RD and 7th D of the same ilk
out: Dermott, Holl

Targets: Mayfield for that 4/5 RD and Lybushkin for that 6/7 D, Nick Paul, Calle Jarnkrok, Riley Sheahan for 4LW and 13th FW

We need more of a Tom Wilson type of player in our top 6. 65 is not it. 65 and 47 need to be in your bottom 6 and if you are moving Kerfoot you need to find somebody to play with 91 and 88. Foligno was not it and one year later, same old same old.

One year later, we are also looking for another Bogozian because our bottom D pair is too small and too weak. Meanwhile Schnieder is up with the Rangers. Great work Kyle.

 

[Apex Predator]

It surely won't - I wager they'd ask for at least 5 firsts on top of it. And I'd pay that.

Other teams would likely beat that offer though.

I think if the oilers are trading McDavid they’re probably going through a mini rebuild and looking at prospects, draft picks and players still on ELC. I think rangers or Kings make most sense.

 

[ToneDog]

I think if the oilers are trading McDavid they’re probably going through a mini rebuild and looking at prospects, draft picks and players still on ELC. I think rangers or Kings make most sense.

Unless McDavid wants to come home like Trouba forced the Jets to move him to NYR for peanuts. You would have to move JT out to bring in McDavid. Good luck.

 

[Legion34]

I don't fancy our chances of getting him in a trade unless he demands us specifically, which is unlikely. Edmonton would likely want to rebuild, and I wager NYR would be ALL OVER IT, offering Laf, Kako, and about a dozen picks.

and clear out 12 mill?

mcdavid picks Where he wants to go in July. Full NMC if he chose to ask out he has full control.
If he wants out.

Toronto would have an easier time clearing some space. Marner has no control. That’s 11 million.

for NYR to do it. They would have to trade fox really. Kreider. Panarin. Zibby. Kreider. Trouba have NMC.

ultimately If he said I’m only going to Columbus. Then they would do everything to do it.

but if he wanted to come here. We have a package of like marner. Sandin. Mrazek 1st.

 

[Magic Man]

I kind of figured McDavid would walk to Toronto after his stint with the Oilers because they aren't very competitive. If he moved to the Rangers and was able to get comfortable in New York for a few years before he reaches FA, I could definitely see him re-signing early and missing out on coming here.