GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 PART V

[thusk]

Klingberg & Pavelski both 50%
For Holl + dermott + Ritchie + Robertson + 1st + 2nd
Then a mid pick for Schenn.
Bunting Matthews Pavelski
Mikheyev Tavares Marner
Nylander Kerfoot Kase
Engvall Kampf Anderson/spezz/simmer
Roll four lines deep overwhelm the opposition with three quality scoring lines use the fourth for D zone starts and to tilt the ice.
Rielly-Brodie
Muzz-klingberg
Sandin-liljegren
Schenn

Yeah sure an offensive dmen who struggle in his own zone and not physical at all is the solution for what leafs need...

Its not because a couple of big name are available than its what the team need.

The biggest leafs need a big physical stay at home d who can play against top opposite line. Probably everything klingberg is not

 

[jaric1862]

We need a Mayfield, Manson, Chiarot type.

 

[TMLAM34]

Yeah sure an offensive dmen who struggle in his own zone and not physical at all is the solution for what leafs need...

Its not because a couple of big name are available than its what the team need.

The biggest leafs need a big physical stay at home d who can play against top opposite line. Probably everything klingberg is not

I agree. Not sure why some Leaf fans want Klingberg… He’s definitely the exact opposite of what this team needs. Not to mention the price to acquire him is going to be high even though he’s a pending UFA…

Manson even though he’s lost a step in his game would be a way better addition and at a fraction of the cost. It all depends on whether Anaheim falls out of the playoff race when the trade deadline comes.

If it’s true and Chicago is listening to almost every player, Murphy would be my target.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Seravelli said everyone minus Toews, Kane, Jones are available.

I know some people think Dach or Debrincat...but there's another.

Hagel, PITA to play against. Not sure what Chicago would want to make it happen. LD is pretty weak.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Seravelli said everyone minus Toews, Kane, Jones are available.

I know some people think Dach or Debrincat...but there's another.

Hagel, PITA to play against. Not sure what Chicago would want to make it happen. LD is pretty weak.

Nice I had to look up PITA lol

 

[Rude Dog]

Never thought I would say this, but I would move Sandin and a 1st as part of a package for Chychrun. Create room for his salary longer term by trading Muzzin in the off season. Leafs need to get bigger on the back end. Think they should also replace Dermott with a big stay at home body. Zona would likely want Knies as part of the package (being a local kid). I would have a hard time including him and would prefer pretty much any other prospect. But assuming Arizona would only do the deal if he was included.

Would Leaf fans consider Sandin, Knies + 1st for Chychrun and Crouse (who I don't like as much as many others on this board)?

 

[WTFMAN99]

Nice I had to look up PITA lol

I think if people like Bunting, they'll like Hagel

Never thought I would say this, but I would move Sandin and a 1st as part of a package for Chychrun. Create room for his salary longer term by trading Muzzin in the off season. Leafs need to get bigger on the back end. Think they should also replace Dermott with a big stay at home body. Zona would likely want Knies as part of the package (being a local kid). I would have a hard time including him and would prefer pretty much any other prospect. But assuming Arizona would only do the deal if he was included.

Would Leaf fans consider Sandin, Knies + 1st for Chychrun and Crouse (who I don't like as much as many others on this board)?

I wouldn't offer up either of Sandin or Knies in a deal for Chychrun, overrated AF.

 

[thusk]

I agree. Not sure why some Leaf fans want Klingberg… He’s definitely the exact opposite of what this team needs. Not to mention the price to acquire him is going to be high even though he’s a pending UFA…

Manson even though he’s lost a step in his game would be a way better addition and at a fraction of the cost. It all depends on whether Anaheim falls out of the playoff race when the trade deadline comes.

If it’s true and Chicago is listening to almost every player, Murphy would be my target.

Right now anaheim is 10th in the western conference if you watch % of pts.

Manson i dont think he really loose a step, he look worst than hes in reality because hes playing in a crap team

 

[OVO16]

I'm more worried about the defense over the forward group when it comes to toughness. Our backend needs to get considerably bigger and meaner if we want to make it out of the 1st rd.

A Josh Manson Type is severely needed. Probably 2 Josh Manson types. Replacing Holl and Dermott with big Manson/Soucy (Just an example)...would go a long way.

But we're so tight up against the cap, making changes to this roster is extremely difficult. This team has a 1st rd exit writted all over it

 

[OVO16]

Ask any other fanbase what they think about the leafs....literally, every single person always mentions how the Leafs are still considered to be extremely soft.

I'm willing to bet everything that its also how all the other teams around the league still view the Leafs.

It's not about adding facepunchers. Its about adding People who are ready to go to war in the playoffs. Leafs just dont have that mentality

 

[ErnieLeafs]

Ask any other fanbase what they think about the leafs....literally, every single person always mentions how the Leafs are still considered to be extremely soft.

I'm willing to bet everything that its also how all the other teams around the league still view the Leafs.

It's not about adding facepunchers. Its about adding People who are ready to go to war in the playoffs. Leafs just dont have that mentality

It’s not like every other fanbase doesn’t have an axe to grind, or anything…

 

[Martin Skoula]

Ask any other fanbase what they think about the leafs....literally, every single person always mentions how the Leafs are still considered to be extremely soft.

I'm willing to bet everything that its also how all the other teams around the league still view the Leafs.

It's not about adding facepunchers. Its about adding People who are ready to go to war in the playoffs. Leafs just dont have that mentality

They'll also say we're bad defensively, offensively, and our goaltending is a big problem but also somehow bailing us out at the same time.

 

[All Mod Cons]

It’s not like every other fanbase doesn’t have an axe to grind, or anything…

But literally, every single person that is not a Leafs fan?
Heck 75% of Leafs fans know it as well. We're down to about 25% of one fanbase that doesn't consider it to be a problem, after 5 years.

 

[thusk]

I'm more worried about the defense over the forward group when it comes to toughness. Our backend needs to get considerably bigger and meaner if we want to make it out of the 1st rd.

A Josh Manson Type is severely needed. Probably 2 Josh Manson types. Replacing Holl and Dermott with big Manson/Soucy (Just an example)...would go a long way.

But we're so tight up against the cap, making changes to this roster is extremely difficult. This team has a 1st rd exit writted all over it

Im agree replacing holl in a top 4 role but im.not agree holl should be out of the line up. Holl on a 3rd pairing should be excellent.

Holl played against top line until 2 season and now he should be not enought good to stay in the line up? I don't see what you really get more in a guy like soucy over holl...

 

[ShaneFalco]

Ask any other fanbase what they think about the leafs....literally, every single person always mentions how the Leafs are still considered to be extremely soft.

I'm willing to bet everything that its also how all the other teams around the league still view the Leafs.

It's not about adding facepunchers. Its about adding People who are ready to go to war in the playoffs. Leafs just dont have that mentality

The infamous killer instinct. No they definitely don't and Muzzin and to a lesser extent Rielly call the team out every year. Basically saying they are too easy to play against

 

[Havoc]

Never thought I would say this, but I would move Sandin and a 1st as part of a package for Chychrun. Create room for his salary longer term by trading Muzzin in the off season. Leafs need to get bigger on the back end. Think they should also replace Dermott with a big stay at home body. Zona would likely want Knies as part of the package (being a local kid). I would have a hard time including him and would prefer pretty much any other prospect. But assuming Arizona would only do the deal if he was included.

Would Leaf fans consider Sandin, Knies + 1st for Chychrun and Crouse (who I don't like as much as many others on this board)?

Let me re-word this. If we had a 23 year old defenceman who scored 32 goals across the age of 21-23 (this number is most likely higher if he actually did play for us), would we trade him for Sandin, Knies + 1st?

With zero hesitation we would turn down all offers for Jakob.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Let me re-word this. If we had a 23 year old defenceman who scored 32 goals across the age of 21-23 (this number is most likely higher if he actually did play for us), would we trade him for Sandin, Knies + 1st?

With zero hesitation we would turn down all offers for Jakob.

Are we hands down the worst organization in the sport who barely can pay rent and salaries? What is our timeline for competing? Chychruns deal walks him right to FA and I don't see that team wherever they might be playing being any good between now and the expiration of his contract. Might as well cash in and completely reset the timeline.

 

[thusk]

Let me re-word this. If we had a 23 year old defenceman who scored 32 goals across the age of 21-23 (this number is most likely higher if he actually did play for us), would we trade him for Sandin, Knies + 1st?

With zero hesitation we would turn down all offers for Jakob.

But if at the end, that cost campbell next season because toronto dont have 4.6M to give to an other offensive dman. Toronto will just be worst...

 

[Havoc]

But if at the end, that cost campbell next season because toronto dont have 4.6M to give to an other offensive dman. Toronto will just be worst...

I personally wouldn't choose a 30 year old Campbell over Jakob.

Leafs have the best xGF and top 5 defensive team in the league (yeah yeah blown lead era right now) I'm not that scared about losing Campbell. They'll figure something out.

 

[thusk]

I personally wouldn't choose a 30 year old Campbell over Jakob.

Leafs have the best xGF and top 5 defensive team in the league (yeah yeah blown lead era right now) I'm not that scared about losing Campbell. They'll figure something out.

Toronto have the 5th best defensive team because campbell is very good.

In wich scenario do you think upgrade their chance to win.

With an #1 goalie or an offensive dman?

Just look the last 5-6 years, they always losing goalies battle and they always lost the serie.

 

[Buds17]

Let me re-word this. If we had a 23 year old defenceman who scored 32 goals across the age of 21-23 (this number is most likely higher if he actually did play for us), would we trade him for Sandin, Knies + 1st?

With zero hesitation we would turn down all offers for Jakob.

A competitive team shouldn't even consider the possibility as they essentially lose that trade "today"; a rebuilding team might at least be open to the idea of having multiple kicks at the can in the hope for a better future. I wouldn't be in favour of a prolonged rebuild if I were GM of an NHL team, but...

 

[Havoc]

Toronto have the 5th best defensive team because campbell is very good.

In wich scenario do you think upgrade their chance to win.

With an #1 goalie or an offensive dman?

Just look the last 5-6 years, they always losing goalies battle and they always lost the serie.

It does become more tricky when you have to consider the cap. I guess I cheated by filling in a million blanks with the "they'll figure it out".

My own principles based on the game today....I just can't bring myself to turn away a 23 year old stud d man for a 30 year old goaltender (edit- within the context of Campbells trajectory). I would rather take the risk of having to figure out goaltending. Let Dubas go sweat that out and cross fingers he comes back with something.

edit2- btw this "figure it out" can include keeping Campbell.

 

[showtime8]

The 2 pieces that I'd target from Chicago are Jake McCabe and Hagel. Basically look to swap Hagel for Engvall and look to add McCabe on the 2nd pairing.

I think McCabe is a very similar player to Brodie, where he skates well, plays good enough defense and is a low maintenance guy. I've been a fan of his for a while and I think that he would be a great complimentary piece on the back end.

I think the fall-back could be Soucy on the 3rd pair.


I think this past stretch of games have given us a bad reminder of what happened last year and just magnified what they're missing. Yes, this is a bad stretch and teams will go through that during the season. I wouldn't be panicking if I was Dubas, but how do you have the same conviction in this group? And with the difference in Muzzin and Holl's play from last year, there has to be some sort of answer. It likely won't happen until closer to the deadline, but why not get ahead of the pack and make a swing at a trade. With the issues that Covid has caused on the schedule and the overall roster, they can't afford to have a Foligno incident again.

 

[Rude Dog]

It does become more tricky when you have to consider the cap. I guess I cheated by filling in a million blanks with the "they'll figure it out".

My own principles based on the game today....I just can't bring myself to turn away a 23 year old stud d man for a 30 year old goaltender (edit- within the context of Campbells trajectory). I would rather take the risk of having to figure out goaltending. Let Dubas go sweat that out and cross fingers he comes back with something.

edit2- btw this "figure it out" can include keeping Campbell.

Key would be trading Muzzin who has two years left with no retention. Leafs would actually pick up a million dollars in cap savings for the next two years.

 

[thusk]

Let me re-word this. If we had a 23 year old defenceman who scored 32 goals across the age of 21-23 (this number is most likely higher if he actually did play for us), would we trade him for Sandin, Knies + 1st?

With zero hesitation we would turn down all offers for Jakob.

Good amount of goal at a young age do nt make him an elite dman

Phaneuf had 54 between 20-22
Subban 32 between 21-23
Ekman larsson 41 between 21-23
Faulk 36 between 21-23
Green 68 between 21-23
Gostibehere 51 21-23

They are 6 of the most overated dman of the last 15 years.

Yes hes only 23 but nothing chychrun did until hes on the NHL prove me hes an elite dman and better of those guy. So he didn't prove me hes a guy you should pay a high price to get him on your team. For me hes just a young overated dman because he can score goal, thats it.