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GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 PART V
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BertCorbeau
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Stephen
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Yep, exactly. Marner would be projectible as a Draisaitl-Marner duo which would look a lot like a Matthews-Marner duo, so it's as soft landing as you can get for Edmonton in terms of star power.
From a Toronto point of view, it would be really splashy. Of course I would do it, but I also wonder if it's the best move in terms of building a balanced, meaner, well rounded, all situations hockey team a la Tampa Bay, or if that kind of makes us an even more lopsided offensive top heavy team.
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Thing is, if that team isn't winning with McDavid, they're not going to win with Marner replacing him. If Marner was to be part of that deal he'd just be flipped eventually himself by the Oilers (for more futures).
Trading McDavid would mean that team is heading to a near 100% turnover
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I guess Edmonton could go and demand a Zegras, Sanderson, 1st round picks type haul, but the other team offering futures would have to clear a lot of cap to do so, so which competitive teams could gut their roster to make that happen. Think this will be an interesting story to watch unfold if they continue to stink it up. Imagine the utter shit storm if they lose to Calgary tonight...
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I'm really hoping the Flames destroy them just to enjoy the chaos that unfolds afterwards. Could lead to an insanely interesting offseason for the rest of the league
Dragao6
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I’ve tried in the past ordering McDavid jersey off nhl shop and they won’t allow it
what if a diff McDavid actually wants to order a jersey???
what if a diff McDavid actually wants to order a jersey???
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I honestly don't think it might take this much, if he does want out and even worse if it comes out that he does.
BertCorbeau
F*ck cancer - RIP Fugu and Buffaloed
Getting McDavid wouldn’t solve the teams cap issues and ability to add some depth or re-sign some guys.
But in terms of a game breaking talent he’s a big upgrade over Marner. Toughness and stuff in the playoffs haven’t been as a big of a concern as the big guns not being able to step up when needed. McDavid would be an upgrade there.
Also gives the ability to roll two highly potent lines down the middle as JT is declining and could be managed more effectively with third line minutes/spot duty on the wing.
Spot on.
Let’s say the Deal is done today.
I actually think Drai will score more goals with Marner and Oilers might be better defensively.
While the Leafs offence will be amazing but the problem of having half the cap on four forwards still exist.
Once again, it will be playoffs that determines the faith of the team and if they failed to advance pass the first round, what else can they do, the issue of 4 forwards taking half the cap is still there. Can’t trade McD bc you just traded for him, can’t touch JT, Willie is the best contract and that left AM, but can’t touch him bc of the McD and AM combo.
forget mcdavid .... a marner for drai plus(cap reasons) deal would be much better for us .... matthews/nylander - jt/drai ....... maybe leon will want out?
What about Chara at the deadline if Islanders are out of it?
how can Dubas fix his Marazek problem? Can he sucker the Coyotoes or Oilers to take him on. Find a cheaper back up.
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He probably wouldn't want to join the Leafs but if he was, I wouldn't give up more than a mid/late round 2023 pick. He's a depth defenseman at best.
If the Leafs are going to bother doing something, it's to find someone that can probably play mid pairing minutes with Muzzin. A quality and efficient defenseman. If not, stay pat and try to find some good AHL trades to make.
People that have read my posts over the years know I'm not one that values physicality overly high but the Leafs probably could use more tenacity and intensity on the back end, which I think are more useful than just hits. Dermott and Holl have plateaued hard and unfortunately, they don't bring much of that when they struggle. I think the Leafs can do better. Sandin and Liljegren are getting better and are very valuable obviously but they are having some really bad stretches right now, which makes me a little nervous going down the stretch.
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I’ve counted him as well but in a tough, grind series and penalties don’t count he could be handy.
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I know it would be more of an off-season move but I really hope the Leafs are in on Andrei Kuzmenko of the KHL. This looks to be a lot more of a Panarin type signing than some of the other KHL signings the Leafs have made.
Kuzmenko's numbers blow Mikheyev, Barabanov and Semynov's numbers out of the water.
Millstein client who the Leafs have a very good relationship with.
Kuzmenko's numbers blow Mikheyev, Barabanov and Semynov's numbers out of the water.
Millstein client who the Leafs have a very good relationship with.
Quick Shifts: 8 rental targets to help Maple Leafs' biggest need - Sportsnet.ca
There are a handful of cheaper defenders on expiring contracts that check the proper boxes: experience playing against the opposition’s top six; kills penalties; capable of playing the right side; physical; and a cap hit that, with some massaging, could work.
Let’s take an early peek at eight impending UFAs, in descending order, who could be on Dubas’s wish list.
Ben Chiarot: Making deadline deals with the archrival Montreal Canadiens is never easy, but it can happen (see: Plekanec, Tomas). Chiarot will be the most obvious and in-demand rental, as his smashmouth style is ideal for springtime. Yes, he’s another left shot, but he comports himself well on the right side and ranks top-10 league-wide in PK time. He won’t come cheap (a first-rounder? plus?), and other contenders (Carolina, Florida, et al.) might be willing to offer more.
Josh Manson: The 30-year-old, stay-at-home defender is probably my favourite candidate on this list. Manson is big (6-foot-3, 224 pounds), mean and used to playing hard minutes in the physical Western Conference. The big catch here? We’re not certain the Anaheim Ducks are selling. Neither are they. A GM search is still underway, and the Ducks have surprisingly played their way into the playoff mix. They’ll re-evaluate in March.
Rasmus Ristolainen: The Flyers may not have waved the white flag yet, but it’s coming. Ristolainen is nasty, big-bodied (6-foot-4, 221 pounds) righty who clears out the crease and kills penalties. He has zero playoff experience and, as a long-serving Sabre, has always held a healthy distaste for the Leafs.
Anton Stralman: Reunion time? The 35-year-old Stralman began his NHL adventure as a Leaf way back in 2007 and has quietly been a steady presence on the back end for a bad Coyotes team. Yes, he’s a minus-3. But he’s a minus-3 on a minus-55 team who starts 68 per cent of his shifts in D-zone, drives play forward, and still logs 20-plus minutes a night.
Justin Braun: Some say the Leafs need more brawn. How about Braun? Another low-profile, steady veteran, Braun falls into that second tier of targets (i.e., more affordable). Philadelphia’s No. 2 penalty killer will be 35 by the time trade deadline rolls around, but he blocks shots and has enough legs to see his ice time rise to a three-year high.
Colin Miller: The Buffalo Sabres righty is expected to be on the block once he recovers from an undisclosed surgery that should have him healthy by mid-March. The 29-year-old has more offensive upside than most on this list — he scored three goals and put up seven points for Vegas during its run to the 2018 Cup final — but is happy to kill penalties. That he’s a Soo Greyhounds alum automatically raises eyebrows.
Ilya Lyubushkin: Like a younger Stralman, the 27-year-old Lyubushkin is a boring, stay-at-home right shot having a solid campaign in relative obscurity. The 6-foot-2 Russian carries a modest $1.35-million cap hit and throws hits. We’re getting into guys who might be a lateral move from Justin Holl here, but if Toronto wants a deep run, they’ll need players. Why not peruse the Coyotes’ fire sale?
Andy Greene: The 39-year-old’s feet are slowing down, to be sure, but as a No. 6 or 7 defenceman on a contender — which the Islanders are no longer — you could do much worse. The cap hit ($750,000) is right, Greene can play either side, and his leadership and experience (1,100-plus games including playoffs) is unquestionable. Would he join his first Canadian team if it meant a (final?) shot at a Cup?
There are a handful of cheaper defenders on expiring contracts that check the proper boxes: experience playing against the opposition’s top six; kills penalties; capable of playing the right side; physical; and a cap hit that, with some massaging, could work.
Let’s take an early peek at eight impending UFAs, in descending order, who could be on Dubas’s wish list.
Ben Chiarot: Making deadline deals with the archrival Montreal Canadiens is never easy, but it can happen (see: Plekanec, Tomas). Chiarot will be the most obvious and in-demand rental, as his smashmouth style is ideal for springtime. Yes, he’s another left shot, but he comports himself well on the right side and ranks top-10 league-wide in PK time. He won’t come cheap (a first-rounder? plus?), and other contenders (Carolina, Florida, et al.) might be willing to offer more.
Josh Manson: The 30-year-old, stay-at-home defender is probably my favourite candidate on this list. Manson is big (6-foot-3, 224 pounds), mean and used to playing hard minutes in the physical Western Conference. The big catch here? We’re not certain the Anaheim Ducks are selling. Neither are they. A GM search is still underway, and the Ducks have surprisingly played their way into the playoff mix. They’ll re-evaluate in March.
Rasmus Ristolainen: The Flyers may not have waved the white flag yet, but it’s coming. Ristolainen is nasty, big-bodied (6-foot-4, 221 pounds) righty who clears out the crease and kills penalties. He has zero playoff experience and, as a long-serving Sabre, has always held a healthy distaste for the Leafs.
Anton Stralman: Reunion time? The 35-year-old Stralman began his NHL adventure as a Leaf way back in 2007 and has quietly been a steady presence on the back end for a bad Coyotes team. Yes, he’s a minus-3. But he’s a minus-3 on a minus-55 team who starts 68 per cent of his shifts in D-zone, drives play forward, and still logs 20-plus minutes a night.
Justin Braun: Some say the Leafs need more brawn. How about Braun? Another low-profile, steady veteran, Braun falls into that second tier of targets (i.e., more affordable). Philadelphia’s No. 2 penalty killer will be 35 by the time trade deadline rolls around, but he blocks shots and has enough legs to see his ice time rise to a three-year high.
Colin Miller: The Buffalo Sabres righty is expected to be on the block once he recovers from an undisclosed surgery that should have him healthy by mid-March. The 29-year-old has more offensive upside than most on this list — he scored three goals and put up seven points for Vegas during its run to the 2018 Cup final — but is happy to kill penalties. That he’s a Soo Greyhounds alum automatically raises eyebrows.
Ilya Lyubushkin: Like a younger Stralman, the 27-year-old Lyubushkin is a boring, stay-at-home right shot having a solid campaign in relative obscurity. The 6-foot-2 Russian carries a modest $1.35-million cap hit and throws hits. We’re getting into guys who might be a lateral move from Justin Holl here, but if Toronto wants a deep run, they’ll need players. Why not peruse the Coyotes’ fire sale?
Andy Greene: The 39-year-old’s feet are slowing down, to be sure, but as a No. 6 or 7 defenceman on a contender — which the Islanders are no longer — you could do much worse. The cap hit ($750,000) is right, Greene can play either side, and his leadership and experience (1,100-plus games including playoffs) is unquestionable. Would he join his first Canadian team if it meant a (final?) shot at a Cup?
If Edmonton was smart (LOL) then Nylander would be their target. Marner isn't 4m better than Willie and the two play the same position.
Have to think if McDavid asks for a trade then Draisaitl is doing the same which would surely force the Oilers into another rebuild whether they want it or not.
It's a subject that isn't really being talked about league wide yet but I think there's a very strong chance McDavid asks out this summer.
So much yes. Kid is really good and Lou and Barry can’t see it
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