GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 PART V

[Gabriel426]

Florida would have to do some serious cap maneuvering, they've got 6.5m in dead space next season from Yandle buyout. But they definitely have some attractive roster pieces. All of TB's top players have NMC.

As it stands, Avs won't be able to afford Kadri and both goalies pending UFAs, it would make more sense for them to target Draisaitl who is the cheaper option.

If the Oilers are tearing it down, NYR and LA can put forward the best offers. I wouldn't sleep on the Kings, they have the prospects and draft capital to acquire anyone. They're in a weak division, but probably still a few years away, not sure McDavid would welcome the move if he wants to contend now.

Like you I think Rangers can put forward the best offer, they got a borderline starting goalie and Trouba( not sure does he has a NTC or NMC), with top end prospects like Laf and Kappo.
Leafs can do it too due to Marner, as he is probably the most talented player Oilers can get from any McDavid trades.

 

[Gabriel426]

No. Scratch off TB, Panthers and Rangers due to either Cap space, or players with NMC, who wouldn't waive to go to Edmonton.

The list is really Colorado, Minnesota, St. Louis, Toronto, from the top half of the NHL standings. Didn't look at the bottom half, as my guess is he'd want to go somewhere he could compete. Kings might have the pieces to do a trade, but after, they aren't in better shape than Edmonton now.

Personally, I think he will come to Toronto if he is traded.
Even without his NTC or NMC, it is really stupid for Holland not to trade McD to his desirable destination, in this case, I hope it is the Leafs.
Toronto by far got the best player(Marner) available in any trades ever since Eichel went to Vegas. Toronto is in the East.
Plus McDavid grew up as a Leafs fans.
Oilers get someone who is equal or better at passing to Drai in Marner. Marner might make Hyman better or Poolparty better as he has a history of making players around him better.
Marner kills penalty.
What’s more can Oilers ask for in return for McDavid.
The plus could be Holl, Dermott or Sandin, and Robertson or Amirov and 1st rounder.

 

[Stephen]

Like you I think Rangers can put forward the best offer, they got a borderline starting goalie and Trouba( not sure does he has a NTC or NMC), with top end prospects like Laf and Kappo.
Leafs can do it too due to Marner, as he is probably the most talented player Oilers can get from any McDavid trades.

In a doomsday Oilers scenario I could see a McDavid to Toronto play as a result of the player requesting it, and a Draisaitl to either Los Angeles, or New York if they completely change course on their current build. Classic 90s demolition.

But let's say McDavid gets fed up and wants to come to Toronto. Something like Marner, prospect, roster player, roster player and a 1st is pretty good value cause you can park Marner with Draisaitl and flesh out the roster.

 

[Gabriel426]

In a doomsday Oilers scenario I could see a McDavid to Toronto play as a result of the player requesting it, and a Draisaitl to either Los Angeles, or New York if they completely change course on their current build. Classic 90s demolition.

But let's say McDavid gets fed up and wants to come to Toronto. Something like Marner, prospect, roster player, roster player and a 1st is pretty good value cause you can park Marner with Draisaitl and flesh out the roster.

Exactly, I don’t think Oilers can get anyone better than Marner in a McDavid trade. Rangers can provide better pieces(Goalie and RHD) but Marner can walk in the Oilers lineup and Drai will still be scoring.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Like you I think Rangers can put forward the best offer, they got a borderline starting goalie and Trouba( not sure does he has a NTC or NMC), with top end prospects like Laf and Kappo.
Leafs can do it too due to Marner, as he is probably the most talented player Oilers can get from any McDavid trades.

They have no salary they can send aside from Fox. Everyone else has trade protection. Not to mention Kakko chytil and Laf all look like busts

 

[ACC1224]

Exactly, I don’t think Oilers can get anyone better than Marner in a McDavid trade. Rangers can provide better pieces(Goalie and RHD) but Marner can walk in the Oilers lineup and Drai will still be scoring.

What little offense they may lose they gain in defensive awareness.

Personally I think the Oilers would target Nylander + Rielly as a base.

 

[Gabriel426]

What little offense they may lose they gain in defensive awareness.

Also the chances of Marner going on another 100 games without a PP goal is extremely low. Lol

 

[Eternal Leaf]

In a doomsday Oilers scenario I could see a McDavid to Toronto play as a result of the player requesting it, and a Draisaitl to either Los Angeles, or New York if they completely change course on their current build. Classic 90s demolition.

But let's say McDavid gets fed up and wants to come to Toronto. Something like Marner, prospect, roster player, roster player and a 1st is pretty good value cause you can park Marner with Draisaitl and flesh out the roster.

I understand why Oilers fans wouldn't want to do it but your scenario is right. It's the only way he comes to Toronto before UFA.

Oilers fans might likely want more but the Leafs are only going to be trade partners if he puts in a trade request after July 1st (NMC starts). At that point, their leverage is greatly diminished.

It's either trade him to his preferred team or deal with a constant barrage of McDavid trade request questions throughout the remaining part of his contract. Every loss becomes about that topic. They could barely handle Draisaitl's "pissy" situation let alone something like this.

Let's be honest, teams like Toronto, Edmonton, and Montreal can't ignore a trade request from their superstars because it ruins the team chemistry immediately. If Matthews ever put in a trade request, he would be traded within months too. The same goes for Mcdavid.

I could see a deal like this:

Marner
Sandin/Liljegren
Robertson/Amirov
2022 or 2023 1st

That would be a solid deal for them. It's a young superstar + 2 quality young prospects + a 1st rounder. A good GM would likely have Edmonton up and running within 2 years even if Draisaitl stays.

 

[thusk]

When and if those points get made up, they’ll be more likely to unload….

I give you an exemple

Calgary is 5 points behind with 8 game in hand. During those 8 game they have to play for 0.312, its just a little bit better of arizona % of pts this season. Can you really consider anaheim over calgary?

I know anaheim already win or lost those game and other team have to do but you need to stay realistic... the % of win still the best way to compare every team season succes.

 

[Menzinger]

What little offense they may lose they gain in defensive awareness.

Personally I think the Oilers would target Nylander + Rielly as a base.

I suspect if it were to happen it would resemble the Eichel trade (with maybe a bit more included) more than any major roster players.

Couple 1st round picks, top prospect and then a good younger roster player.

 

[ACC1224]

I suspect if it were to happen it would resemble the Eichel trade (with maybe a bit more included) more than any major roster players.

Couple 1st round picks, top prospect and then a good younger roster player.

Yeah I guess depending on the teams bidding cap situation. I do wonder if the ownership will allow yet another rebuild there.

 

[ToneDog]

I suspect if it were to happen it would resemble the Eichel trade (with maybe a bit more included) more than any major roster players.

Couple 1st round picks, top prospect and then a good younger roster player.

For McDavid ?? Eichel had neck surgery on the horizon. I think you are way light. Oiler fans are balking at Marner and say it starts with Matty. 4 1st for McDavid is a bargain/pipe dream IMO.

 

[Nylanderthal]

For McDavid ?? Eichel had neck surgery on the horizon. I think you are way light. Oiler fans are balking at Marner and say it starts with Matty. 4 1st for McDavid is a bargain/pipe dream IMO.

If mcdavid is being traded it certainly isn’t on Edmonton’s terms. He’d be coming here to play with Matthews

 

[ToneDog]

If mcdavid is being traded it certainly isn’t on Edmonton’s terms. He’d be coming here to play with Matthews

Sure but you are not getting him what amounts to 4 firsts. Seriously would you trade Matty for the package that I thought was light ??

 

[Nylanderthal]

Sure but you are not getting him what amounts to 4 firsts. Seriously would you trade Matty for the package that I thought was light ??

No I wouldn’t, it would obviously be marner + a lot of stuff. they would need a good player back to save face and a bunch of futures to retool with

 

[Menzinger]

For McDavid ?? Eichel had neck surgery on the horizon. I think you are way light. Oiler fans are balking at Marner and say it starts with Matty. 4 1st for McDavid is a bargain/pipe dream IMO.

Fans always over estimate what their team's players will return in trades.

NHL history, especially in the cap era is filled with (often disappointing for one side) trades for teams where star players get moved for futures-quantity type packages.

I don't see any scenario where McDavid gets traded and Oilers fans are happy.

 

[LeafChief]

I completely understand Oilers fans saying a McDavid trade to the Leafs starts with Matthews. We would say the same thing if the shoe was on the other foot.

With that said, McDavid isn't going to simply get traded because the team is playing poorly. The only way McDavid gets traded is if he forces his way out. In a case like that, the cost comes down. The Marner++ offers we've seen posted here could make a lot of sense in that case.

If the Oilers were looking to move him just because, they could ask for the moon. If he forces his way out because he's had enough, that's a different story.

 

[Havoc]

I don't get how Oilers are no.1 for Kane. He clearly said he wants to go to a stanley cup contender.

Oilers and their media are one big circus right now. That's not really the best place for Kane.

 

[ToneDog]

Fans always over estimate what their team's players will return in trades.

NHL history, especially in the cap era is filled with (often disappointing for one side) trades for teams where star players get moved for futures-quantity type packages.

I don't see any scenario where McDavid gets traded and Oilers fans are happy.

I completely understand Oilers fans saying a McDavid trade to the Leafs starts with Matthews. We would say the same thing if the shoe was on the other foot.

With that said, McDavid isn't going to simply get traded because the team is playing poorly. The only way McDavid gets traded is if he forces his way out. In a case like that, the cost comes down. The Marner++ offers we've seen posted here could make a lot of sense in that case.

If the Oilers were looking to move him just because, they could ask for the moon. If he forces his way out because he's had enough, that's a different story.

Agree that return might be less than market value if 97 demands out and to T.O. but I still think

"Couple 1st round picks, top prospect and then a good younger roster player" is too light.

Marner++ is a much more likely return from the Leafs.

 

[Dreakmur]

I give you an exemple

Calgary is 5 points behind with 8 game in hand. During those 8 game they have to play for 0.312, its just a little bit better of arizona % of pts this season. Can you really consider anaheim over calgary?

I know anaheim already win or lost those game and other team have to do but you need to stay realistic... the % of win still the best way to compare every team season succes.

I completely understand how the schedule works. The fact is that Anaheim is currently in the playoffs and as likely as it is that teams will pass them, those teams still actually have to pass them.

 

[Dragao6]

Matthews isn’t going anywhere and…
Let’s get some playoff success before we trade for McDavid?
Why would he want to come here if leafs have as much success as the oilers ?

 

[Nylanderthal]

I don't get how Oilers are no.1 for Kane. He clearly said he wants to go to a stanley cup contender.

Oilers and their media are one big circus right now. That's not really the best place for Kane.

Maybe nothing been announced cause he’s seeing this current slide and has cold feet

 

[Stephen]

For McDavid ?? Eichel had neck surgery on the horizon. I think you are way light. Oiler fans are balking at Marner and say it starts with Matty. 4 1st for McDavid is a bargain/pipe dream IMO.

Yeah it's going to be for Matty just like Eichel returned Zegras and Sanderson and truck loads of first round picks for Buffalo.

McDavid requesting a trade out of Edmonton would be like Kawhi Leonard getting traded from San Antonio. I imagine they get a star player back (Marner), futures, futures and a 1st round pick and maybe a warm body here but they're not getting another battle ship back. From a negotiation POV you could even make the argument that Edmonton will lose a lot of leverage once McDavid's NMC kicks in and he can dictate terms. Furthermore, for all his brilliance, McDavid's impact in Edmonton is like Pavel Bure in Florida. One man highlight reel but you can't even put a team around him. Matthews in contrast is the foundation of a Top 5 team in the league.

 

[LeafChief]

Agree that return might be less than market value if 97 demands out and to T.O. but I still think

"Couple 1st round picks, top prospect and then a good younger roster player" is too light.

Marner++ is a much more likely return from the Leafs.

There would definitely have to be a Marner/Nylander/Rielly like piece going back. And then add more. Agreed.

 

[ToneDog]

Yeah it's going to be for Matty just like Eichel returned Zegras and Sanderson and truck loads of first round picks for Buffalo.

McDavid requesting a trade out of Edmonton would be like Kawhi Leonard getting traded from San Antonio. I imagine they get a star player back (Marner), futures, futures and a 1st round pick and maybe a warm body here but they're not getting another battle ship back. From a negotiation POV you could even make the argument that Edmonton will lose a lot of leverage once McDavid's NMC kicks in and he can dictate terms. Furthermore, for all his brilliance, McDavid's impact in Edmonton is like Pavel Bure in Florida. One man highlight reel but you can't even put a team around him. Matthews in contrast is the foundation of a Top 5 team in the league.

Kawhi wanted out because he was pissed off with how management treated him wrt his injury. McDavid would want out because he wants to win. I agree a Marner would go back and maybe they don't get a battleship back but 4 first is a dingy. Hell Glen Wesley got 5 firsts.