GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 PART IX

[dubplatepressure]

Yeah when you factor in Rodriguez it was a clear win at the time. Letting him walk and bad luck changes things some though IMO.

The Muzzin deal was also a clear win until now. No idea about the kid the Kings picked with our 1st but if they hit on that I bet Kings call it a win.

I think you could technically make an argument to say the draft picks are irrelevant when evaluating the strength of the trade. teams can hit and miss in a pick. The value is in the opportunity. For example because LA missed on that pick doesn't automatically mean that we would have hit on the pick - we could have picked the same bust too. So the value needs to be considered even and based on the opportunity and not on the result, with some caveats and exceptions

 

[SprDaVE]

Garland is a pretty good player. Would be a good add to our team from a talent standpoint even tho he might not be the best fit size/physicality wise.

Wasnt there rumours last season that we were interested in aquiring him?

He would definitely be. I like him. I think his skill set is a little redundant for what we have though. He's more or less a Kerfoot and Bunting level player though where they compliment a line well, they work hard but aren't overly big or physical. I don't think Garland moves the needle enough. He's also another right handed shot.

Maybe in the off-season depending what happens he could be a target.

 

[hockeywiz542]

Marlies midseason rankings: Who’s most likely to be called up to the Leafs? Who could be on the move at the deadline? - The Athletic

Most Likely Trade Targets

Alex Steeves: His three games for the Leafs came after only having played just 12 games for the Marlies before that. I don’t think the Leafs should trade him. He’s highly coachable and willing to adapt. But his smarts, skill and sandpaper make Steeves an attractive B-level prospect to offer in a trade package.

Joey Anderson: He could play on an NHL fourth line right now, depending on the team. Is he the type of piece that gets a deal over the line?

Mikhail Abramov: It’s been an up-and-down season for the rookie centre as he’s learned the ropes in professional hockey. He still looks outmatched in tight areas, but he’s picking his spots better than he did earlier in the season. He’s proven to be durable too, having played more games than any Marlie, as a rookie no less. Abramov needs to grow into his frame, but he has more skill and upside than any Marlie. If an NHL team is interested in giving him some runway to improve, he could be an option to move.

Chad Krys: I’ve generally been impressed by the defenceman’s smooth skating through the neutral zone and heads-up puck movement in his 24 Marlies games. Let’s not forget: Krys is just 23 and was a second-round pick in 2016. He’s in the final year of his entry-level deal. It’s difficult to imagine a contending team wanting to add him at the deadline, but should a team out of the playoff race find themselves in need of bodies to add to the blue line, Krys is a name to consider.

 

[Torontonian]

Please get a top 4D. Please

If goaltending will be a issue, top 4 D won't fix the puck going in every 5 shots, better off fixing the 2nd line and getting a top 6 forward and having an elite top 6 with a very solid 3rd line.

 

[SprDaVE]

Marlies midseason rankings: Who’s most likely to be called up to the Leafs? Who could be on the move at the deadline? - The Athletic

Most Likely Trade Targets

Alex Steeves: His three games for the Leafs came after only having played just 12 games for the Marlies before that. I don’t think the Leafs should trade him. He’s highly coachable and willing to adapt. But his smarts, skill and sandpaper make Steeves an attractive B-level prospect to offer in a trade package.

Joey Anderson: He could play on an NHL fourth line right now, depending on the team. Is he the type of piece that gets a deal over the line?

Mikhail Abramov: It’s been an up-and-down season for the rookie centre as he’s learned the ropes in professional hockey. He still looks outmatched in tight areas, but he’s picking his spots better than he did earlier in the season. He’s proven to be durable too, having played more games than any Marlie, as a rookie no less. Abramov needs to grow into his frame, but he has more skill and upside than any Marlie. If an NHL team is interested in giving him some runway to improve, he could be an option to move.

Chad Krys: I’ve generally been impressed by the defenceman’s smooth skating through the neutral zone and heads-up puck movement in his 24 Marlies games. Let’s not forget: Krys is just 23 and was a second-round pick in 2016. He’s in the final year of his entry-level deal. It’s difficult to imagine a contending team wanting to add him at the deadline, but should a team out of the playoff race find themselves in need of bodies to add to the blue line, Krys is a name to consider.

Steeves is not someone I'd trade. He's going to be a keeper. The rest are fine depending on the return of course.

 

[ToneDog]

If goaltending will be a issue, top 4 D won't fix the puck going in every 5 shots, better off fixing the 2nd line and getting a top 6 forward and having an elite top 6 with a very solid 3rd line.

Without Muzzin, it will be more than 1 goal every 5 shots. Adding a top 4 dman will make it less than 1 goal on 5 shots IMO. Then add Muzzin in May and it should be our best d group under Shanny.

 

[Clark4Ever]

If goaltending will be a issue, top 4 D won't fix the puck going in every 5 shots, better off fixing the 2nd line and getting a top 6 forward and having an elite top 6 with a very solid 3rd line.

With our recent level of goaltending, I'm afraid nothing we do at the trade deadline will increase our chances of advancing in the playoffs.

We need to either acquire another starting goaltender, or stay the course with the hope that one of Campbell or Mrazek can step up when it matters most.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Steeves is not someone I'd trade. He's going to be a keeper. The rest are fine depending on the return of course.

Given our lack of options at centre....not in a rush to trade one of the few prospects.

 

[Leaffan1991]

Mac called up, trade coming?

 

[ACC1224]

Mac called up, trade coming?

Possibly but I doubt that has anything to do with it.

 

[ULF_55]

With our recent level of goaltending, I'm afraid nothing we do at the trade deadline will increase our chances of advancing in the playoffs.

We need to either acquire another starting goaltender, or stay the course with the hope that one of Campbell or Mrazek can step up when it matters most.

Yeah, we fans are probably in the "don't allow any shot" mindset right now.

However, if we are being honest, their defense without the puck and this may apply more for the forwards is really questionable in their own zone.

If I had a curse jar I'd be contributing a few notes each game as I politely inquire from the forwards wtf are you doing in the d-zone, heck I'd even take getting sticks in lanes as an improvement.
I'd have to review some games, but I feel the Mikheyev, Kampf, Engvall line seem pretty good with their long reach, wouldn't mind a little more contact from Engvall, but he is adequate most times.

Scouting the Canucks, some interesting pieces. Schenn may not skate well enough for the Leafs. Garland is pretty expensive for the next several years. Boeser isn't having a great year, and would probably be a rental unless Leafs move cap out this summer, however not having a great year might be fortuitous for re-siging.

Just seems a package deal Chychrun and Crouse for quite a steep price, just might be the best reasonable situation. I would think Crouse would be re-signable.
Pearson and Hamonic
or
Crouse and Chychrun

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Yeah, we fans are probably in the "don't allow any shot" mindset right now.

However, if we are being honest, their defense without the puck and this may apply more for the forwards is really questionable in their own zone.

If I had a curse jar I'd be contributing a few notes each game as I politely inquire from the forwards wtf are you doing in the d-zone, heck I'd even take getting sticks in lanes as an improvement.
I'd have to review some games, but I feel the Mikheyev, Kampf, Engvall line seem pretty good with their long reach, wouldn't mind a little more contact from Engvall, but he is adequate most times.

Scouting the Canucks, some interesting pieces. Schenn may not skate well enough for the Leafs. Garland is pretty expensive for the next several years. Boeser isn't having a great year, and would probably be a rental unless Leafs move cap out this summer, however not having a great year might be fortuitous for re-siging.

Just seems a package deal Chychrun and Crouse for quite a steep price, just might be the best reasonable situation. I would think Crouse would be re-signable.
Pearson and Hamonic
or
Crouse and Chychrun

Chychurn has had 1 good season worth talking about so far in his career, he's not worth what it would cost to aquire him. Crouse is having a career year being fed prime minutes every game. Neither are worth what we would have to give up to get them.

 

[Lightsol]

He absolutely gutted Washington in that Mantha trade. My god.

As soon as I saw it, I said "Damn, Washington got ripped. Mantha simply isn't that good..."

 

[Torontonian]

With our recent level of goaltending, I'm afraid nothing we do at the trade deadline will increase our chances of advancing in the playoffs.

We need to either acquire another starting goaltender, or stay the course with the hope that one of Campbell or Mrazek can step up when it matters most.

It's going to be the latter, I don't think they are going waste assets on a goalie, they have two months to wait and hope Campbell returns to somewhat form like at the start of the season, if he does then the team can compete no problem.

 

[ULF_55]

Chychurn has had 1 good season worth talking about so far in his career, he's not worth what it would cost to aquire him. Crouse is having a career year being fed prime minutes every game. Neither are worth what we would have to give up to get them.

Yes, I think price would be steep.

Chychrun doesn't have to be a top defenseman, and Crouse just has to fill the 2nd. line hole.

You don't need to have all top end players in the top end, and the Leafs aren't lacking top end skill.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Yes, I think price would be steep.

Chychrun doesn't have to be a top defenseman, and Crouse just has to fill the 2nd. line hole.

You don't need to have all top end players in the top end, and the Leafs aren't lacking top end skill.

I'm fine with all of that but the price required to get them will be a top end price. Neither are worth what it would cost us in assets to aquire. If the price was equal to their on ice value then sure they would both be very good adds, but that is not the case.

 

[Nylanderthal]

The context there is wild lol

We traded nothing for Riley Nash. We gave up a 4th for Hutton and he did well. Matt Martin was an easy W. Leivo is nothing and the trade was to give him a chance elsewhere.

So I guess Dubas lost the Foligno, Marchment and Rittich deals.

Which is funny because the usual Dubas complainers were the ones who were most happy we got Foligno lol

Almost like every GM has bad trades.

This is probably the richest part of it all. The same people complaining about giving up so much for foligno and using it as an example of a bad trade for Dubas (which it is) we’re the same people saying he needed to get more grit and truculence in the line up and we’re wanting foligno over Hall.

 

[Griffin76]

Chychurn has had 1 good season worth talking about so far in his career, he's not worth what it would cost to aquire him. Crouse is having a career year being fed prime minutes every game. Neither are worth what we would have to give up to get them.

Absolutely horrible assessment of Chychrun and Crouse.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Absolutely horrible assessment of Chychrun and Crouse.

Show me your stats to prove otherwise. You can't because they don't exist. Neither player is worth their rumored packages, your uniformed opinion doesn't change that.

 

[Griffin76]

Show me your stats to prove otherwise. You can't because they don't exist. Neither player is worth their rumored packages, your uniformed opinion doesn't change that.

Are you another stats only guy or have you watched any of the Coyotes games this year?

 

[Dreakmur]

This is probably the richest part of it all. The same people complaining about giving up so much for foligno and using it as an example of a bad trade for Dubas (which it is) we’re the same people saying he needed to get more grit and truculence in the line up and we’re wanting foligno over Hall.

Dubas usually makes trades for good players, but he’s still struggling to actually build a cohesive and well rounded team.

Chemistry matters. Roles matter. Intangibles matter. Dubas needs to figure that part out.

 

[ULF_55]

Oh, I just want to add ... I have no interest in a rental. Dubas might, but it doesn't sound like it.

Mt. Bridges Crouse only makes 1.533. Could likely fit his next contract into the line-up.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Are you another stats only guy or have you watched any of the Coyotes games this year?

I've watched only 12 games this year. Crouse has been good most of the year and since January Chychurn has been better then earlier in the season. That still doesn't justify the cost for either. Chychurn isn't a d man you over pay for. Crouse though he's played well is being feed all the prime minutes in Arizona that he would not get here. The trade would be terrible for the leafs with Arizona rumored ask for both.

 

[Leaffan1991]

So Dubas essentially said they have one move to make and it's for a D.

 

[Griffin76]

I've watched only 12 games this year. Crouse has been good most of the year and since January Chychurn has been better then earlier in the season. That still doesn't justify the cost for either. Chychurn isn't a d man you over pay for. Crouse though he's played well is being feed all the prime minutes in Arizona that he would not get here. The trade would be terrible for the leafs with Arizona rumored ask for both.

The problem with your thinking though is the word rumored. You can't go by what's said around this forum. I was told on the main boards that it would cost four 1sts/equivalent prospects plus a young roster player and not taking back any cap for Chychrun. And that Crouse would be a first and a young roster player. And we know how every guy the Leafs look at has double the value in the media. Both absolutely ridiculous asks. I agree if the actual price is ludicrous then let someone else have them.