GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 PART IX

[Gabriel426]

Canucks fire sale. Curious, would you guys do this trade if offered:

Nylander
Kerfoot

for

JT Miller
Garland

How about JT for Miller and Demko?

 

[Acesup]

On one hand, it's tempting. On the other hand, dealing for Price is risky on many levels. He's getting older, he hasn't played all season, he has several years remaining on his contract, and the assets we would have to give up would come back to haunt us, with our biggest rival no less.

I'd rather give up less and take a flyer on a pending UFA like Fleury that has a similar pedigree.

Price is Coca Cola and Fleury is off brand Rc cola. If you're giving up assets might as well get the best one available. Price is still an elite goalie and him sitting out all year will only make him more fresh down the stretch and in playoffs. Sometimes to wi n it all you have to take a risk. We play it safe every year at the deadline and where does it get us? You have a chance to get a HOF'er like Price you do it. MAF is just as likely to pull a Andersson esque meltdown as he is to steal games.

Draft pics are overrated. Complete crapshoots outside of the lotto. Leafs can use international signings, sign undervalued players and pick up vets like Spezza for cheap to fill out roster. Pics are completely overrated and should be traded every year for rentals when you are a cup contender like the leafs.

 

[Menzinger]

Saw that Arizona doenst have a goalie signed for next season.

May have trouble inking free agents too with the fact they'll be playing in a college arena (and not even a particularly large one that). Mzarek could potentially be of interest

 

[Gabriel426]

On one hand, it's tempting. On the other hand, dealing for Price is risky on many levels. He's getting older, he hasn't played all season, he has several years remaining on his contract, and the assets we would have to give up would come back to haunt us, with our biggest rival no less.

I'd rather give up less and take a flyer on a pending UFA like Fleury that has a similar pedigree.

Wasn't Price on the expansion draft list?
I think the price for Price is actually lower than most think, considering he is injured and might not play another game till whenever.

 

[Acesup]

I just don’t get the Fleury hype. Is he really an upgrade. The only player who can compete with the epic Leafs collapses is Fleury. Starting from the world juniors to last year against the Habs. He has a 911 save percentage. He would get roasted here for having those numbers. Use those assets on a D or forward. Jack will turn it around soon enough.

Madness upon stupidity. You cannot trust Jack. We cannot waste another year of contention with the hope that Campbell will figure it out. Need a legit number one. I agree that it isn't Fleury though.

 

[Martin Skoula]

To be fair, Garland's main strength isn't just his tenacity. His skill level is multiple tiers above Hyman/Brown, the tenacity just compliments it.

Whether or not he can play like that when the whistles get swallowed is a different story, though. He gets abused enough as is in the regular season.

Yeah I get it, he's like a developed Robertson. The thing is those guys have to play that way or they don't make the NHL and cap out as AHL tweeners or Sam Gagner/Mason Raymond types if they have a standout skill.

 

[thusk]

Just be careful

How many of you wanted to seen marner out after last playoff or beggining of the season? How many of you want to see marner leaving now?

How many of you wanted to see nylander gone like 3 years ago vs how many right now.

How many wanted kerfoot being trade ladt season? How many was happy to get kerfoot on playoff

How many of you wanted to see holl left like a week ago? How many want to see holl leaving right now ?

Right now its campbell and muzzin. Good chance campbell find his game back and come back like the campbell we saw since hes in toronto. And if muzzin come back like the muzzin we saw last playoff.

Every player having up and down, thats hockey. Sometime you just trying to so too much but he reality you dont have to...start to overthinking unstead of playing instintively.

 

[SprDaVE]

Saw that Arizona doenst have a goalie signed for next season.

May have trouble inking free agents too with the fact they'll be playing in a college arena (and not even a particularly large one that). Mzarek could potentially be of interest

Yep. I don't think it'll be the last time we're trading with Arizona in the near future.

 

[MatthewNylander]

Arizona has Karel Vejmelka and have him really high in their list and he is a rfa, so they have him . Arizona only has 6 untouchables and he is one . I would give them a boatload for chychrun and Karel Vejmelka, if they take Mrasek in the deal . I would feel really comfortable with CAMPBELL and
Karel Vejmelka.

 

[tmlfan98]

I just don’t get the Fleury hype. Is he really an upgrade. The only player who can compete with the epic Leafs collapses is Fleury. Starting from the world juniors to last year against the Habs. He has a 911 save percentage. He would get roasted here for having those numbers. Use those assets on a D or forward. Jack will turn it around soon enough.

I agree in that I also don't get the Fleury hype, but disagree that assets do not need to be used on a goaltender. Campbell and Mrazek are both backups at best on a Stanley Cup contender. Looking beyond the raw numbers is necessary when evaluating goalie fits. Leafs need to look at a goalie that thrives in defensive systems similar to the Leafs (in regards to the amount of high danger shots allowed), guys like Georgiev/Holtby/Varlamov/Binnington.

 

[Burnie97]

 

[Avilaj07]

To Toronto-
JT Miller

To Vancouver-
1st Round Pick
Topi Niemela
Alex Kerfoot

Then,

To Toronto-
Giordano

To Seattle-
Dermott
2nd Round Pick

Bunting- Matthews- Marner
Miller- Tavares- Nylander
Mikheyev- Kampf- Engvall
Robertson- Spezza-Kase
Simmonds

Rielly-Brodie
Giordano-Liljegren
Sandin-Holl
Lyubushkin

 

[SprDaVE]

Even if Muzzin comes back, how much are we expecting to get out of him for any sort of playoff games.

I don't think the Leafs can rely on Liljegren playing top pairing minutes. He's struggled with his time there.

Even if you spread out the assignments with moving Brodie to the 2nd pair, there has to be a good supporting player in the top 4. Holl has had a good stretch of games, but we can't ignore more than 3/4 of the games played he has not played well.

It needs to be a forward and defenseman at the very least. It could be a trade that includes forwards with term and a defensive rental like Hagel & De Haan or Armia & Chiarot or Mayfield and Clutterbuck or Soucy and Jarnkrok.

Assuming Muzzin is back for the playoffs, I think the Leafs have a good enough top 8 defensive core. Muzzin is still capable. Can it be better? For sure. Most teams can say that.

So I can agree that ideally, you'd want to upgrade anything you can. The issue becomes that we don't have unlimited assets to give out for upgrades. I don't think the Leafs can upgrade and add a defenseman that will better than what they have without giving up too much. Liljegren has been really good and while he does have the odd bad game... will someone like Chiarot or De Haan give you better quality? Very doubtful.

It's much easier to add a legitimate upgrade upfront since there's a clear hole. Right now they have Robertson on the fourth line, Clifford waiting in the wings... but adding a legitimate forward, that could push depth down and make it a whole lot better. Plus, Leafs have gone super cold in scoring last couple playoff series... adding a legit forward that can score would be helpful.

 

[SprDaVE]

DeBrusk asked for his trade 4 months ago... sheesh. He really wants out eh. Not sure why Boston isn't giving him a fresh start somewhere.

Also, Fleury can stay in Chicago.

 

[mapleleafs34]

Just be careful

How many of you wanted to seen marner out after last playoff or beggining of the season? How many of you want to see marner leaving now?

How many of you wanted to see nylander gone like 3 years ago vs how many right now.

How many wanted kerfoot being trade ladt season? How many was happy to get kerfoot on playoff

How many of you wanted to see holl left like a week ago? How many want to see holl leaving right now ?

Right now its campbell and muzzin. Good chance campbell find his game back and come back like the campbell we saw since hes in toronto. And if muzzin come back like the muzzin we saw last playoff.

Every player having up and down, thats hockey. Sometime you just trying to so too much but he reality you dont have to...start to overthinking unstead of playing instintively.

This is Leafs Nation to a T. Doesn't surprise me anymore

 

[Devin]

Can we just make a big splash on deadline day for once like giroux

 

[McSnypsky]

Chicago has like 3 of the top 10 shot blockers on their team, plucking one of them might be good idea, blocking shots wins cups!

 

[Fogelhund]

I understand the way you guys are thinking but what if Muzzin decides after say the next 15 games sitting that he's fine? And then if he's not satisfied with the team doctor's prognosis?

Didn't I cover that already?

You literally quoted this...

They should be able to assess approximately when he can return, which if it's "close" to the playoffs, he won't be cleared until the playoffs are here. "Close" could be a matter of weeks....

Clearly this suggests that they'd do their assessment, and make decisions based on that. That would include a conclusion that he absolutely wouldn't be back in 15 games, and a discussion with him in advance.​

 

[Buds17]

Saw that Arizona doenst have a goalie signed for next season.

May have trouble inking free agents too with the fact they'll be playing in a college arena (and not even a particularly large one that). Mzarek could potentially be of interest

The hope might also have to be that the team interests the player as Mrazek does have some degree of trade protection in his contract.

 

[TML Dynasty]

I want a goalie upgrade as the rest of the team can be awesome when firing. But I don't see Fleury as that guy and don't see a solution anywhere else. Hoping Dubas pulls a rabbit out of his hate here though.

So assuming we dont upgrade the goalie....we really need to stop any and all shots lol. Go all out on D. Gio for sure as a muzz replacement seems to be a consensus good move, i dont watch him enough to form my own opinion. Id like to grab one more solid guy. Chychrun, while exciting, is too much of a gamble for this year. Get someone awesome.
Reilly, Brodie, Gio, _____, Lube with sandin/holl/lilj/dermott battling for Lube's partner. When Muzzin comes back he solidifies it even more.

 

[Griffin76]

Didn't I cover that already?

You literally quoted this...

Clearly this suggests that they'd do their assessment, and make decisions based on that. That would include a conclusion that he absolutely wouldn't be back in 15 games, and a discussion with him in advance.​

I guess my point is there are 9 games left before the deadline. If they decide to spend the LTIR of 5.6m or whatever it is at that time on someone else and he decides after 15 games from today that, he wants to and is ready to, play the final 14 games of the regular season, what can they do? They can't just hold him out. They can't fake it. They can't pay off a doctor to say he's not healthy enough and then magically he returns for game 1. If Muzzin wants to put up a big stink about this there could be serious consequences for the organization couldn't there?

 

[Fogelhund]

I guess my point is there are 9 games left before the deadline. If they decide to spend the LTIR of 5.6m or whatever it is at that time on someone else and he decides after 15 games from today that, he wants to and is ready to, play the final 14 games of the regular season, what can they do? They can't just hold him out. They can't fake it. They can't pay off a doctor to say he's not healthy enough and then magically he returns for game 1. If Muzzin wants to put up a big stink about this there could be serious consequences for the organization couldn't there?

I'm not sure if there is a disconnect, bad connection or what it is. I understand what your point is, but it's as if you haven't read what I've posted.

The Leafs would only make moves, after they've assessed that it's highly improbable, that Muzzin would be back in those 15 games. Dubas communicates well with players... so if Muzzin is likely out most of the rest of the season, he's going to say to Muzzin in advance, this is the deal...are you ok with that... so there is likely no scenario possible that you've suggested.

 

[Menzinger]

I guess my point is there are 9 games left before the deadline. If they decide to spend the LTIR of 5.6m or whatever it is at that time on someone else and he decides after 15 games from today that, he wants to and is ready to, play the final 14 games of the regular season, what can they do? They can't just hold him out. They can't fake it. They can't pay off a doctor to say he's not healthy enough and then magically he returns for game 1. If Muzzin wants to put up a big stink about this there could be serious consequences for the organization couldn't there?

While I'm not 100% on this, I don't think there's any mechanism that can force the Leafs to take a player off of ltir. It's an administrative category not a medical one. As long as the player was properly injured when placed on it, that's all that matters

 

[Griffin76]

I'm not sure if there is a disconnect, bad connection or what it is. I understand what your point is, but it's as if you haven't read what I've posted.

The Leafs would only make moves, after they've assessed that it's highly improbable, that Muzzin would be back in those 15 games. Dubas communicates well with players... so if Muzzin is likely out most of the rest of the season, he's going to say to Muzzin in advance, this is the deal...are you ok with that... so there is likely no scenario possible that you've suggested.

There's no disconnect. What worries me is Muzzin changing his mind a few games after the money is spent.

 

[Griffin76]

While I'm not 100% on this, I don't think there's any mechanism that can force the Leafs to take a player off of ltir. It's an administrative category not a medical one. As long as the player was properly injured when placed on it, that's all that matters

Maybe so. I have no idea. My worry is Muzzin changing his mind to agree to sit out after the money is spent. Can he file a grievance with the Players Association or something?