GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 PART IX

[LeafChief]

For a rental? My guess is a B+ prospect. An SDA/Abramov type.

If that's the cost and you can make the cap work you do it right away.

Everyone all bent out of shape because they don't like daddy need to relax.

 

[Kurtz]

On 590 this morning, ex-goalie, Steve Valiquette, believes that Campbell and Mrazek are fine.....backups. He's not sold on Campbell as a starter. Kevin Woodley said the same thing yesterday.

Valiquette, who works for the Rangers, believes that Georgiev has starter potential and that the Leafs should try and trade for him. He thinks the Rangers would want Campbell in return.

Just sharin'

You mean to tell me that the guy who works for the Rangers is hyping up a mediocre goalie who the Rangers have been trying to trade for 2 years?

 

[Stigma]

Georgiev has been terrible.

He played 2-3 really good games against the Leafs over the last 3 years and some Leafs fans (not saying you) think he is really good.

I know. He hasn't been good at all. That said, Valiquette still thinks he has starter potential. Not sure.

 

[Stigma]

You mean to tell me that the guy who works for the Rangers is hyping up a mediocre goalie who the Rangers have been trying to trade for 2 years?

Well, supposedly Valiquette is a Leafs fan though.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Lindholm or Miller are the only two rumoured players available I give a first for.

chychrun too

Chycrun because he's not a rental. He'd cost more than a first but I'd much rather do that than give up a 1st for a rental.

 

[SprDaVE]

I think I'm leaning towards just adding a forward by the deadline the more this team plays without Muzzin. I have flip flopped a lot recently but I think I'm locked in. Only way I can flip back to wanting a defenseman is if Muzzin is for sure out for the season and playoffs. I believe in Dermott and Sandin though.

Most people would know I'm not the biggest advocate of hits over skill but the team could probably use someone that plays heavy or at least can really play with intensity in top 6 minutes. Who can that be? Now that's a tough one. I think they do have a hole on the LW to add someone really really good either way.

 

[Avilaj07]

If Dubas is looking at trading our 1st this year, then the only deal I'm looking at is for either Chychrun or JT Miller. There's 0 way I'm trading our 1st again for a rental, I don't care how good they are. Both Chychrun and Miller are locked in for extra years, and either one would significantly improve our team.

 

[Magic Man]

If Dubas is looking at trading our 1st this year, then the only deal I'm looking at is for either Chychrun or JT Miller. There's 0 way I'm trading our 1st again for a rental, I don't care how good they are. Both Chychrun and Miller are locked in for extra years, and either one would significantly improve our team.

I would agree. I would also throw in Brandon Hagel as someone they could use the 1st on. He's locked in for 2 more years after this one at 1.5M. He's still 23 and an RFA at the end of the deal.

 

[DraftSchmaft]

Is our 1st rounder even appealing to rebuilding teams if it's their young core players being traded away? Our pick will be high 20s up to 32. That's not very attractive for young players with term. The "+" will have to be pretty significant from us.

Hopefully we get some asking price updates soon.

 

[Griffin76]

Is our 1st rounder even appealing to rebuilding teams if it's their young core players being traded away? Our pick will be high 20s up to 32. That's not very attractive for young players with term. The "+" will have to be pretty significant from us.

Hopefully we get some asking price updates soon.

I think if you're going after Chychrun then the 1st becomes the secondary piece to Sandin or Knies. Probably the same for Miller.

The 1st would be the main piece to a team selling a rental player like Lindholm, Manson, Giordano....

And probably a Holl or Dermott would go the other way too in either case.

 

[Jozay]

You mean to tell me that the guy who works for the Rangers is hyping up a mediocre goalie who the Rangers have been trying to trade for 2 years?

I dont think he works for the Ramgers, he just covers them.

 

[Nylanderthal]

At this point Muzzin has negative value so it's going to take a good pick, prospect or player to get rid of him. Lindholm is worth a lot even as a rental with a chance to extend him. Lindholm is worth at least a 1st as a rental.

Negative value like thicc nicc had? This is such an overstated issue around the league. Guys don’t become unreadable because of a less than ideal half season.
Not to mention muzz isn’t waiving for Anaheim unless he thinks he’s done done and ltir the remainder of his deal.

 

[Puckstuff]

Negative value like thicc nicc had? This is such an overstated issue around the league. Guys don’t become unreadable because of a less than ideal half season.

He can regain his market value with a strong string of games but it doesn’t change the fact in the moment with his health concerns we would be selling low and with those questions marks about his play and health at his cap hit and age he doesn’t have value at this present time. If you don’t want to sell low that’s another story.

 

[Nylanderthal]

He can regain his market value with a strong string of games but it doesn’t change the fact in the moment with his health concerns we would be selling low and with those questions marks about his play and health at his cap hit and age he doesn’t have value at this present time. If you don’t want to sell low that’s another story.

Selling low? Possible to probable. Having to attach assets to “dump”? Unlikely to improbable.

 

[LeafChief]

He can regain his market value with a strong string of games but it doesn’t change the fact in the moment with his health concerns we would be selling low and with those questions marks about his play and health at his cap hit and age he doesn’t have value at this present time. If you don’t want to sell low that’s another story.

Muzzin has negative value the same way Mark Stone does.

 

[jaric1862]

If Dubas is looking at trading our 1st this year, then the only deal I'm looking at is for either Chychrun or JT Miller. There's 0 way I'm trading our 1st again for a rental, I don't care how good they are. Both Chychrun and Miller are locked in for extra years, and either one would significantly improve our team.

Would you trade Holl/Dermott+ a 2nd/3rd for a rental though?

 

[Fogelhund]

I have flip flopped a lot recently.

I'm not intending to pick on you, or any poster in particular. This is the way though, with Leafs fans. We get hyper focused on short term bias events, losing sight, of the longer picture.

Campbell has mostly been an excellent goalie for us. Hopefully he returns to form, and we don't have to trade assets, to replace a guy, who at his best, is as good as anyone.

Holl... at times has been an excellent D man, backed by really good stats, who by the eye test, makes some big blunders.

Our D, has been pretty good at reducing dangerous shots, at keeping chances low... Of course we have a few bad games, and everyone forgets that.

For every team, there will be good, and bad moments. It's under a microscope here.

Personally, I think we could use more physicality, but otherwise have a pretty solid team.

 

[showtime8]

I think I'm leaning towards just adding a forward by the deadline the more this team plays without Muzzin. I have flip flopped a lot recently but I think I'm locked in. Only way I can flip back to wanting a defenseman is if Muzzin is for sure out for the season and playoffs. I believe in Dermott and Sandin though.

Most people would know I'm not the biggest advocate of hits over skill but the team could probably use someone that plays heavy or at least can really play with intensity in top 6 minutes. Who can that be? Now that's a tough one. I think they do have a hole on the LW to add someone really really good either way.

Even if Muzzin comes back, how much are we expecting to get out of him for any sort of playoff games.

I don't think the Leafs can rely on Liljegren playing top pairing minutes. He's struggled with his time there.

Even if you spread out the assignments with moving Brodie to the 2nd pair, there has to be a good supporting player in the top 4. Holl has had a good stretch of games, but we can't ignore more than 3/4 of the games played he has not played well.

It needs to be a forward and defenseman at the very least. It could be a trade that includes forwards with term and a defensive rental like Hagel & De Haan or Armia & Chiarot or Mayfield and Clutterbuck or Soucy and Jarnkrok.

 

[djdev]

His name sticks out like a sore thumb.
And how has Robertson shown what he does or doesn't have? Or Lyubushkin for that matter.

and kase, and kampf who have never even played a post season game for us. dude is smoking the good stuff lol

 

[TMLAM34]

To Toronto: Travis Dermott + Mikhail Abramov
To Columbus: Alexandre Texier + 6th Rounder


To Toronto: Luke Schenn
To Vancouver: CBJ 6th Rounder


The more I think about it, Texier would probably fit really nicely alongside Tavares and Nylander. Doesn’t break the bank in order to acquire him either.

 

[Judas Tavares]

I noticed 11 of our 12 regular forwards (so minus Simmons) have at least 8 goals on the season so far. That projects out to 12 on the season. I remember we were hoping for someone like Bunting to chip in 12-15 goals. Now, 11 of our forwards may do it, with half of them chipping in far more. Is this the norm and I am just overplaying it? I feel like there are many teams that have multiple forwards who can't reach 10 goals. Another forward who can score with some jam would be nice, but we are getting nice and even contributions.

 

[ACC1224]

To Toronto: Travis Dermott + Mikhail Abramov
To Columbus: Alexandre Texier + 6th Rounder


To Toronto: Luke Schenn
To Vancouver: CBJ 6th Rounder


The more I think about it, Texier would probably fit really nicely alongside Tavares and Nylander. Doesn’t break the bank in order to acquire him either.

If you're to believe Canuck fans that offer won't be anywhere close for Schenn.

 

[TMLAM34]

If you're to believe Canuck fans that offer won't be anywhere close for Schenn.

Then I wouldn’t want him. I wouldn’t pay anything higher than a 5th for a 7th dman.

 

[Magic Man]

I think it makes sense to shield Holl from trade at the deadline and to keep him as depth over keeping Dermott. I think Dermott is who should move to make room for the new defenseman addition.

In the event they can't re-sign the new defender and/or Lyubushkin or don't want to re-sign them, it would make sense to hang on to Holl, he can play in the top-4, has good size and his contract is movable in the off-season if need be for positive value. He would bring great depth in the playoffs, even if he is the #8 defenseman by that time.

 

[TMLAM34]

I think it makes sense to shield Holl from trade at the deadline and to keep him as depth over keeping Dermott. I think Dermott is who should move to make room for the new defenseman addition.

In the event they can't re-sign the new defender and/or Lyubushkin or don't want to re-sign them, it would make sense to hang on to Holl, he can play in the top-4, has good size and his contract is movable in the off-season if need be for positive value. He would bring great depth in the playoffs, even if he is the #8 defenseman by that time.

Hopefully they plan on re-signing Lyubushkin. He’s been fantastic on the third pair providing some much needed physicality and stability on the backend.