GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 PART III

[Nylanderthal]

That Hyman contract is not going to age well. As much as I like Hyman, I'd stay away.

Agreed. Overcommitting to middle of the line up at best pieces because they’re “heart and soul types” is what really cripples a cap situation, not a overpaying elite talent a few hundred grand.

 

[Dreakmur]

Agreed. Overcommitting to middle of the line up at best pieces because they’re “heart and soul types” is what really cripples a cap situation, not a overpaying elite talent a few hundred grand.

What if that elite talent doesn't get elite results when it matters?

 

[Nylanderthal]

What if that elite talent doesn't get elite results when it matters?

Then you readjust and try to find the right mix. What you don’t do is throw the baby out with the bath water.
The elite talent are/were 23/24 years old, you hope they continue to grow.
What exactly did mister heart and soul give them when it mattered most?

 

[Kiwi]

What if that elite talent doesn't get elite results when it matters?

Then you're screwed because it's highly unlikely the middle of the rung guys are going to win multiple playoff series for you

 

[Martin Skoula]

Then you readjust and try to find the right mix. What you don’t do is throw the baby out with the bath water.
The elite talent are/were 23/24 years old, you hope they continue to grow.
What exactly did mister heart and soul give them when it mattered most?

We won't win without Brown and Hyman and their combined 18 points in 52 playoff games.

 

[LeafSteel]

That Hyman contract is not going to age well. As much as I like Hyman, I'd stay away.

Edmonton is still in full blown honeymoon stage with Hyman.

They won’t give him up for anything at this point…..

Bunting is doing just fine. Spend the $ on a better RHD than Holl.

 

[Kiwi]

You would think they would have some interest in Dermott at least

WELLLLLL I wonder if they would they have interest in one Petr Mrazek, one Pierre Engvall and one Travis Dermott... we could send them all three needs for a 3rd and Zach Hyman with 15% retention

I liked Hyman but his time with us is over and I don't like his contract

I also like our 3rd line way more with Engvall, I'd keep him

 

[Voodoo Child]

Zach ‘Team Canada lock’ Hyman and Michael ‘unsustainable 26% shooter’ Bunting now have the same amount of points. Hyman will be 33 when he has two years left at 5.5, I doubt he’s going to be playing as well or as much.

I’m not as high on Robertson as many, and the injuries are a problem - groin, knee, fibula. He needs to get on the Sidney Crosby leg routine.

But he just turned 20 on 9/11, he’s just three weeks older than Amirov, who I’d need a real juicy piece to part with.

I’d give him up but I’d want a better player than Severson. At his best Severson is a right shooting Muzzin, his worst is Holl-level.

No to PK Subban, he can go build his brand elsewhere.

I said in the Chicago thread - I’d try to get Alex Nylander for a long shot prospect and a 5th.

Playing for a Chicago team after the good times are over and drafted by Buffalo where the good times never started, he’s still just 23 and you could probably keep him for 900k.

He’s not Willy but he skates and shoots like him, give him a year to put it together and if he does then great and if not, a 5th and a long shot prospect BFD.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

You would think they would have some interest in Dermott at least



I liked Hyman but his time with us is over and I don't like his contract

I also like our 3rd line way more with Engvall, I'd keep him

If Edmonton gave us Kris Russell and their 2nd round pick 2023 for Dermott, I'd consider it. Otherwise, pass.

Russell sucks at generating offense, and therefore gets buried in possession, but he does a fairly good job at making sure the puck doesn't go into his own net. Can play both sides, is a decent PKer, and only makes 1.25 mill for this year before becoming a UFA. Could be a solid #7 replacement for us.

Edmonton gets a guy with upside who can improve their defense on day 1. Fits their cap. Former McDavid teammate. Only really costs futures since Russell would be on the outside with Dermott in the mix anyways.

If Keefe is done with Dermott, this is an appropriate return for him.

 

[LeafChief]

Zach ‘Team Canada lock’ Hyman and Michael ‘unsustainable 26% shooter’ Bunting now have the same amount of points. Hyman will be 33 when he has two years left at 5.5, I doubt he’s going to be playing as well or as much.

I’m not as high on Robertson as many, and the injuries are a problem - groin, knee, fibula. He needs to get on the Sidney Crosby leg routine.

But he just turned 20 on 9/11, he’s just three weeks older than Amirov, who I’d need a real juicy piece to part with.

I’d give him up but I’d want a better player than Severson.

No to PK Subban, he can go build his brand elsewhere.

I said in the Chicago thread - I’d try to get Alex Nylander for a long shot prospect and a 5th.

Playing for a Chicago team after the good times are over and drafted by Buffalo where the good times never started, he’s still just 23 and you could probably keep him for 900k.

He’s not Willy but he skates and shoots like him, give him a tear to put it together and if he does then great and if not, a 5th and a long shot prospect BFD.

I agree about Nylander. I still think there's some untapped potential there and I'd love to see him work his way up from the Marlies. The chance to play with his brother may be the kick in the ass that he needs.

He was a PLAYER coming out of junior. High end skill.

I really like what we're doing with Ho-Sang but I think Alex Nylander would be an even more worthwhile project.

 

[hockeynorth]

You would think they would have some interest in Dermott at least



I liked Hyman but his time with us is over and I don't like his contract

I also like our 3rd line way more with Engvall, I'd keep him

it was a joke because it's impossible, but I would very gladly give up Engvall for Hyman

 

[Kiwi]

it was a joke because it's impossible, but I would very gladly give up Engvall for Hyman

I can make Engvall disappear, good luck doing that with Hyman in 3-4 years time

That contract lasts a lonnnng time

 

[meefer]

Oh I don’t think it’s perfect. But his family. Wife family (married his school teachers daughter) are all here. In the article he is quoted as saying he is r done.

his wife says that his dream is the cup and that’s all he wants (won’t re sign In seattle) they address him Being trade bait.

I get i t’s not perfect. But I think

Gio. Brodie.
Rielly Lilly
Muzz. Sandin could work.

If they could get a rd that would be ideal but dubas has always been about figuring it out. Babcock was the only one obsessed with Ld rd

If we're looking at a Seattle trade, I'd hope to pry Oleksiak as well. As a starting point, Muzz and Holl for Gio and Oleksiak, our addition to that would be substantial, but doable? A D corp of...

Rielly Oleksiak/Brodie
Gio Brodie/Oleksiak
Sandin Lily
Rubins Dermott
Next year losing the Gio contract and sign up Sandin and Lily to 2nd deals at fmv.

You'd have to get Seattle to retain on Gio, a cost, and Oleksiak would not be cheap. Is Ritchie, Robertson/Amirov, and our 2nd enough? Too much?

 

[SHANNYPLAN]

If we're looking at a Seattle trade, I'd hope to pry Oleksiak as well. As a starting point, Muzz and Holl for Gio and Oleksiak, our addition to that would be substantial, but doable? A D corp of...

Rielly Oleksiak/Brodie
Gio Brodie/Oleksiak
Sandin Lily
Rubins Dermott
Next year losing the Gio contract and sign up Sandin and Lily to 2nd deals at fmv.

You'd have to get Seattle to retain on Gio, a cost, and Oleksiak would not be cheap. Is Ritchie, Robertson/Amirov, and our 2nd enough? Too much?

No interest in moving Ritchie, hes really starting to come on.

 

[Rude Dog]

The Leafs wouldn't be getting him at a 7.5 million cap hit and he's far from damaged goods. He's literally coming off probably his best year. If you could get Kane at 1.75 million. You do it all day.

zero chance MLSE will bring a guy like Kane in for free. Good player not such a good person

 

[Fogelhund]

zero chance MLSE will bring a guy like Kane in for free. Good player not such a good person

..and yet we scouted the most recent game he played in.

It could be that they were just scouting other players, but there isn't much to be interested in either squad otherwise.

TheAHL.com | The American Hockey League

 

[SeaOfBlue]

..and yet we scouted the most recent game he played in.

It could be that they were just scouting other players, but there isn't much to be interested in either squad otherwise.

TheAHL.com | The American Hockey League

Scott Reedy, Will Lockwood, Joel Kellman, John Stevens, Madison Bowey, a number of other somewhat younger San Jose Barracuda's who could be of interest in a potential swap. We may be moving Pierre Engvall at some point, and Vancouver/San Jose could be two potential destinations.

And then add in San Jose is playing Dallas in the NHL. Two teams who could be selling. We could have been scouting them too and decided to catch the AHL game in the same building earlier in the day.

I don't think anyone really needs to scout Evander Kane.

 

[meefer]

No interest in moving Ritchie, hes really starting to come on.

included to get the retention number down.

 

[SprDaVE]

No interest in moving Ritchie, hes really starting to come on.

That 1 goal reaaaaaally made him untouchable.

 

[TMLAM34]

That 1 goal reaaaaaally made him untouchable.

It’s not the goal. He’s looked a lot better playing in the bottom six, where he should be. Given his style of play I’d want to keep him for at least the year and see how he finishes the season off and plays in the playoffs.

 

[SprDaVE]

It’s not the goal. He’s looked a lot better playing in the bottom six, where he should be. Given his style of play I’d want to keep him for at least the year and see how he finishes the season off and plays in the playoffs.

He's been fine. I wouldn't say he's been THAT good for the Leafs not to dump him out as soon as they can.

 

[dubplatepressure]

It’s not the goal. He’s looked a lot better playing in the bottom six, where he should be. Given his style of play I’d want to keep him for at least the year and see how he finishes the season off and plays in the playoffs.

Agreed. A player you need in the playoffs, without doubt.

 

[zeke]

Eh he's looked like a passable enforcer, maybe. But that's not worth $2.5m.

Simmonds has been significantly better.

 

[justashadowof]

No interest in moving Ritchie, hes really starting to come on.

I do expect him to contribute more later in the season but man he was irrelevant against the Hawks. Barely noticed him.

 

[stickty111]

Agreed. A player you need in the playoffs, without doubt.

I see people are still fooled into thinking Ritchie can play playoff hockey. He's been better but not so much better we shouldn't be looking to dump him.
What if we goes back to what he was earlier this season? A useless gritty forward who doesn't know what he's doing? I really hope Ritchie's cap hit doesn't prevent us from improving the roster.