GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 PART II

[VanW27]

I agree... but ... not many teams are gonna line up for a 2.5M 0 goal forward.

Added problem, unlike what's usually the case for Leafs signings, he's owed more in year 2 of his deal; 1.7 this year and 3.3 next season. Still owed like 4.5 million in real dollars.

Teams that do have cap space and are more worried about real dollars aren't going to want him either.

 

[4thline]

I agree... but ... not many teams are gonna line up for a 2.5M 0 goal forward.

Eh, I think our effectiveness in getting (relatively) high outputs out of our cheap players couple with higher expectations for this particular player has coloured our opinion on Ritchie.
Guys like Martin and Reaves have positive value league wide in that 1.5 -2.5 million dollar range, and that's without the offensive upside to ever disappoint lol.

The other thing to remember is that Ritchie is a career 10% shooter with 38 shots. His statline doesn't reflect his play. and a ~14 goal ~30 point heavy weight is a valuable thing.

 

[zeke]

Added problem, unlike what's usually the case for Leafs signings, he's owed more in year 2 of his deal; 1.7 this year and 3.3 next season. Still owed like 4.5 million in real dollars.

Teams that do have cap space and are more worried about real dollars aren't going to want him either.

maybe we could take back an LTIR salary that they're paying.

 

[SprDaVE]

Eh, I think our effectiveness in getting (relatively) high outputs out of our cheap players couple with higher expectations for this particular player has coloured our opinion on Ritchie.
Guys like Martin and Reaves have positive value league wide in that 1.5 -2.5 million dollar range, and that's without the offensive upside to ever disappoint lol.

The other thing to remember is that Ritchie is a career 10% shooter with 38 shots. His statline doesn't reflect his play. and a ~14 goal ~30 point heavy weight is a valuable thing.

I agree to a certain degree. All Im saying is that teams won't lineup for him. It wouldn't be impossible to trade him for some form of return, like you said, similar to how we dumped Martin.

Holl clearly has value though and perhaps that value can be worth better than dumping Ritchie.

 

[4thline]

I agree to a certain degree. All Im saying is that teams won't lineup for him. It wouldn't be impossible to trade him for some form of return, like you said, similar to how we dumped Martin.

Holl clearly has value though and perhaps that value can be worth better than dumping Ritchie.

I don't know, teams are apparently lining up for Debrusk, who is underproducing to the same degree, but has being doing so longer and doesn't have the heavyweight value add.

 

[4thline]

We need 7 dmen (at least) this year. Doesn't make sense to get rid of one of them. We will have a significant injury to a dman at some point. and probably more than just one.

Does if we can win on the margins (both cap and value).

Move Holl for a #5 return, 2m out
Get a 6-7 ~1m in

come out ahead 1m cap space + the difference in returns, kids play every game.

Quick search options, Kulak, Oesterle

 

[MarMarSab3]

Holl+Ritchie
to LA for
Moore+Walker

Walker out for season, on LTIR gives us 2.65 million cap savings

 

[SprDaVE]

I don't know, teams are apparently lining up for Debrusk, who is underproducing to the same degree, but has being doing so longer and doesn't have the heavyweight value add.

I don't know why DeBrusk is getting so much attention either to be honest because he's kinda meh but I'm sure teams can see the 27 goal scorer versus Ritchie who has never scored more than 15 goals... I don't know.

Either way, sounds like the Leafs really want to give Liljegren full time playing time and would rather not sit out Holl or Dermott for long periods of time. They'd rather have someone like Rubins or a league min player in that role.

 

[LeafChief]

The Avalanche used an emergency back-up last night. The Blues are using their mask painter as a back-up tonight and on Saturday because they're so tight up against the cap.

Remember when Sid Seixeiro and the smooth brains on HFBoards freaked out because the Leafs did this?

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

The Avalanche used an emergency back-up last night. The Blues are using their mask painter as a back-up on Saturday because they're so tight up against the cap.

Remember when Sid Seixeiro and the smooth brains on HFBoards freaked out because the Leafs did this?

was that the same night the Avs played with 17 skaters due to cap constraints and lost, and nobody cared?

 

[zeke]

The Avalanche used an emergency back-up last night. The Blues are using their mask painter as a back-up on Saturday because they're so tight up against the cap.

Remember when Sid Seixeiro and the smooth brains on HFBoards freaked out because the Leafs did this?

Except the Leafs did it by choice for a cap maneuver, while avs did it because they had no choice.

Not sure why the blues are doing jt but maybe they learned a trick from our young GM.

 

[The Podium]

Except the Leafs did it by choice for a cap maneuver, while avs did it because they had no choice.

Not sure why the blues are doing jt but maybe they learned a trick from our young GM.

I like that people are catching on that Dubas might actually be a good GM.

Took some time, but he’s winning the rest over.

 

[LeafChief]

I like that people are catching on the Dubas might actually be a good GM.

Took some time, but he’s winning the rest over.

See, you're confused.

If you say the Leafs have made a good move, you are called a 'Dubasite'. This is from the same people that make sexist comments about Hayley Wickenheiser this summer.

Geniuses.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

Holl+Ritchie
to LA for
Moore+Walker

Walker out for season, on LTIR gives us 2.65 million cap savings

You don't actually get the cap savings unless you're under the cap before placing the player on LTIR.

 

[MarMarSab3]

Which they would be, no?

 

[The Podium]

Which they would be, no?

LTIR only provides you enough money to replace the player your putting on LTIR. Technically, for all functional purposes of the cap, they get 0 benefit by taking on an LTIR player.

 

[MarMarSab3]

LTIR only provides you enough money to replace the player your putting on LTIR. Technically, for all functional purposes of the cap, they get 0 benefit by taking on an LTIR player.

Unless they choose to exceed it?

 

[Gary Nylund]

Does if we can win on the margins (both cap and value).

Move Holl for a #5 return, 2m out
Get a 6-7 ~1m in

come out ahead 1m cap space + the difference in returns, kids play every game.

Quick search options, Kulak, Oesterle

I can see the logic behind that, but my first thought is that I'd prefer to keep the #5 because injuries are inevitable and I would like to head into the playoffs with at least 7 top 6 Dmen (and preferably 7 top 5 Dmen ). I also am not a big fan of acquiring rentals and we look so good as it is now, if you told me we wouldn't make one single roster change this season, that would be fine with me.

See, you're confused.

If you say the Leafs have made a good move, you are called a 'Dubasite'. This is from the same people that make sexist comments about Hayley Wickenheiser this summer.

Geniuses.

The other side of the coin is that if you dare to criticize any move Dubas makes (and I do mean any move), you are called a hater. This is from the same people who will tell that you should try to enjoy the team and ask you why you'd prefer to have a team with no talent that doesn't make the playoffs.

Geniuses indeed!

 

[LeafChief]

I can see the logic behind that, but my first thought is that I'd prefer to keep the #5 because injuries are inevitable and I would like to head into the playoffs with at least 7 top 6 Dmen (and preferably 7 top 5 Dmen ). I also am not a big fan of acquiring rentals and we look so good as it is now, if you told me we wouldn't make one single roster change this season, that would be fine with me.



The other side of the coin is that if you dare to criticize any move Dubas makes (and I do mean any move), you are called a hater. This is from the same people who will tell that you should try to enjoy the team and ask you why you'd prefer to have a team with no talent that doesn't make the playoffs.

Geniuses indeed!

Agreed. Both groups are easily as stupid!

 

[The Podium]

Unless they choose to exceed it?

There’s no exceeding it. The amount by which you can exceed it is the cap hit of the player you placed in LTIR, inclusive of those players.

Eg. Player A makes 2 mill and is placed on LTIR, the team can exceed the cap by 2 mill however it includes the 2 mill of the player placed on LTIR.

You also cannot exceed the cap before the player is on LTIR. So the Leafs acquiring player A would need to be 2 mill below the salary cap, player A would bring them to the ceiling, then they place player A on LTIR and gain that same 2 mill.

 

[Knies iT]

Interesting that Lebrun speculates Chiarot fetching a 1st at minimum due to the lack of rental D available on the market.

Have to think that drives up the price of Holl. RHD with an added year of term.

 

[Folignos Helmet]

Interesting that Lebrun speculates Chiarot fetching a 1st at minimum due to the lack of rental D available on the market.

Have to think that drives up the price of Holl. RHD with an added year of term.

David Savard got a first+ last year so not far fetched but Lebrun is on his knees at the alter of the Habs and pumps their tires whenever given the opportunity.

 

[Menzinger]

If Holl could return a nice return (ie a 1st or 2nd +) could be tempting. But they'd have to be near certain that one of the Marlies guys is 100% ready to step up to be the #7

 

[The Podium]

If Holl could return a nice return (ie a 1st or 2nd +) could be tempting. But they'd have to be near certain that one of the Marlies guys is 100% ready to step up to be the #7

For a 1st I’d easily pull the trigger, but you just know the Leafs lose a D to injury the very next game

 

[MarMarSab3]

There’s no exceeding it. The amount by which you can exceed it is the cap hit of the player you placed in LTIR, inclusive of those players.

Eg. Player A makes 2 mill and is placed on LTIR, the team can exceed the cap by 2 mill however it includes the 2 mill of the player placed on LTIR.

You also cannot exceed the cap before the player is on LTIR. So the Leafs acquiring player A would need to be 2 mill below the salary cap, player A would bring them to the ceiling, then they place player A on LTIR and gain that same 2 mill.

So Moore 1.875 and Walker 2.65
For
Ritchie 2.5 and Holl 2.0

Difference of 25k, trade would still keep the Leafs under the cap with the ability to then put Walker in LTIR to either trade for a player of similar salary ? Or am I out to lunch