Speculation: Trade and Free Agency Talk - 2022-23 Edition - Postseason Success can't be a Myth!

[TaLoN]

It's just absolutely horrendous timing.

We'd actually have a decent excuse to "tank" (the buyouts) and the 3 years that we would be tanking apparently has some phenomenal talent at the top of the draft (Bedard, Michkov, Eiserman, Hagens). But just our f***ing luck that those 3 years also happen to coincide with the most talented player in franchise history's prime.

You really couldn't draw it up any worse if you tried.

At this point, you're tanking to hope you get a player of Kap's caliber... we already have that player, which is really why we can't tank.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

At this point, you're tanking to hope you get a player of Kap's caliber... we already have that player, which is really why we can't tank.

And we also can't properly attempt to surround him with a full caliber NHL team, which sucks.

The idea around "tanking" is that you maybe pick up 2 Kaprizov's. Or 2.5 or 3.

I agree that they're not going to actively do it, but I'm not crossing off the possibility of it happening organically.

 

[MK9]

And we also can't properly attempt to surround him with a full caliber NHL team, which sucks.

The idea around "tanking" is that you maybe pick up 2 Kaprizov's. Or 2.5 or 3.

I agree that they're not going to actively do it, but I'm not crossing off the possibility of it happening organically.

Does have the feel of trending that direction.

 

[Digitalbooya]

And we also can't properly attempt to surround him with a full caliber NHL team, which sucks.

The idea around "tanking" is that you maybe pick up 2 Kaprizov's. Or 2.5 or 3.

I agree that they're not going to actively do it, but I'm not crossing off the possibility of it happening organically.

My idea of tanking would be to finally get a top line center or two for once.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Does have the feel of trending that direction.

Yeah, I think people tend to forget that other teams get better, their young players get a year older and better, and with our salary constraints, we have less of an ability to keep up.

I think I said before the season, just one of the factors that needed to go in our favor to just tread water was Boldy basically becoming Fiala, and Rossi taking Boldy's place. I don't think either of those things are happening (especially the second one). This isn't to be down on Boldy or anything, as he hasn't even played a full season's worth of games yet.

And this was just 1 out of 4 or 5 that needed to go our way.

The Kap/Zucc chemistry staying strong was another. Hartman/Foligno staying in form was another. Goaltending holding up another (seems to be ok at the moment).

Playing with a $14 million handicap is really freaking tough with all of the talent that is in the league right now.

My idea of tanking would be to finally get a top line center or two for once.

Right, but it's hard to just do it once and pop right back up to the playoffs, is my point.

Most realistic talk of "tanking" or "rebuilding" is with the understanding that it's probably a multi-year process.

You're not just looking for McDavid, you're looking for McDavid + Draisaitl + X.
You're not just looking for MacKinnon, you're looking for MacKinnon + Makar + Rantanen.
Etc...

 

[AKL]

Right, but it's hard to just do it once and pop right back up to the playoffs, is my point.

Most realistic talk of "tanking" or "rebuilding" is with the understanding that it's probably a multi-year process.

You're not just looking for McDavid, you're looking for McDavid + Draisaitl + X.
You're not just looking for MacKinnon, you're looking for MacKinnon + Makar + Rantanen.
Etc...

Kaprizov and Boldy are already on the roster. If we happened to luck into a Bedard or Fantilli and they happened to work out how they're expected to, I could picture a pretty quick "rebuild".

 

[AKL]

If Guerin isn't interested in bringing in actual talent to help this team win, he needs to be selling guys like Dumba, Zuccarello, Foligno (get the Hagel treatment). He already indicated by moving Fiala for futures that he isn't interested in "f***ing winning", don't half ass it.

 

[keppel146]

If Guerin isn't interesting in bringing in actual talent to help this team win, he needs to be selling guys like Dumba, Zuccarello, Foligno (get the Hagel treatment). He already indicated by moving Fiala for futures that he isn't interested in "f***ing winning", don't half ass it.

I feel like I’ve been at this stage for a while

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

Yeah, I think people tend to forget that other teams get better, their young players get a year older and better, and with our salary constraints, we have less of an ability to keep up.

I think I said before the season, just one of the factors that needed to go in our favor to just tread water was Boldy basically becoming Fiala, and Rossi taking Boldy's place. I don't think either of those things are happening (especially the second one). This isn't to be down on Boldy or anything, as he hasn't even played a full season's worth of games yet.

And this was just 1 out of 4 or 5 that needed to go our way.

The Kap/Zucc chemistry staying strong was another. Hartman/Foligno staying in form was another. Goaltending holding up another (seems to be ok at the moment).

Playing with a $14 million handicap is really freaking tough with all of the talent that is in the league right now.


Right, but it's hard to just do it once and pop right back up to the playoffs, is my point.

Most realistic talk of "tanking" or "rebuilding" is with the understanding that it's probably a multi-year process.

You're not just looking for McDavid, you're looking for McDavid + Draisaitl + X.
You're not just looking for MacKinnon, you're looking for MacKinnon + Makar + Rantanen.
Etc...

That’s not to mention we’re seeing visible regression from a lot of players who were key contributors to a solid team while other teams have young players elevating their team. Foligno / Guadreau / Ek / Hartman we’re probably never going to repeat career years, but the regression of Spurgeon, Brodin and especially Dumba has really hurt this team. We used to have offense driven from the backend. Last year the backend at least complemented the offense. Now there’s virtually no offense coming from the blue line. If goaltending falls of and offense doesn’t pickup this will get ugly

 

[Minnewildsota]

That’s not to mention we’re seeing visible regression from a lot of players who were key contributors to a solid team while other teams have young players elevating their team. Foligno / Guadreau / Ek / Hartman we’re probably never going to repeat career years, but the regression of Spurgeon, Brodin and especially Dumba has really hurt this team. We used to have offense driven from the backend. Last year the backend at least complemented the offense. Now there’s virtually no offense coming from the blue line. If goaltending falls of and offense doesn’t pickup this will get ugly

Eh, just means a higher draft pick.
Higher draft pick means a better chance at a #1 center. I heard we need one. I would have thought people would be ecstatic at the thought of this idea.

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

Eh, just means a higher draft pick.
Higher draft pick means a better chance at a #1 center. I heard we need one. I would have thought people would be ecstatic at the thought of this idea.

I never said things getting ugly is a bad thing. In fact, I think it would be the most enjoyable outcome for me, personally. I’ve long wanted a full-blown, multi-year rebuild. We already have a lot of good pieces to build around, but let’s take 2/3 years and make sure we get the last couple hard pieces. Namely, a true 1D and 1C of the future.

 

[Minnewildsota]

I never said things getting ugly is a bad thing. In fact, I think it would be the most enjoyable outcome for me, personally. I’ve long wanted a full-blown, multi-year rebuild. We already have a lot of good pieces to build around, but let’s take 2/3 years and make sure we get the last couple hard pieces. Namely, a true 1D and 1C of the future.

Sorry, while responding to you, my post wasn't directed towards you. I should have made that clear.

 

[AKL]

I never said things getting ugly is a bad thing. In fact, I think it would be the most enjoyable outcome for me, personally. I’ve long wanted a full-blown, multi-year rebuild. We already have a lot of good pieces to build around, but let’s take 2/3 years and make sure we get the last couple hard pieces. Namely, a true 1D and 1C of the future.

I'm still not holding my breath for a high pick, I think we'll manage to squeeze ourself into the 10-15 range again. But god it would be so refreshing to have a top 5 pick and grab a potential franchise center.

I don't know about our likelihood to get the 1D, I'm still holding on to hope that Lambos can be close enough that our D by committee approach is good enough.

 

[Minnewildsota]

I'm still not holding my breath for a high pick, I think we'll manage to squeeze ourself into the 10-15 range again. But god it would be so refreshing to have a top 5 pick and grab a potential franchise center.

I don't know about our likelihood to get the 1D, I'm still holding on to hope that Lambos can be close enough that our D by committee approach is good enough.

We COULD always win the lottery. I wouldn't hold my breath on that either.

Though I do wonder if we need a 1D IF we have, let's say, three 2D. Strength in numbers?

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

I'm still not holding my breath for a high pick, I think we'll manage to squeeze ourself into the 10-15 range again. But god it would be so refreshing to have a top 5 pick and grab a potential franchise center.

I don't know about our likelihood to get the 1D, I'm still holding on to hope that Lambos can be close enough that our D by committee approach is good enough.

I would put us in the 8-15 range of teams rn. But when the snowball starts to roll anything can happen.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Eh, just means a higher draft pick.
Higher draft pick means a better chance at a #1 center. I heard we need one. I would have thought people would be ecstatic at the thought of this idea.

Just probably going to be a bit awkward if he's selling Leipold on contending through these years, but I guess that's not really different than any other GM selling a direction to any owner.

It's all about what's actually being said behind the scenes.

 

[Minnewildsota]

Just probably going to be a bit awkward if he's selling Leipold on contending through these years, but I guess that's not really different than any other GM selling a direction to any owner.

It's all about what's actually being said behind the scenes.

Agreed.

Personally, I think BG is giving lip service to the fans saying the Wild will be competitive for the next X years. I don't think it's a good idea, for numerous reasons, to state otherwise.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Agreed.

Personally, I think BG is giving lip service to the fans saying the Wild will be competitive for the next X years. I don't think it's a good idea, for numerous reasons, to state otherwise.

The thing that has me doubting this is Fleury coming back.

 

[57special]

That’s not to mention we’re seeing visible regression from a lot of players who were key contributors to a solid team while other teams have young players elevating their team. Foligno / Guadreau / Ek / Hartman we’re probably never going to repeat career years, but the regression of Spurgeon, Brodin and especially Dumba has really hurt this team. We used to have offense driven from the backend. Last year the backend at least complemented the offense. Now there’s virtually no offense coming from the blue line. If goaltending falls of and offense doesn’t pickup this will get ugly

I don't think it's any accident that as our defense has tightened up, the offensive contributions from the back end have lessened. Pick your poison

 

[BagHead]

Agreed.

Personally, I think BG is giving lip service to the fans saying the Wild will be competitive for the next X years. I don't think it's a good idea, for numerous reasons, to state otherwise.

I come from the school of "Under-promise, over-deliver". It would be something to see an NHL GM actually do that. I'd actually end up trusting them and their vision a lot more.

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

I don't think it's any accident that as our defense has tightened up, the offensive contributions from the back end have lessened. Pick your poison

I want the other poison back

 

[Digitalbooya]

Maybe Guerin’s plan is to have big money to spend in the summer of 2024 with these players available:
-Matthews
-Nylander
-Aho
-Reinhart

And then they get an addition $14.7M for 2025:
-Draisaitl
-Rantanen
-Marner

This is on top of having what we hope is a loaded prospect pool coming into it’s own.

 

[chchelseII]

Maybe Guerin’s plan is to have big money to spend in the summer of 2024 with these players available:
-Matthews
-Nylander
-Aho
-Reinhart

And then they get an addition $14.7M for 2025:
-Draisaitl
-Rantanen
-Marner

This is on top of having what we hope is a loaded prospect pool coming into it’s own.

I know these guys have a ton of offensive talent, but are they good locker room guys? We’re trying to build a team that looks good in the locker room, not on the ice.

 

[Dickie Dunn]

I want the other poison back

If they're going to mostly suck, at least be watchable.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Think we can con someone into giving a conditional 1st for Dumba @ 50%?