Speculation: Trade and Free Agency Talk - 2022-23 Edition - Postseason Success can't be a Myth!

[Wasted Talent]

NYI put Bellows on waivers today. I'm not a fan of his, but I wouldn't mind if MN picked him up. Just for something different than the 5'10" trio of Dewar, Jost, and Steel.

Is he not just another Jost/Steel-type reclamation project?

 

[AKL]

Is he not just another Jost/Steel-type reclamation project?

But he's 6'1

 

[Wabit]

Is he not just another Jost/Steel-type reclamation project?

He's bigger and plays a heavier game. Better fit than Jost or Steel for the 4th line,

 

[Webster]

How about this MIN-NYR trade...

A Rangers fan suggests: Lafreniere and Reaves (capdump) for Zucc at 50%.

This is doable.
Lafreniere is a young promising winger, and Reaves has that physical presence the Wild need.

 

[57special]

How about this MIN-NYR trade...

A Rangers fan suggests: Lafreniere and Reaves (capdump) for Zucc at 50%.

This is doable.
Lafreniere is a young promising winger, and Reaves has that physical presence the Wild need.

Reaves is a side issue- I would insist on sending back Jost, or Steel if he is included, because we'd just have too any forwards.

As for the Laf for Zucc? I would do it in a heartbeat, not because Zucc hasn't been great, but because there is 15 years between the two of them, and, IMO, Boldy could step into Zucc's spot without missing a beat. Laf has been a disappointment so far, but his age fits out timeline far more than Zucc's. It sounds crazy to me that NYR would be willing to do it, but if they feel that this is the year that they can make a run(or two), then it might be worth it for them. He has proven that he likes playing in NY, and I think that he Panarin could have a lot of the magic that he and Kap have.

So, as crazy as it sounds, this deal might actually work for both teams.

 

[Webster]

Reaves is a side issue- I would insist on sending back Jost, or Steel if he is included, because we'd just have too any forwards.

As for the Laf for Zucc? I would do it in a heartbeat, not because Zucc hasn't been great, but because there is 15 years between the two of them, and, IMO, Boldy could step into Zucc's spot without missing a beat. Laf has been a disappointment so far, but his age fits out timeline far more than Zucc's. It sounds crazy to me that NYR would be willing to do it, but if they feel that this is the year that they can make a run(or two), then it might be worth it for them. He has proven that he likes playing in NY, and I think that he Panarin could have a lot of the magic that he and Kap have.

So, as crazy as it sounds, this deal might actually work for both teams.

Yes, get it done. Zucc would probably like to go back to the Rangers, and it looks like they need some help. I'm not sure how Kaprizov would react, but he should have fun playing with Boldy.

 

[DeagleJenkins]

I saw dumba to the leafs floated around, at 50% retention what’s the ask from Toronto?

 

[Wabit]

I saw dumba to the leafs floated around, at 50% retention what’s the ask from Toronto?

There is nothing I want from TOR that MN can afford capwise.

 

[57special]

I saw dumba to the leafs floated around, at 50% retention what’s the ask from Toronto?

2023 1st at a minimum. Would hurt us this year, for sure, but would be yet another investment in the future. I suspect that the TML pick would be in the mid 20's, so it's not like we are going to get a blue chipper unless we get very lucky. I don't see us wanting another bottom six forward of Dman of the type that TOR is likely to offer.

They would probably want to send us back a smallish cap dump, which I'd be fine with if it was only for this year.

This kind of deal works best around the TDL financially speaking.

 

[AKL]

So something around

Dumba (retention to make it work)

for

Holl
2023 1st

I don't know if Toronto is willing to pay a 1st for Dumba. I wouldn't, as it stands. But in theory they get an upgrade on Holl for a playoff run.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

So something around

Dumba (retention to make it work)

for

Holl
2023 1st

I don't know if Toronto is willing to pay a 1st for Dumba. I wouldn't, as it stands. But in theory they get an upgrade on Holl for a playoff run.

I'd do it.

I'd do it if we needed to add a 2nd.

 

[Spurgeon]

Russo sounds pretty confident that Dumba is being traded regardless of the team’s position this year. Thinks Faber is going to be signed and play immediately out of college.

Next season:

Kap - Hart - Zucc
X - Rossi - X
GREEF
Dewar - X - X

Brodin - X
Middleton - Spurgeon
Goli - Merrill

Fleury
Wall

With the cap potentially going up $4M, they have $18.4M to fill in those X’s.

RFA: Boldy, Addison, Faber, Duhaime, Shaw, Jost, Steel

UFA: Gaudreau, Dumba

Seems like the Wild have a lot of extra cap to work with. Russo said they’re waiting to see what the cap is going to be before they decide on a Boldy extension, but sounds like they’ll go long-term if the cap does go up $4M. Assuming him on a long-term deal + Faber’s ELC are roughly $8.4M, then they’ve got $10M to sign Addison and 3 forward spots. Meaning they could target a $5-6M player either through trade or FA if that’s the case.

 

[Minnewildsota]

Russo sounds pretty confident that Dumba is being traded regardless of the team’s position this year. Thinks Faber is going to be signed and play immediately out of college.

Next season:

Kap - Hart - Zucc
X - Rossi - X
GREEF
Dewar - X - X

Brodin - X
Middleton - Spurgeon
Goli - Merrill

Fleury
Wall

With the cap potentially going up $4M, they have $18.4M to fill in those X’s.

RFA: Boldy, Addison, Faber, Duhaime, Shaw, Jost, Steel

UFA: Gaudreau, Dumba

Seems like the Wild have a lot of extra cap to work with. Russo said they’re waiting to see what the cap is going to be before they decide on a Boldy extension, but sounds like they’ll go long-term if the cap does go up $4M. Assuming him on a long-term deal + Faber’s ELC are roughly $8.4M, then they’ve got $10M to sign Addison and 3 forward spots. Meaning they could target a $5-6M player either through trade or FA if that’s the case.

I like this. I like this a lot.

 

[BagHead]

Russo sounds pretty confident that Dumba is being traded regardless of the team’s position this year. Thinks Faber is going to be signed and play immediately out of college.

Next season:

Kap - Hart - Zucc
X - Rossi - X
GREEF
Dewar - X - X

Brodin - X
Middleton - Spurgeon
Goli - Merrill

Fleury
Wall

With the cap potentially going up $4M, they have $18.4M to fill in those X’s.

RFA: Boldy, Addison, Faber, Duhaime, Shaw, Jost, Steel

UFA: Gaudreau, Dumba

Seems like the Wild have a lot of extra cap to work with. Russo said they’re waiting to see what the cap is going to be before they decide on a Boldy extension, but sounds like they’ll go long-term if the cap does go up $4M. Assuming him on a long-term deal + Faber’s ELC are roughly $8.4M, then they’ve got $10M to sign Addison and 3 forward spots. Meaning they could target a $5-6M player either through trade or FA if that’s the case.

So, realistically it'll look like this?

Kap - Hartman - Zuccarello
X - Rossi - Boldy
GREEF
Duhaime - Dewar - Shaw

Brodin - Addison
Middleton - Spurgeon
Merrill - Faber

Fleury
Wallstedt

I think that would leave them with roughly $3-4 million (my very quick guess at cap hits for the RFA's gave us 3.4) to either re-sign Freddy or find a 2nd liner to replace him. At that price they'd almost have to be bargain bin if they're a UFA, especially since you still need some cap space as wiggle room for eventual injuries and scratches, if not transactions. Who knows what lineup shakeups happen between now and then, though. This could look totally different by the TDL.

 

[Spurgeon]

So, realistically it'll look like this?

Kap - Hartman - Zuccarello
X - Rossi - Boldy
GREEF
Duhaime - Dewar - Shaw

Brodin - Addison
Middleton - Spurgeon
Merrill - Faber

Fleury
Wallstedt

I think that would leave them with roughly $3-4 million (my very quick guess at cap hits for the RFA's gave us 3.4) to either re-sign Freddy or find a 2nd liner to replace him. At that price they'd almost have to be bargain bin if they're a UFA, especially since you still need some cap space as wiggle room for eventual injuries and scratches, if not transactions. Who knows what lineup shakeups happen between now and then, though. This could look totally different by the TDL.

Be curious what your RFA numbers are to get to that. Maybe I’m miscalculating somewhere.

Boldy - 7 years, $55M (7.85M AAV)
Faber - $925K
Addison - $2M
Shaw - $800K
Duhaime - $1M

$5.8M left

I like this. I like this a lot.

Just not sure who they can realistically get at that price range that would be impactful and not an overpay. Nice to have the cap for a long-term Boldy extension though.

 

[TaLoN]

Be curious what your RFA numbers are to get to that. Maybe I’m miscalculating somewhere.

Boldy - 7 years, $55M (7.85M AAV)
Faber - $925K
Addison - $2M
Shaw - $800K
Duhaime - $1M

$5.8M left


Just not sure who they can realistically get at that price range that would be impactful and not an overpay. Nice to have the cap for a long-term Boldy extension though.

Sign Boldy for 8 years

 

[BagHead]

Be curious what your RFA numbers are to get to that. Maybe I’m miscalculating somewhere.

Boldy - 7 years, $55M (7.85M AAV)
Faber - $925K
Addison - $2M
Shaw - $800K
Duhaime - $1M

$5.8M left


Just not sure who they can realistically get at that price range that would be impactful and not an overpay. Nice to have the cap for a long-term Boldy extension though.

I just did a very quick and dirty calculation. I had Boldy at $8M, Addison at 4 and the rest at 1. It's too early to know an exact number, so I just tried to make a very rough estimate, and I purposely erred toward having higher cap hits. That way I don't start thinking we can sign a Burakovsky level player and later end up disappointed to find out we're actually looking more at a Domi or an Athanasiou.

 

[DeagleJenkins]

2023 1st at a minimum. Would hurt us this year, for sure, but would be yet another investment in the future. I suspect that the TML pick would be in the mid 20's, so it's not like we are going to get a blue chipper unless we get very lucky. I don't see us wanting another bottom six forward of Dman of the type that TOR is likely to offer.

They would probably want to send us back a smallish cap dump, which I'd be fine with if it was only for this year.

This kind of deal works best around the TDL financially speaking.

I’d be happy getting a pick and one year cap dump for him. A late 1st is still a 1st and better than nothing as long as this pushes our 1st up higher also.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Be curious what your RFA numbers are to get to that. Maybe I’m miscalculating somewhere.

Boldy - 7 years, $55M (7.85M AAV)
Faber - $925K
Addison - $2M
Shaw - $800K
Duhaime - $1M

$5.8M left


Just not sure who they can realistically get at that price range that would be impactful and not an overpay. Nice to have the cap for a long-term Boldy extension though.

If Addison is on PP1 all year, I’m not sure $2M is feasible. I’ll have to go look for some comps.

 

[Spurgeon]

If Addison is on PP1 all year, I’m not sure $2M is feasible. I’ll have to go look for some comps.

I just can’t see a rookie defenseman with one NHL season getting a huge contract. 2 year bridge between 2-2.5 seems reasonable to me. Unless Addison miraculously ends up finishing with 65+ points somehow, then obviously that number is out the window.

I just did a very quick and dirty calculation. I had Boldy at $8M, Addison at 4 and the rest at 1. It's too early to know an exact number, so I just tried to make a very rough estimate, and I purposely erred toward having higher cap hits. That way I don't start thinking we can sign a Burakovsky level player and later end up disappointed to find out we're actually looking more at a Domi or an Athanasiou.

Yeah I don’t know if Addison at $4M is happening. Just seems like a significant contract for a first year rookie, unless you’re committing to him long-term. Even then I’d still be hesitant. Kind of have to wait and see how the rest of the season shakes out with him to better gauge his estimates because it definitely is a wide range.

 

[BagHead]

I just can’t see a rookie defenseman with one NHL season getting a huge contract. 2 year bridge between 2-2.5 seems reasonable to me. Unless Addison miraculously ends up finishing with 65+ points somehow, then obviously that number is out the window.


Yeah I don’t know if Addison at $4M is happening. Just seems like a significant contract for a first year rookie, unless you’re committing to him long-term. Even then I’d still be hesitant. Kind of have to wait and see how the rest of the season shakes out with him to better gauge his estimates because it definitely is a wide range.

I mean, he's at 7 points in 7 games right now. I don't think that means he's going to stay at point-per-game pace but, if he puts up serious point totals (50+), he's going to get paid some real money. I could see him going as high as $5M, or as low as $2M, depending on how his season turns out.

 

[AKL]

I mean, he's at 7 points in 7 games right now. I don't think that means he's going to stay at point-per-game pace but, if he puts up serious point totals (50+), he's going to get paid some real money. I could see him going as high as $5M, or as low as $2M, depending on how his season turns out.

I'm less sure about just giving Addison a long term contract to keep the long term AAV down than I am with Boldy, but maybe a 4-5 year, 4-5M contract would be good if he's willing. Not sure we'd be able to afford him on a long term contract after multiple seasons of 50-60+ points.

 

[Spurgeon]

I mean, he's at 7 points in 7 games right now. I don't think that means he's going to stay at point-per-game pace but, if he puts up serious point totals (50+), he's going to get paid some real money. I could see him going as high as $5M, or as low as $2M, depending on how his season turns out.

Yeah I just don’t see the PP maintaining their pace though. Think he’s gonna cool down and probably finish with something like 35-40 points, which is a great rookie season. But Dumba had 2 years of experience and his first bridge deal was only for 2 years @ $2.5M AAV (3.5% of cap). That would put Addison right around $3M.

I'm less sure about just giving Addison a long term contract to keep the long term AAV down than I am with Boldy, but maybe a 4-5 year, 4-5M contract would be good if he's willing. Not sure we'd be able to afford him on a long term contract after multiple seasons of 50-60+ points.

I think you can lock him into a 7-8 year deal if you’re offering $5M honestly. Bet on yourself all you want, but if I’m a 23 year old 2nd round pick, I’m taking the guaranteed $40M and still leaving the door open for a big UFA contract at 30.

 

[DeagleJenkins]

What if we go after Petterson instead if the nucks keep losing? He only had one more year left and has been rumored to be unhappy with not playing for a winning team. It would cost a premium I’m sure but he would be worth it if indeed they continue to lose and he becomes clearly unhappy and wanting out.

 

[Wabit]

What if we go after Petterson instead if the nucks keep losing? He only had one more year left and has been rumored to be unhappy with not playing for a winning team. It would cost a premium I’m sure but he would be worth it if indeed they continue to lose and he becomes clearly unhappy and wanting out.

EP will be due a $10.5m QO and MN will still have $15m of dead cap on the books.