Speculation: Trade and Free Agency Talk - 2022-23 Edition - Postseason Success can't be a Myth!

[Obvious Fabertism]

It was also ELC and full career of Leddy vs a Burns at full UFA age and price. Burns obviously the superior offensive player but dollar value per year has to skew Leddy. Fully punting a first round pick 6 months after picking him and watching him have a wildly successful career is devastating.

 

[ThatGuy22]

Burns was just at a different level, if you take away his best 5 seasons he is still kind of better than Leddy.

That trade is kind of ugly now but Burns didn't really blow up until 4-5 years after moving out west, just a late late bloomer.

Burns doesn't become Burns in MN.

It was that year playing Wing with Thornton that caused his offense to explode, and that confidence translated when he went back to D.

 

[TaLoN]

Burns doesn't become Burns in MN.

It was that year playing Wing with Thornton that caused his offense to explode, and that confidence translated when he went back to D.

Disagree, but we'll never know

 

[thestonedkoala]

The Leddy + Johansson trade made sense if they believed Barker could bounce back, because Fletcher was under the gun to get the team back to the playoffs. He didn't take into account that the NHL style changed and Barker was a terrible defensemen.

Michalek for Westrum and Wood was horrendous.

 

[Digitalbooya]

The part that gets me is if you draw modern day comparables here is what I see:

Burns: Fiala for 1st+Faber (+roster forward)

Barker: Dumba+Lambos for nothing

Plus, wasn’t the Burns trade basically a choice between keeping him or keeping Koivu? Think of all the “Koivu isn’t a 1C” and “is Koivu a good captain” conversations we would have missed out on.

 

[thestonedkoala]

The part that gets me is if you draw modern day comparables here is what I see:

Burns: Fiala for 1st+Faber (+roster forward)

Barker: Dumba+Lambos for nothing

Plus, wasn’t the Burns trade basically a choice between keeping him or keeping Koivu? Think of all the “Koivu isn’t a 1C” and “is Koivu a good captain” conversations we would have missed out on.

Burns mentioned that the Wild never talked to him about an extension. The trade was a bit of a surprise.

I'd say the Barker trade is more like Goligoski + Lambos

 

[DANOZ28]

The Leddy + Johansson trade made sense if they believed Barker could bounce back, because Fletcher was under the gun to get the team back to the playoffs. He didn't take into account that the NHL style changed and Barker was a terrible defensemen.

Michalek for Westrum and Wood was horrendous.

its the gms job to get fair value or win a trade. ps burns was rumored to want alot of money the wild didn't have at the time.

 

[thestonedkoala]

its the gms job to get fair value or win a trade. ps burns was rumored to want alot of money the wild didn't have at the time.

It's the GM's job to improve their team. Fletcher was hired to get the team to the playoffs and if that means giving up a potential prospect for a now player, you do that. Leddy could have been a massive bust. He was an unknown quantity. Barker was a known quantity. They banked on it wrong, but the philosophy was sound.

Never heard that rumor; only heard Burns was willing to take less to say with the team.

 

[Al Lagoon]

Burns was also drafted as a wing, recently converted from dman, and then flipped and flopped throughout his career in Minnesota, and also in SJ. Special case Burns is.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Burns trade was salvageable if we took the right guy at #28.

Didn't have that same chance with the Leddy one.

 

[thestonedkoala]

Burns trade was salvageable if we took the right guy at #28.

Didn't have that same chance with the Leddy one.

Burns was a knee jerk reaction by Fletcher. The return was decent if Setoguchi had continued to be a 20-30 goal scorers or if Coyle would have developed into a power forward.

 

[TaLoN]

Burns was a knee jerk reaction by Fletcher. The return was decent if Setoguchi had continued to be a 20-30 goal scorers or if Coyle would have developed into a power forward.

The team couldn't afford both Koivu and Burns because of the cap committed by Risebrough to Backstrom.

It wasn't knee jerk, it was reality. They had to choose, they chose the center.

Further cap maneuvering got us both Parise and Suter, which was pretty savvy maneuvering actually.

 

[thestonedkoala]

The team couldn't afford both Koivu and Burns because of the cap committed by Risebrough to Backstrom.

It wasn't knee jerk, it was reality. They had to choose, they chose the center.

Further cap maneuvering got us both Parise and Suter, which was pretty savvy maneuvering actually.

Backstrom's contract was a problem, but it was a known problem when Fletcher was hired as GM. He was also coming off a pretty good season, but Backstrom's contract coupled with Koivu's contract really doomed Minnesota on signing back Burns. However, Minnesota didn't even really approach Burns to get his numbers. I say it was a knee jerk reaction, because Minnesota didn't even try to talk to Burns and see what his numbers were at.

 

[Minnewildsota]

Backstrom's contract was a problem, but it was a known problem when Fletcher was hired as GM. He was also coming off a pretty good season, but Backstrom's contract coupled with Koivu's contract really doomed Minnesota on signing back Burns. However, Minnesota didn't even really approach Burns to get his numbers. I say it was a knee jerk reaction, because Minnesota didn't even try to talk to Burns and see what his numbers were at.

That's not what knee jerk means, but ok. I guess we're changing the definitions of words.

I thought Fletcher was a god. And by god, I mean completely average GM while he was here.

 

[thestonedkoala]

That's not what knee jerk means, but ok. I guess we're changing the definitions of words.

I thought Fletcher was a god. And by god, I mean completely average GM while he was here.

It was a knee jerk reaction that Wild thought they weren't going to be able to sign back Burns (which may or may not have been the correct assumption) and traded him without talking to him.

Also the definition is this:
(of a response) automatic and unthinking

This is the very definition of what they did with Burns. It was an automatic response to a possible cap crunch if they were to sign Parise and Suter and they didn't really think it through.

 

[57special]

What knee jerk, god like post.

 

[north21]

Kessel on the cheaper than expected would have been ok, lots of team swill regret passing him up at 1.5.

 

[thestonedkoala]

Kessel on the cheaper than expected would have been ok, lots of team swill regret passing him up at 1.5.

Half of the team are over the cap, so...

 

[ThatGuy22]

Half of the team are over the cap, so...

Stastny and Kessel both signed for 1.5m. We can afford that, and either would have helped.

 

[DeagleJenkins]

Stastny and Kessel both signed for 1.5m. We can afford that, and either would have helped.

Statsny prob wanted a shot at the cup not a pipe dream to hopefully shoot a 1/1000th chance at it. Kessel who knows

 

[thestonedkoala]

Statsny prob wanted a shot at the cup not a pipe dream to hopefully shoot a 1/1000th chance at it. Kessel who knows

Kessel probably doesn't want to play in Minnesota

 

[MuckOG]

Kessel probably doesn't want to play in Minnesota

Kessel doesn't want to play anywhere where there might be pressure to win.

 

[thestonedkoala]

Kessel doesn't want to play anywhere where there might be pressure to win.

Why did he stay in Toronto then?

 

[DeagleJenkins]

Why did he stay in Toronto then?

that was many years ago. he is reffering to the now after his days as a pen. yotes to vegas in their current situation? is an interesting choice for sure.

 

[BagHead]

Kessel doesn't want to play anywhere where there might be pressure to win.

I'm not so sure about that. It may be that he enjoys the desert, and this keeps him there while putting him on what should be a playoff team instead of a bottom feeder. If all he wanted was no expectations, he could have joined a far worse team.

But you may be right. He may be after the Vegas lifestyle while still earning an NHL salary. Hard to know why a man does what he does sometimes.