Speculation: Trade and Free Agency Talk - 2022-23 Edition - Postseason Success can't be a Myth!

[grimmel95]

I think the Wild did the right thing keeping him in the AHL last year. The kid was basically coming off of no competitive hockey for what 18 mos or something like that. I think the Wild just wanted him to get back on the ice and back playing competitively and doing that at the highest level in the world probably wouldn't have been the best idea.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Thoughts on a Dumba for Dvorak swap?

 

[thestonedkoala]

Thoughts on a Dumba for Dvorak swap?

No. Ship has sailed on Dvorak.

 

[57special]

Thoughts on a Dumba for Dvorak swap?

I don't see the attraction. He's a poor man's Gaudreau/ Hartman, at three times the price, who is signed for three more years, and had a bad year last year. He had 6 more points than Dumba, as a forward. In other words, he is a mediocre C who is getting paid more than he is worth, and for three more years. I would far rather see what Dumba does this year, and move him at the TDL if he can't be re-signed for a reasonable amount. Worse comes to worse, we keep him for the playoff run, and let him and his 6M cap hit go.

At this point, for our team with it's cap challenges, Dvorak has negative value. If we did trade Dumba for him, i would expect substantial value coming back, and/or some retention on Dvorak's contract.

 

[Parax]

Thoughts on a Dumba for Dvorak swap?

I don't see the team winning a cup in the next 3 years, and picking up Dvorak doesn't change that. The only reason to make this trade is if they feel they can rebuild Dvorak's value and ship him off for a better return than what they can currently expect to get from Dumba. Without that Dvorak is likely at best around a similar level as Rossi over those 3 years, has a higher cap for the full duration of the worst of the buyouts, and takes up a roster spot.

 

[Digitalbooya]

I don't see the attraction. He's a poor man's Gaudreau/ Hartman, at three times the price, who is signed for three more years, and had a bad year last year. He had 6 more points than Dumba, as a forward. In other words, he is a mediocre C who is getting paid more than he is worth, and for three more years. I would far rather see what Dumba does this year, and move him at the TDL if he can't be re-signed for a reasonable amount. Worse comes to worse, we keep him for the playoff run, and let him and his 6M cap hit go.

At this point, for our team with it's cap challenges, Dvorak has negative value. If we did trade Dumba for him, i would expect substantial value coming back, and/or some retention on Dvorak's contract.

I don't see how Dvorak is a "poor man's Gaudreau/Hartman." Prior to last season, Dvorak has had better numbers. He has won faceoffs at 55% or higher three of the last four seasons. I think his cap hit is reasonable for a 2C and his faceoffs would make him an absolute asset on the power play and penalty kill.

He certainly has not played next to a guy that is Kaprizov/Fiala level like both Hartman and Gaudreau did this past year.

 

[DeagleJenkins]

I don't see how Dvorak is a "poor man's Gaudreau/Hartman." Prior to last season, Dvorak has had better numbers. He has won faceoffs at 55% or higher three of the last four seasons. I think his cap hit is reasonable for a 2C and his faceoffs would make him an absolute asset on the power play and penalty kill.

He certainly has not played next to a guy that is Kaprizov/Fiala level like both Hartman and Gaudreau did this past year.

he wouldnt be pushing us over the top but at 26, maybe we can start to develop his offensive game with some real talent around him? Did he play with keller in Ari or was that Schmaltz only?

 

[AKL]

Dvorak is a 3C. Whether it's him, Hartman or Gaudreau playing next to Kaprizov doesn't really matter, except we don't have to waste assets getting the latter two, and they're on far better contracts. So I'd much rather just use them.

 

[Digitalbooya]

he wouldnt be pushing us over the top but at 26, maybe we can start to develop his offensive game with some real talent around him? Did he play with keller in Ari or was that Schmaltz only?

I think he played some with Keller.

 

[DeagleJenkins]

I think he played some with Keller.

I vaguely recall him being in the Ek role in Arizona without the same help as Ek has here. I never watched him close enough but does he have any offense to his game? the 55% faceoffs is nice and can be relied upon greatly but lets say we did just make him play between Boldy and Freddy G this year, what can he bring besides faceoffs?

 

[57special]

Well, he does win FO's, at least, but he simply doesn't produce offense, and was considered a big disappointment in MTL. I would guess that they would jump at the chance to trade him for Gaudreau, which would allow them to get a similar player at 1.2M as opposed to the 4,5M he is paid, and for the next three years. The fact that Gaudreau is a francophone would be gravy for them.

Remember Gaudreau is OUR best FO guy since we traded Sturm.

I just don't see that Dvorak has done anything that would earn him a spot on the team as a top 9 C for the next three years over JEE, Gaudreau, Hartman, and Rossi, even before considering our salary cap situation.

Dumba and his cap is a problem easily solved by the end of this year. I have mixed feelings on him, but trading him for Dvorak is the last thing I would want.

 

[TaLoN]

Well, he does win FO's, at least, but he simply doesn't produce offense, and was considered a big disappointment in MTL. I would guess that they would jump at the chance to trade him for Gaudreau, which would allow them to get a similar player at 1.2M as opposed to the 4,5M he is paid, and for the next three years. The fact that Gaudreau is a francophone would be gravy for them.

Remember Gaudreau is OUR best FO guy since we traded Sturm.

I just don't see that Dvorak has done anything that would earn him a spot on the team as a top 9 C for the next three years over JEE, Gaudreau, Hartman, and Rossi, even before considering our salary cap situation.

Dumba and his cap is a problem easily solved by the end of this year. I have mixed feelings on him, but trading him for Dvorak is the last thing I would want.

No, before the trade it was Bjugstad, after the trade it is still Bjugstad.

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2021-22

Wild

57

255

141

55.3

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2021-22

Wild

53

373

193

51.7

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76

922

461

50.0

 

[57special]

No, before the trade it was Bjugstad, after the trade it is still Bjugstad.

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You left out the three years previous to last, where Bjugstad had FO % 's of 48.5, 39.6, and 46.3. In any event, he is not an option because he simply is not anything but a fringe NHL player at best, right now, and not comparable to Dvorak or Gaudreau. Not sure why you brought him into the conversation, as he clearly was not a full time C for us last year.

 

[TaLoN]

You left out the three years previous to last, where Bjugstad had FO % 's of 48.5, 39.6, and 46.3. In any event, he is not an option because he simply is not anything but a fringe NHL player at best, right now, and not comparable to Dvorak or Gaudreau. Not sure why you brought him into the conversation, as he clearly was not a full time C for us last year.

This isn't 2-3 years ago, the past season has the most relevant data. (I'm sure you meant the 2 years prior anyway, not 3 years ago when Nico was 29%)

If someone was better this past season, they were the better faceoff man for the team this past season.

 

[MuckOG]

 

[AKL]

#OneOfUs

What's his plan for the NHL roster though

 

[57special]

He's fast, and has some skill. Not big(5'11"), but not tiny, and has a bit of an edge to him. Can play C, but will probably end on wing. Definitely a breakaway threat.

My only reservation about him is that he seems to have leveled off at the U, after a really good start as a Freshman, being named B10 ROY. He might end up being nothing more than an AHL'er, but at least he's got some offensive potential. I'm all for signing him ... his speed and quickness in alone make him interesting.

 

[keppel146]

Prove me wrong Sammy. But I don’t see how he turns out any better than Rau or Kloos.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

AHL at best.

One of the more disappointing players of the last 4 years for the Gophers, along with Brinkman.

 

[MuckOG]

 

[Wabit]

He's fast, and has some skill. Not big(5'11"), but not tiny, and has a bit of an edge to him. Can play C, but will probably end on wing. Definitely a breakaway threat.

My only reservation about him is that he seems to have leveled off at the U, after a really good start as a Freshman, being named B10 ROY. He might end up being nothing more than an AHL'er, but at least he's got some offensive potential. I'm all for signing him ... his speed and quickness in alone make him interesting.

He's found money if he signs.

I don't care if he signs with the Wild or not. The farm system is pretty stocked with AHL ceiling FWDs already, but depth and competition is always good to have.

I think he'd have a better shot at the NHL (someday) with some other teams. If the kid wants to follow his #oneofus dream I can't fault him for chasing his dream.

 

[AKL]

He's found money if he signs.

I don't care if he signs with the Wild or not. The farm system is pretty stocked with AHL ceiling FWDs already, but depth and competition is always good to have.

I think he'd have a better shot at the NHL (someday) with some other teams. If the kid wants to follow his #oneofus dream I can't fault him for chasing his dream.

Iowa is gonna have competition aplenty this season. Shaw, Rossi, Firstov, Hentges, Beckman, Swaney, Chaffee. I'm sure I'm missing someone. And that's not even counting guys like Cramarossa, Baddock, Petan who aren't NHL hopefuls. Competition is good, but if guys who should be getting playing time aren't getting playing time because of competition, it's not as good.

I'm sure Walker is a great person and having another dart is usually a good thing, but I don't see this specific dart making any difference in the long run.

I'm still waiting to see what Guerin plans to do with the NHL roster. Team needs two more forwards. The Dumba situation is still way up in the air too.

EDIT: Might not actually be missing anyone important from that list, Khovanov is gone, Khusnutdinov and Guskov are in Russia, Novak is recovering, Nesterenko is back at BC, Ohgren and Yurov are still in Europe.

 

[Wabit]

Iowa is gonna have competition aplenty this season. Shaw, Rossi, Firstov, Hentges, Beckman, Swaney, Chaffee. I'm sure I'm missing someone. And that's not even counting guys like Cramarossa, Baddock, Petan who aren't NHL hopefuls. Competition is good, but if guys who should be getting playing time aren't getting playing time because of competition, it's not as good.

I'm sure Walker is a great person and having another dart is usually a good thing, but I don't see this specific dart making any difference in the long run.

I'm still waiting to see what Guerin plans to do with the NHL roster. Team needs two more forwards. The Dumba situation is still way up in the air too.

EDIT: Might not actually be missing anyone important from that list, Khovanov is gone, Khusnutdinov and Guskov are in Russia, Novak is recovering, Nesterenko is back at BC, Ohgren and Yurov are still in Europe.

Of those guys listed Rossi is the only one with meaningful future NHL FWD. The rest are Dewar/Duhaime AHL/NHL fringe players. Beckman could be more due to his shot, but still a long shot for me.

Injuries are also a thing in both the AHL and NHL. It wouldn't surprise me to see Rossi, Petan, Chaffee/Shaw, and one more on the list on the 23 man opening night NHL roster with pressbox players and a training camp injury (assuming Geenway is already out) or two.

IIRC Walker has a speed skillset that Iowa doesn't really have in it's lineup. So he would add something more than just another 5'10", blond. great at nothing, 2-way player. It doesn't matter to me either way if he signs in MN or not.

 

[MuckOG]

 

[Jesus comma Brodin]

Cool for him, won’t sniff NHL relevance as many alluded to