Dr Jan Itor
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Or he lives in Arizona now, Vegas is close by, and a contender (in at least some sense).
Speculation: Trade and Free Agency Talk - 2022-23 Edition - Postseason Success can't be a Myth!
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ThatGuy22
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He had 52 points on a team that only scored 200 goals total(lowest in the league), while sporting a career low 5% shooting percentage (a 12% drop from the previous year).
It's more likely than not he has a decent bounce back in shooting percentage, and could replace atleast a portion of what Fiala did scoring wise.
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Yeah and he doesn't hustle, he doesn't play defense, he fumbles pucks in the offensive zone all the time (he doesn't touch pucks in the defensive zone so I can't tell you about his performance there). He would instantly be the whipping boy as soon as he stepped on the ice.
Kessel is all the parts about Fiala people whined about, with none of the good things Fiala did to make up for it. I watched half of his games last season, I'm not concerned about the stats he put up. He's not a good player, and he's not worth being upset over.
He might replace a portion of what Fiala did scoring-wise, but the Wild already have enough passengers who can collect more points than they deserve, adding another one isn't the top priority. Especially since the ones we currently have are at least good defensively.
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As a side note, it's pretty weird that anyone here would lament not signing a 35 year old winger. I really thought it would take longer before we got back to that point, after the stigma surrounding us for the last decade.
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Age doesn't particularly matter on a one year deal.
I don't think it's unreasonable to think that Kessel could have been a solid low risk bet opposite Boldy, when our current options are Gaudrau(if Rossi is int he middle), Rossi (if Gaudrau is in the middle) and Jost.
It's not the end of the world, but there is still a hole on the Boldy line.
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There isn't really a hole at all, because we have the guys already on the roster who can play there. You're talking about how much of an upgrade Kessel might be on those options. And if the plan is to put Rossi and Gaudreau on that line with him, I don't think Kessel is an upgrade at all.
And if the plan is to put Jost there, I'd rather see what that looks like, to see if Jost is worth keeping beyond this year, rather than give it to a 35 year old who we don't want after this year.
Depends on a lot of factors
I'd say the ceiling is a late first and a b/c type of prospect
Floor is a 2nd and a d prospect
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A first?
Russo: Truth is they've been trying to trade Dumba for a long time without success. If he has no value they'll probably just let him walk next year, otherwise he'll block a spot for a youngster.
I'd say a late 1st, at least. I think we underestimate his worth(top 3 RHD in his 20's with speed, physicality, and offensive upside)just because we are disappointed in him not delivering on his early promise when he was scoring like an elite offensive Dman.
While it lessens his value because he unsigned past this year, it also makes him easier to move, as I'm sure BG would be happy to retain(making him easier to acquire for cap strapped teams)on his remaining salary(1.5M, or thereabouts?)for the right deal.
I would bet 80% of 2023 playoff teams would be happy to make room for Dumba on their roster. I am just afraid that BG will hold onto him, saying that he is needed in order for us to make a long playoff run. I get that thinking, but with CO in our division, and even STL and an improved NSH, is it realistic that we make a long run sans Fiala?
If he only nets us a late 2nd/3rd and a B prospect, then I am fine if we hold onto him. A mid/late 1st+, not so much. I can see a team like OTT making a trade for him if they have the year I think they are going to have. I can see them supplanting FLA or BOS for a playoff spot. They definitely can use some help back on D, especially RHD.
In the off-season with some years left on the contract.A first?
Russo: Truth is they've been trying to trade Dumba for a long time without success. If he has no value they'll probably just let him walk next year, otherwise he'll block a spot for a youngster.
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I guess I don't agree that it makes any sense for the Wild. We have probably over half a dozen players exactly like Rodrigues already. And we're running out of roster space for them if we want guys like Rossi to have a path to the NHL this season.
I mean if we do sign him, I'm not gonna be angry, but like, we don't need him.
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Also, what makes you so sure Rodrigues would want to sign here? A deal requires both sides to agree on rate, term, lineup expectations, and career projection.
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Wild's cap space is a bit deceptive because the dead cap from buyouts spikes up after this season. Rodrigues would probably want more than a 1 year deal after a career year, so it's not a poor match.
Wild trade idea!
Zucc for Zucker + 2024 +2025 Pitt 1sts.
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- Pens future is now. Crosby has three more years. Picks mean far less to them than other teams.... they are going to be crap for a while after their core leaves. Zucc has proven he knows how to play with elite players such as Sid and Malkin. Zucker has been a bust for them, and has negative value at his cap hit, so losing him is a win. Also has a 10 team NTC, making it even harder to trade him.... he would welcome a trade back to MN for family reasons.
- MN already has a good prospect pool, but two more firsts in the next three years would make it even better. MN would hope that PIT is due for a massive regression in 24-25, when Crosby, Malkin, Letang, and Zucc would all be in their late 30's, resulting in MN having a high draft pick for at least one of those years. Boldy can slot in Zucc's spot, arguably, w/o missing a beat. Boldy is, IMO, a bigger, younger, better Zucc. Zucker is sort of a write off at this point, but he would be thrilled to come back to MN, and might be found money as a two way middle six W for one more year before players like Beckman, Ohgren, and Yurov are ready. MN would also lose Zucc's 6M cap hit for 2024.
Negatives
- Zucc is much better than Zucker at this point, and has been a terrific linemate and buddy for Kap. We'd have to hope that Boldy would be Kap's new BFF, and that Kap wouldn't be angered. Nonetheless, MN would be downgrading their team for the next two years up front.
- PIT runs the risk of losing a top draft pick or two should their drop off be sudden.
Zucc for Zucker + 2024 +2025 Pitt 1sts.
Positives
- Pens future is now. Crosby has three more years. Picks mean far less to them than other teams.... they are going to be crap for a while after their core leaves. Zucc has proven he knows how to play with elite players such as Sid and Malkin. Zucker has been a bust for them, and has negative value at his cap hit, so losing him is a win. Also has a 10 team NTC, making it even harder to trade him.... he would welcome a trade back to MN for family reasons.
- MN already has a good prospect pool, but two more firsts in the next three years would make it even better. MN would hope that PIT is due for a massive regression in 24-25, when Crosby, Malkin, Letang, and Zucc would all be in their late 30's, resulting in MN having a high draft pick for at least one of those years. Boldy can slot in Zucc's spot, arguably, w/o missing a beat. Boldy is, IMO, a bigger, younger, better Zucc. Zucker is sort of a write off at this point, but he would be thrilled to come back to MN, and might be found money as a two way middle six W for one more year before players like Beckman, Ohgren, and Yurov are ready. MN would also lose Zucc's 6M cap hit for 2024.
Negatives
- Zucc is much better than Zucker at this point, and has been a terrific linemate and buddy for Kap. We'd have to hope that Boldy would be Kap's new BFF, and that Kap wouldn't be angered. Nonetheless, MN would be downgrading their team for the next two years up front.
- PIT runs the risk of losing a top draft pick or two should their drop off be sudden.
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I've used this line before, but Rodrigues is the answer to a question that no one in MN is asking.
DeagleJenkins
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Zucker just sold his house how dare you attempt this! joking aside i dont hate it for the cap relief and then just slot Zucker into the 4th line lw spot. speed kills and he still has that for parts of seasons.
I watched him a fair amount when he played with PIT. He can definitely play 3rd line. He didn't look bad, just couldn't seem to find chemistry with their big guns, nor stay healthy. He is better than any other winger in our bottom six, assuming that Boldy moves up to the 1st line.
DeagleJenkins
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yeah he would not be the worst bottom 6 forward for a year and then we just let him walk at the end of the year or i suppose sell him at the TDL if he is even asked for, for anything at all and get the extra picks from the original trade. i like the idea.
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