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You'll get no argument from me on that account.
Am I misreading it? I think it's saying he's got 10 teams he will allow trades to. Put the other way, he has a 22 (edit: 21) team no-trade list.
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Speculation: Trade and Free Agency Talk - 2022-23 Edition - Postseason Success can't be a Myth!
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Dr Jan Itor
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That's a conclusion I feel ok waiting a year to come to, or not come to.
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I'd say it's pretty pointless to speculate about a Zucc trade in the first place, I'm 110% sure it's not going to happen. First losing Fiala, now you want to lose another top line player?
Zucc told the media he doesn't see himself playing anywhere else, what did he mean by this? Who knows...but picking up a $3 million signing bonus is nice, even more so since he just became a dad.
Having a good laugh over here at the thought of being worked up because the Wild couldn’t capitalize on Clayton Stoner’s value before he somehow made it to free agency.
The gall of this organization, how will they ever succeed?
The gall of this organization, how will they ever succeed?
That 7th round pick for Brodziak would have turned this ship around, I just know it!
Kuemper won a Stanley Cup and was actually on the rebound after Minnesota.
Heatley was a good veteran presence and I wouldn't have been surprised if some team traded a 2nd for him (though I can't remember if he got injured before his UFA year or two),
Fletcher did have teams asking him about Brodziak, but didn't want to trade him
Stoner may have garnered at least a mid-round pick. He signed a pretty hefty contract so there was some demand for him.
Those are off the top of my head. Minnesota didn't really have a lot of UFA near the end of Fletcher's terms, but Fenton did do an amazing job of retooling the team on the fly, which Guerin pushed.
The problem is for a LONG time, Minnesota never made a trade at the deadline for an expiring FA. This was huge in the early years of Fletcher's term when he had:
Andrew Brunette
Owen Nolan
Antti Miettinen
Chuck Kobasew
Shane Hnidy
PM Bouchard (though medicals may have made it impossible...he did sign a contract though with New York, but was sent down)
John Madden
The biggest issue with Fletcher is that he couldn't figure out what road he was taking and ended up with some very mediocre teams. The prospect pool was pretty shallow after around 5-7 and nothing compared to what they have now.
Yes, because defensive centers aren't really wanted in the NHL. Fletcher actually had teams calling to ask about the availability of Brodziak, but he didn't want to move him because of the shallow depth Minnesota had at center. They also didn't want to extend him.
They haven't really succeeded unless you call getting bounced out of the 1st round repeatedly a success?
More so, Stoner had no future with this organization. The issue is that a lot of fans don't see the value of certain players and then are suddenly stunned when a player like Nick Paul for a decent prospect and a draft pick.
Also do you think the Rangers made a mistake of trading Zuccarello? or Kevin Hayes?
At this point, I think Minnesota is going to wait to camp before signing anyone. There isn't anyone really in their price range and I don't see them making any big trades - or trades at all. They think they can make another playoff run...so more power to them.
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More names that every NHL team has in their history. We are/were not unique.
Imagine coming to this site in 2022 to discuss Clayton Stoner. Stunning, really.
Gaborik, Koivu, Rolston, Brunette, etc are names worth discussing when it comes to letting players leave in free agency.
Zucc is going to be an interesting trade candidate next summer. Will need to judge on whether he will sign a cheap short term deal.
Zucc is going to be an interesting trade candidate next summer. Will need to judge on whether he will sign a cheap short term deal.
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We'll know 3 things then that we don't know now:
1. How Zuccarello looked in his 35 year old season
2. How Boldy looked without Fiala and what his next contract could be looking like
3. Whatever we end up doing with Dumba
I think Dumba is gone. We have enough defensive prospects to soften the blow. In fact, I think it is a bad idea to re-sign Dumba.
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Would be nice to know what Addison is at the NHL before doing anything, but I don't see how they're going to find out, at the moment.
I forgot about that, congrats to him! Going to be a sleep deprived off season for him, he will to need to rely on his well honed offensive instincts to carry him through the baby brain parts of the season.
I think we eventually end up seeing him come back with a bit of term but friendly cap hit, add a few years beyond Kaprizov's contract and you can at least use that in extension discussions with Kap as an extra little motivator to re-sign.
Only way he moves is if he completely flops this season and Guerin gets an opportunity he can't pass up and needs the cap space, like Austin Matthews wakes up and demands a trade only to the Wild.
We traded Rolston and Koivu couldn't be traded.
I feel like Zuccs should be an ideal candidate to be traded this year - especially given he has only two years left on his contract and can be traded.
Great first year to do a mini rebuild and get a top 5/10 draft pick this year.
West is going to be tough with St. Louis, Dallas, Nashville, Winnipeg all looking to take a shot at Colorado. In the Pacific, you have Calgary, Edmonton, Los Angeles, Vegas and possibly a dark horse in Anaheim (if they continue to develop) and San Jose.
You can also try to trade Gaudreau and bank on his good seasons and then you have to decide what to do with Dumba and Kulikov.
Be honest and none of that BS about anything can happen in the playoffs - does anyone see this team going far in the playoffs?
Love Brodin and Spurgeon is good, but they have been here since 2012-2013 and they disappear in the playoffs. No one is going to mistake Brodin or Spurgeon for a prime Hedman or Makar or even Pietro. No one is going to mistake Hartman for MacKinnon or Stamkos.
You're expecting Rossi to immediately come onto the roster and be a MacKinnon or hell a O'Reilly?
And let's not bring up Fleury (who has struggled in the playoffs) being a prime Price or Vasilevsky.
So again, with a straight face, does anyone see this roster going deep in the playoffs?
I'm split on this. Guerin has stressed (and shown) on keeping guys that buy into the system and Dumba has bought into the system. I think if the numbers are okay, Dumba will be back.
I do, I can see them making a run with this roster. Its nearly the same roster that outperformed all but St. Louis and Colorado last year. Dallas and especially Winnipeg, are pretenders, Nashville pretty much is, with the exception of their power play being unstoppable, and a possible difference maker in net. The team was capable of competing with Colorado too, they did win the season series, and never looked out of place.
The Wild had the most compact second half schedule in the modern history of the league last year, it was not a normal pace of play entering the playoffs and there were a lot of injuries. Now obviously that is something that you can't control, but it seemed like they peaked just a bit too early. Runs take a lot of luck and things to go right, you can only influence it so much.
The core of this team is also still developing for the most part, there is room for continued growth in player's games, even Kaprizov was a different player from start of last season to the end. You asked if Marco Rossi is O'Reilly, but why not imagine JEE hitting a performance like that at some point, he pretty much did in the St. Louis series and has improved his offense every single year.
There is already chemistry on the team, the guys may not have gotten it done in the playoffs this year, but they did show the heart to go for wins every night. Why would I want to root against that effort and passion in the players on my favorite team? The players clearly love playing for each other and no one took shifts off last year, it was entertaining and crisp hockey. Kevin Fiala was certainly part of the entertainment, but he was just one part of a whole team that showed great things last year.
Ahhh, they traded Rolston's rights... Not the same thing as actually getting value for the player.
The only legit point you have in the rest of your rant here is that Hartman isn't a MacKinnon or Stamkos.
Thinking this team will be picking top 10 with a healthy Kaprizov is insane. Good f***ing luck bud.
First off; thank you.
Secondly, nearly the same roster isn't really a good indication of what has changed with the roster. Both goaltenders are gone, a top 6 winger is gone and they are being cagey at best with Kaprizov.
I'd say Winnipeg is a pretender, but Dallas went to the finals a few seasons ago and are adding better players all the time. Dallas put up a damn good fight against Calgary (ranked 2) and almost upset them. Minnesota rolled over to St. Louis who had at best an AHL group of defensemen for a good chunk of the series; St. Louis leaned heavily on Parayko, Faulk and Leddy and sprinkled in guys like Mikkola, Perunovich, Rosen, Santini. Also some runs take luck, but honestly a lot of it has to do with the goaltender. When Minnesota has run up against some teams that take runs is because their goaltenders get hot at the right time, but they have a team to help them out.
I mean Boldy is still developing, but who else? Greenway? As for JEE as someone pointed out in the Ohgren thread; JEE has been limited offensively. It was great to see him break out, but there are questions if he has that next level. He also had only 49 points in 77 games where as O'Reilly had 77 points that season. That's a pretty tall order to increase points by 28 (though primarily assists). More so, are they going to be comfortable keeping JEE with Kaprizov and Zuccs or are they going to move him back on the Foligno/Greenway line?
I agree that it was entertaining, but being stuck in the middle can get tiring after a while; in their 20+ years of existence, Minnesota has made the playoffs 11 times and in those 11 playoff rounds, they have lost in the first round 8 times, made it to the 2nd round 2 times and only made it to the 3rd round once.
By contrast, the Jets (via the Thrashers) have made it to the playoffs 4 times, lost in the first round twice, made it to the 2nd round once and made it to the 3rd round once.
Nashville has been to the playoffs 14 times, lost in the first round 9, lost in the 2nd round 4 times and lost in the finals once.
Blue Jackets have been the worst only making it to the playoffs 6 times and out of the first round once. However, they have had success more recently than the Wild.
The Wild haven't made it out of the first round since 2014-2015. I'd say they have been mired in mediocrity since then. At least Columbus got the hint and rebuild after that 2018-2019 push.
If Kaprizov comes back. But Brodin/Spurgeon aren't Hedman, Pietroangelo, Makar...Minnesota's defense has very little offense.
I mean the Chicago Blackhawks had DeBrincat, Kane and Toews and still ended up picking 6th. San Jose had Timo Meier and they picked 11th.
New York Rangers somehow got the 1st overall pick with Panarin on their roster.
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If Kaprizov doesn't come back, this team is picking top 10 regardless of who is here or not.
So easy for people to nit pick good players and also great lockerroom guys....blows my frickin mind
Why do you say this? I am very tired of these statements. No offense but you have no clue how the Wild would be without KK.
Yeah, somehow in IAHockey25's world losing your franchise player and your second best forward in one offseason = Wild get MOAR BETTER!
No offense, but give your head a shake.
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