I guess I don't understand. They are losing players "for nothing" by letting them walk in FA, so then in turn they need to acquire players "for nothing" by signing them in FA.
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Maybe Zucc asked for a little change in the contract, because when he knows they will not trade him, he plays even better. And Guerin said "sure why not, low risk anyway"
Spurgeon
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About 99% sure that just means he can’t be sent to the minors. Otherwise there’d be no reason to make the m-NTC distinction.
MuckOG
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I'd have to go back and dig through stuff, but I remember being confused by the terms on that contract when it was announced too. I think the "NMC" part of that just means he can't be sent to the AHL, but for trades he'll have the verboten list that we all know and love. So he can be traded, but not buried.
Unless I'm misremembering.
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Even if he asked, is it allowed to change a contract after pen to paper has already been completed years prior?Maybe Zucc asked for a little change in the contract, because when he knows they will not trade him, he plays even better. And Guerin said "sure why not, low risk anyway"
I've given up trying to understand it. Not all expiring contracts need to be traded.
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I'd say it would be more of a gentleman's agreement. The NMC means he can not be sent to the minors or on waivers.
The actual answer is "no".
DeagleJenkins
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I understand what the NMC means, i just dont recall that being apart of the initial contract at least through cap friendly.
that was my assumption.
Dr Jan Itor
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Full NMC protects you from everything (trade and minors). NMC + NTC protects your from minors + whatever trade restrictions come with the NTC.
Nobody of note has left MN as a FA in over a decade.
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I thought his list was actually the opposite: 10 teams he can be traded to, rather than 22. Nice.
Spurgeon
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Kahk with a 2 year extension at a $2.75M AAV. Not as disappointed in moving on from him at that price. Still think he’s got a chance at being a good NHL caliber starter though.
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Zuccarello can be traded to 21 teams starting 5 days ago. He has a 10 team no trade list, which means he chooses 10 teams he doesn't want to go to + Minnesota = 21 teams he can be traded to without his input. He still can't be put on waivers or sent to Iowa unless he agrees (like if it were a buyout or something).
Matt Cullen (though the last few teams they didn't try to trade him)
Kyle Brodziak
Clayton Stoner
Darcy Kuemper
Dany Heatley
But MiNnEsoTa was in the playoff hunt is going to be the same excuse over and over again...
Except for cap hits and overpaying, which is why they struggled - and why Fletcher and Riser pretty much left the cupboards bare for the next GM. It wasn't until Fenton/Guerin came around that they started moving guys.
Do you recall how often Fletcher had to overpay for third line wingers? It wasn't until Foligno came that he actually found a reliable third line forward.
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So, nobody of note.....
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And that goal is exactly Guerin's plan, as he has said many times. I also believe that the current team is still good enough to do just that.
Dr Jan Itor
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Now, show this list to be irregular when compared to to the other teams. It won't be.
Every team loses these types of players every year. The one's that kill you are the Gaborik's, Pietrangelo's, Tavares' and Gaudreau's. Not those scrubs.
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Sure, but that's pretty pointless to speculate about, since we don't know what his motivations are. Eric Staal tried working the system and ended up in Buffalo. What we know is there are 21 teams he can be traded to without his permission.
Dr Jan Itor
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The need to trade Zuccarello was Fiala-related, and a year away anyway. No issue with keeping him now, unless you want to give Dumba a ton of money for some reason. He's a good player on a fine contract.
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I don't disagree with that. I also don't want to see him extended beyond his current contract though. Two years left here. If we miss the playoffs this season, it's worth strongly considering trading him next summer anyway if we can still get some assets back for him.
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