Speculation: Trade and Free Agency Talk - 2022-23 Edition - Postseason Success can't be a Myth!

[thestonedkoala]

Complete speculation on your part that you’re trying to pass off as gospel

So Fiala, Sturm, Kaprizov, and now Talbot. You think that Greenway, Goligoski. Fleury are good deals?

 

[Parax]

Talbot's agent is doing his job. GMBG is doing his job. Neither of them is in the wrong for their comments.

If MN does trade Talbot they will need to replace somehow replace him in the lineup. Betting that Wallstedt or Jones can be a the backup for the full season would be a really big gamble.

I've thought all along that McIntyre deserved an open shot at the backup spot. His career is good enough to suggest he could fill a backup role and he did well in Iowa last year. Go find another Stalock level free agent and let those two and Wallstedt have an open tryout, albeit with Wallstedt really just there to push them. No suggestion as to who the other goalie might be but there are always career backup level guys available that most people have never heard of until they are on your team.

 

[Minnewildsota]

So Fiala, Sturm, Kaprizov, and now Talbot. You think that Greenway, Goligoski. Fleury are good deals?

Fiala didn’t make sense financially no matter how you sliced it

Sturm asked for way more than we would have and should have paid him.

Kaprisov is signed to reasonable deal. (Was risky at the time)

What about Talbot?

 

[Wabit]

I've thought all along that McIntyre deserved an open shot at the backup spot. His career is good enough to suggest he could fill a backup role and he did well in Iowa last year. Go find another Stalock level free agent and let those two and Wallstedt have an open tryout, albeit with Wallstedt really just there to push them. No suggestion as to who the other goalie might be but there are always career backup level guys available that most people have never heard of until they are on your team.

The unknown backup an option, but is it worth risking the season over? Lindgren is the cheap backup I've had in the back of my mind all offseason if MAF didn't re-sign.

 

[Wabit]

Also curious to what the pick and prospect are

A pick and/or prospect would just be icing on the cake imo. Poolparty ($3m or less for next year) for Talbot (no retention) 1-for-1 would be okay with me.

I'm probably higher on Poolparty and lower on Talbot, so there is that grain of salt.

 

[Parax]

The unknown backup an option, but is it worth risking the season over? Lindgren is the cheap backup I've had in the back of my mind all offseason if MAF didn't re-sign.

And I think that would be a very good choice as well, I don't really have specific goalies in mind just suggesting the more unproven route for the cheapness and large availability.

I don't know if a more unproven backup really risks the season, or at least if it does then the season is probably in the tank anyway. A smart signing shouldn't be coming in unable to at least give semi-regular quality starts behind what is still a pretty good defensive team when I'm sure the backup would also be seeing some softer matchups.

If Fleury can give close to 60 starts and plays at a decent level I figure they should still be able to win at about a 100 point pace with him in net. If the backup can play to at least a .500 record that's probably good enough for the playoffs. The question might be if 38 year old Fleury is good for nearly 60 starts. He did 56 last season but the body ages in weird ways in the late 30s.

I also wouldn't mind if things don't work out, or while I don't hope it happens if a bad injury bug bit and the Wild end up selling this is a great year to do it with a few pending UFAs and a few coming up to UFA. Basically anyone not named Kaprizov, Ek, Boldy, or with a full NMC could be moved and make space for some upcoming prospects while overloading Brackett's ammo.

 

[Minnewildsota]

And I think that would be a very good choice as well, I don't really have specific goalies in mind just suggesting the more unproven route for the cheapness and large availability.

I don't know if a more unproven backup really risks the season, or at least if it does then the season is probably in the tank anyway. A smart signing shouldn't be coming in unable to at least give semi-regular quality starts behind what is still a pretty good defensive team when I'm sure the backup would also be seeing some softer matchups.

If Fleury can give close to 60 starts and plays at a decent level I figure they should still be able to win at about a 100 point pace with him in net. If the backup can play to at least a .500 record that's probably good enough for the playoffs. The question might be if 38 year old Fleury is good for nearly 60 starts. He did 56 last season but the body ages in weird ways in the late 30s.

I also wouldn't mind if things don't work out, or while I don't hope it happens if a bad injury bug bit and the Wild end up selling this is a great year to do it with a few pending UFAs and a few coming up to UFA. Basically anyone not named Kaprizov, Ek, Boldy, or with a full NMC could be moved and make space for some upcoming prospects while overloading Brackett's ammo.

And Brodin

 

[Parax]

And Brodin

He's in the full NMC group.

 

[Minnewildsota]

He's in the full NMC group.

I have no idea why I wasn’t able to read that line specifically

 

[DANOZ28]

all this talk about cleaning up the locker room and IF talbot says he wants out you don't trade him? how do you know he won't stand there and let beach balls fly by?

 

[IAHockey25]

Who said they are trying to walk all over Guerin? He doesn't seem good at this negotiation thing.

As someone mentioned here, why the hell is he giving fair deals to other GMs, but not any of his players? He's overpaying for his buddies (we'll see what Dumba's extension looks like), pissing off his young players and other players that don't seem to be in lock step with him and his vision.

Brodin contract- steal
KK contract- steal
Foligno contract- steal
Hartman contract- steal
Ek contract- steal

He is bad at this?

 

[Wabit]

And I think that would be a very good choice as well, I don't really have specific goalies in mind just suggesting the more unproven route for the cheapness and large availability.

I don't know if a more unproven backup really risks the season, or at least if it does then the season is probably in the tank anyway. A smart signing shouldn't be coming in unable to at least give semi-regular quality starts behind what is still a pretty good defensive team when I'm sure the backup would also be seeing some softer matchups.

If Fleury can give close to 60 starts and plays at a decent level I figure they should still be able to win at about a 100 point pace with him in net. If the backup can play to at least a .500 record that's probably good enough for the playoffs. The question might be if 38 year old Fleury is good for nearly 60 starts. He did 56 last season but the body ages in weird ways in the late 30s.

I also wouldn't mind if things don't work out, or while I don't hope it happens if a bad injury bug bit and the Wild end up selling this is a great year to do it with a few pending UFAs and a few coming up to UFA. Basically anyone not named Kaprizov, Ek, Boldy, or with a full NMC could be moved and make space for some upcoming prospects while overloading Brackett's ammo.

My concern is that with one injury and the backup becomes the starter. The Kemps/Backy and Dub/Stalock sunk (or almost) the season for good MN teams in years past.

 

[Wabit]

all this talk about cleaning up the locker room and IF talbot says he wants out you don't trade him? how do you know he won't stand there and let beach balls fly by?

So his normal play?

Talbot is in a contract year and old. If he has a trash season, intentional or not, he could be out of the league; like Dub is now.

 

[IAHockey25]

My concern is that with one injury and the backup becomes the starter. The Kemps/Backy and Dub/Stalock sunk (or almost) the season for good MN teams in years past.

Then you start trading off assets. Injures happen and derail seasons. Just part of it. Wild won't have depth until cap hits are over. Doesn't mean they can't cross their fingers and hope for health

 

[Wabit]

Then you start trading off assets. Injures happen and derail seasons. Just part of it. Wild won't have depth until cap hits are over. Doesn't mean they can't cross their fingers and hope for health

One player injured should derail any quality team.

The cap problem is a self inflicted wound. There also isn't much to sell off, the list basically begins and ends with Dumba.

 

[Al Lagoon]

Matt Dumba isn't the heart and soul of the team, but he comes pretty close.

 

[Wabit]

Matt Dumba isn't the heart and soul of the team, but he comes pretty close.

So he's the liver and R&B of the team?

 

[thestonedkoala]

Brodin contract- steal
KK contract- steal
Foligno contract- steal
Hartman contract- steal
Ek contract- steal

He is bad at this?

Brodin and Hartman were the only contracts that most fans were happy about but Hartman also took a deal because he was sick of moving. Many fans thought that Guerin overpaid for KK until he proved it, Foligno was a lot for a third liner and Ek as well. Middleton is a decent contract if you want to throw that in there as well.

Fleury, Goligoski, Greenway are all overpaid. Can't really say about Spurgeon as that was mostly done. Merrill is meh as well.

 

[Minnewildsota]

Brodin and Hartman were the only contracts that most fans were happy about but Hartman also took a deal because he was sick of moving. Many fans thought that Guerin overpaid for KK until he proved it, Foligno was a lot for a third liner and Ek as well. Middleton is a decent contract if you want to throw that in there as well.

Fleury, Goligoski, Greenway are all overpaid. Can't really say about Spurgeon as that was mostly done. Merrill is meh as well.

So, there’sa out of excuses Guerin shouldn’t be praised but it’s ok to blame him. Otherwise your narrative wouldn’t work. Got it

 

[thestonedkoala]

So, there’sa out of excuses Guerin shouldn’t be praised but it’s ok to blame him. Otherwise your narrative wouldn’t work. Got it

What?

Brodin and Hartman were good contracts. Middleton is fair. Talbot was also fair but Guerin decided to piss him off. Eriksson-Ek was questionable both for length and money. Fans did not like Foligno when he signed. KK was very risky but turned out good.

Greenway is overpaid. Goligoski is overpaid. Fleury is overpaid.

You could throw Gaudreau in there and we'll see how he does this season.

Guerin also couldn't make Fiala work. Couldn't keep Sturm as depth. Couldn't sign McBain or Meyers. At least he recouped on McBain

 

[Digitalbooya]

So Fiala, Sturm, Kaprizov, and now Talbot. You think that Greenway, Goligoski. Fleury are good deals?

He offered Sturm a great contract. He didn’t want to be here. Kaprizov was offered $8Mx8 years. Unheard of for guys with only 55 games played. Talbot’s agent is bitching because Fleury was brought back (who tf does this when there isn’t a “real” issue with Fleury and Talbot?) and thinks Talbot should get a nice extension. Talbot’s agent thinks he gets to dictate how things happen. In reality, he probably just ensured that his client won’t be back with Minnesota.

The only point you truly have is Fiala. His fate was sealed either way back in 2012.

 

[thestonedkoala]

He offered Sturm a great contract. He didn’t want to be here. Kaprizov was offered $8Mx8 years. Unheard of for guys with only 55 games played. Talbot’s agent is bitching because Fleury was brought back (who tf does this when there isn’t a “real” issue with Fleury and Talbot?) and thinks Talbot should get a nice extension. Talbot’s agent thinks he gets to dictate how things happen. In reality, he probably just ensured that his client won’t be back with Minnesota.

The only point you truly have is Fiala. His fate was sealed either way back in 2012.

He offered Sturm a good contract, but Sturm didn't want to be here - and for a good reason and Sturm was right. We'll see what his contract looks like when free agency hits. Sturm got his ring, got to be a part of something big. He also was a face off specialist (didn't do great in the playoffs, but didn't see a lot of chances) that Minnesota doesn't have.

Talbot's agent is doing what is best for his client. Given the crap that was pulled in the spring, I wouldn't be surprised if Talbot/agent isn't happy about his usage. More so, does anyone remember that Talbot had a minor injury that may have affected him this spring?

More so, it isn't just contracts that I was discussing.

 

[Minnewildsota]

He offered Sturm a good contract, but Sturm didn't want to be here - and for a good reason and Sturm was right. We'll see what his contract looks like when free agency hits. Sturm got his ring, got to be a part of something big. He also was a face off specialist (didn't do great in the playoffs, but didn't see a lot of chances) that Minnesota doesn't have.

Talbot's agent is doing what is best for his client. Given the crap that was pulled in the spring, I wouldn't be surprised if Talbot/agent isn't happy about his usage. More so, does anyone remember that Talbot had a minor injury that may have affected him this spring?

More so, it isn't just contracts that I was discussing.

What do you mean Sturm was correct? He was traded to the Avs and played less than he did here. He didn't sign the contract because:
1) he wanted more money
and/or
2) He wanted more playing time.

I don't know how you can look at that situation and say "Sturm is in the right here", other than synonymous message would be "Guerin is wrong"

 

[DeagleJenkins]

He offered Sturm a good contract, but Sturm didn't want to be here - and for a good reason and Sturm was right. We'll see what his contract looks like when free agency hits. Sturm got his ring, got to be a part of something big. He also was a face off specialist (didn't do great in the playoffs, but didn't see a lot of chances) that Minnesota doesn't have.

Talbot's agent is doing what is best for his client. Given the crap that was pulled in the spring, I wouldn't be surprised if Talbot/agent isn't happy about his usage. More so, does anyone remember that Talbot had a minor injury that may have affected him this spring?

More so, it isn't just contracts that I was discussing.

Sturm is only right in that he is allowed to bet on himself. he turned down right about the best contract offer he will get because he didnt like the way he will be used. in no way shape or form is that a "BG sucks at his job" moment. Talbot/Fleury situation can be debated plenty as there is a ton of speculation about promised playing time from BG n what not but nothing has been confirmed and obviously the more we speculate the worse one side or the other can look.

BG has been average, made some good signings and some bad ones. I dont love or hate him and his moves, sometimes I wish he would try harder to win trades but at the same time I understand the thought process of not wanting to build a reputation of only being a willing trade partner if I get the better end of the deal.

 

[57special]

Talbot's agent is doing his job. GMBG is doing his job. Neither of them is in the wrong for their comments.

If MN does trade Talbot they will need to replace somehow replace him in the lineup. Betting that Wallstedt or Jones can be a the backup for the full season would be a really big gamble.

It would probably be McIntyre if they are promoting from within. Jones is not even close to ready. We all know Wallstedt is talented, but throwing him into the NHL would be premature.